SteveB
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I'm OK with anyone's tiredness with the Bible.I'm tired of encountering your onslaught of copy/pasted verses from scripture, all of which express my very beliefs and do not contradict my universalist beliefs in the slightest.
No Bible, no basis for dispute.
If the Bible didn't exist, we'd have no way of knowing what God did for us through Jesus Christ.
So, if you're really looking to dismiss me, you can.
i wasn't looking for your permission to be right.
And?Let's concentrate on one verse. I Tim 4:10 Explain it:
"He is the Savior of all men, especially those who believe."
Explain revelation 20:14-15, and 21:8.
Rev 20:14-15 WEB 14 Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15 If anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.
Rev 21:8 WEB But for the cowardly, unbelieving, sinners, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their part is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”
If all men are saved, then why are they going to spend their eternity in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur for all eternity?
Why did Jesus say
Mat 7:13-14 WEB 13 “Enter in by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter in by it. 14 How narrow is the gate and the way is restricted that leads to life! There are few who find it.
Luk 13:24 WEB “Strive to enter in by the narrow door, for many, I tell you, will seek to enter in and will not be able.
why does he say- strive to enter in by the narrow door?
why would he make such statements if all men are saved?
why would John be told
Rev 14:9-11 WEB 9 Another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a great voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is prepared unmixed in the cup of his anger. He will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 The smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever. They have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.
are you saying that the angel lied to John?
yeah. I can indeed appreciate your being tired of encountering all the truth from the bible.
no bible, no truth, no truth, no argument that there is an eternal conscious torment because of people who refuse to turn to YHVH from their sin and place their trust in Jesus.