Hebrews and the Law

Him

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Hebrews seems to be the root of confusion for many. Let’s center ourselves for a bit shall we?
Some think that the law of God has changed according to Hebrews 7:12 and they are right. But is it the 10 Commandments, The book of the law, both, or only in part of one or the other? Let’s take a look shall we? In Doing so we shall see that it was the law pertaining to who was to be priest that changed and their ministry according to chapters 7,8,9-10 and 13

So let’s start in verse 11 chapter 7 to establish the context. It says the law maketh man High priest, Jesus the son of God was made high priest according to promise, the word of oath. Verses 12 through 14 go on to say since now the priesthood has been changed, the law pertaining to who can be priest has changed because it is evident that Jesus Christ our Lord was not from the tribe of Levi but Judah whom were not given attendance to the altar. The ministry in and of the sanctuary. For perfection came not from the Levitical priesthood but from Him who is of endless life. It is He that can save us who come to God through him because he forever lives to make intercession over us Secour us when we are tempted, graciously immersed fully helping us in our time of need.

Let’s continue into chapter 9 shall we. So now Jesus Christ our high priest at the right hand of the throne of God in heavenly places, minister of the true sanctuary in Tabernacle Pitched by God not man serves. Not according to the pattern of heavenly things offering and gifts and sacrifices according to the law, verse 9:1; the ordinances of divine service thus ordained. For the priest went into the first tabernacle, according to the service of God verse 9:7 through 10. But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood would he offer for himself, and for the sins of the people. The Holy Ghost this signifying that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing; which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, they cannot make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; which stood only in meats and drinks and diver washings and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation which is and was through Jesus Christ. So there is no more need for those ordinances of divine service, those laws have changed. Verse 10:1 for the law having a shadow of good things to come and not a very image of things can never with those sacrifices which they offered year-by-year continually make the Comers there unto perfect. For would they not have ceased. But it is not possible that the blood balls and goats should take away sins.

Let’s bring this home shall we? In closing chapter 13 and 9 says, Don’t be carried about with divers doctrines for is a good thing that a heart to be established with Grace and not with meats, the body’s of beast whose blood was brought into the sanctuary for sin. But be carried unto Jesus who suffer for the sins of the people that he may sanctify us with his own blood. For the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of heifer never took away sin. For there was a remembrance of sin every year. 10:3 But Jesus Christ once appeared to put away sin.9:26 Who through the eternal spirit offered himself without spot to God, shall purge your conscience who you are, the man of sin from dead works, sin. That which causes death. So you can serve the living God. There by making us perfect in every good work to do his will, working in us that which is well pleasing in his sight. Serving the living God through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory forever amen.

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Him

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Hebrews 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?”

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Hebrews 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

Hebrews 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
Hebrews 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Hebrews 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.
Hebrews 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Hebrews 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
Hebrews 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Hebrews 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
Hebrews 8:2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
Hebrews 8:3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
Hebrews 8:4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
Hebrews 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.
Hebrews 9:1 Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.
Hebrews 9:6 Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God.
 

Him

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Hebrews 9:7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
Hebrews 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
Hebrews 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
Hebrews 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Hebrews 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Hebrews 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Hebrews 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Hebrews 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Hebrews 13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
Hebrews 13:10 We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.
Hebrews 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Hebrews 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
 

Gary Mac

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Hebrews 9:7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
Hebrews 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:
Hebrews 9:9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
Hebrews 9:10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
Hebrews 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
Hebrews 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Hebrews 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Hebrews 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Hebrews 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Hebrews 9:13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
Hebrews 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.
Hebrews 13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
Hebrews 13:10 We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.
Hebrews 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Hebrews 13:21 Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
Paul made his own rules for Christ from his own perspective just as all do who is not like Jesus was who get our information from God Himself. Paul doesn’t teach to hear God themselves he teaches hear me follow me and even used trickery to get people to believe him.

Jesus taught a different tactic. Receive from God the very same as he received from God and be perfect as He is.

Jesus has the better teachings than Paul did. Paul had to many opinions.
 

Him

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Paul made his own rules for Christ from his own perspective just as all do who is not like Jesus was who get our information from God Himself. Paul doesn’t teach to hear God themselves he teaches hear me follow me and even used trickery to get people to believe him.

Jesus taught a different tactic. Receive from God the very same as he received from God and be perfect as He is.

Jesus has the better teachings than Paul did. Paul had to many opinions.
No Paul did not that is heresy. Christ through Paul shared what God deemed for us to understand.
 

Gary Mac

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No Paul did not that is heresy. Christ through Paul shared what God deemed for us to understand.
It is heresy for the religious minds who are different from that what Jesus was in the Father. Jesus was supreme heretic for religious minds and look how he was treated for that same heresy of let God be in you as He was in him.

That is why it is heresy for you that Paul has the better way than Jesus Has.

Jesus was very clear -- Be as I Am. Paul was very clear in be as he was.
 

HealTheLand

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It is heresy for the religious minds who are different from that what Jesus was in the Father. Jesus was supreme heretic for religious minds and look how he was treated for that same heresy of let God be in you as He was in him.

because it takes a certain way of thinking about it. and not getting lost in manmade doctrines that oppose what could be real truth (from God).
 

Gary Mac

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because it takes a certain way of thinking about it. and not getting lost in manmade doctrines that oppose what could be real truth (from God).
Exactly. If one is of a carnal mind then they think in terms for flesh, but if one is of God and He has anointed you by His Spirit as He did in Jesus and opened the Spiritual mind, BTW is the only One who can even in Jesus in Matt 3:167, then one thinks in His terms just as Jesus did no different at all.

If one is different from the person Jesus was in the Father then one doesn't follow Jesus to that new mind at all in which Jesus described as born again. And when one really does see Him as He is and is born of His Spirit, born again, ye shall be like Him. 1John 3.

The carnal mind in its religious mode make sup his own rules for a god and most of these worship flesh as a god, a man as a god not knowing the true One of Spirit at all.
 

Newbirth

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Paul made his own rules for Christ from his own perspective just as all do who is not like Jesus was who get our information from God Himself. Paul doesn’t teach to hear God themselves he teaches hear me follow me and even used trickery to get people to believe him.

Jesus taught a different tactic. Receive from God the very same as he received from God and be perfect as He is.

Jesus has the better teachings than Paul did. Paul had to many opinions.
You are funny Gary...Jesus trusted Paul to the point where his epistles are what believers use as doctrine. Apart from Paul, we have Matt 1 gospel (author unknown) Mark 1 gospel (author unknown) Luke 1 Gospel an Acts , John 1 gospel, 3 epistles and Rev, Peter 2 epistles, James 1 epistle Jude 1 epistle.
Yet you say you believe Jesus...Please show us the gospel or epistle Jesus wrote... Your position is akin to a Jew saying Moses made his own rules for God from his own perspective just as all do who is not like God was who get our information from God Himself. Moses doesn’t teach to hear God themselves he teaches hear me follow me and even used trickery to get people to believe him.
 

Gary Mac

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You are funny Gary...Jesus trusted Paul to the point where his epistles are what believers use as doctrine. Apart from Paul, we have Matt 1 gospel (author unknown) Mark 1 gospel (author unknown) Luke 1 Gospel an Acts , John 1 gospel, 3 epistles and Rev, Peter 2 epistles, James 1 epistle Jude 1 epistle.
Yet you say you believe Jesus...Please show us the gospel or epistle Jesus wrote... Your position is akin to a Jew saying Moses made his own rules for God from his own perspective just as all do who is not like God was who get our information from God Himself. Moses doesn’t teach to hear God themselves he teaches hear me follow me and even used trickery to get people to believe him.
Jesus didn't know Paul. And all Matt, Mark, Luke and John did was quote what Jesus said of himself, his God, and who you should be in Him as he was in Him. See John 17.

Jesus is the way, not Paul, not Matt, Not Mark, Luke or John, Jesus is the way to the Father and once you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him just as Jesus was like Him. Paul had conflicting laws of Jesus that he made.
 

Newbirth

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Jesus didn't know Paul.
Then Jesus does not know you.
And all Matt, Mark, Luke and John did was quote what Jesus said of himself, his God, and who you should be in Him as he was in Him. See John 17.
How do you know that? Did Jesus personally tell you that? If so when and where?
Jesus is the way, not Paul, not Matt, Not Mark, Luke or John,
Are they not followers of Jesus...? Jesus taught them and they are teaching us... You cannot follow Jesus without following them.
Jesus is the way to the Father and once you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him just as Jesus was like Him.
So how can you claim to follow Jesus without following those whom he first taught? Did Jesus leave you his personal journal?
Paul had conflicting laws of Jesus that he made.
That is your personal baseless claim. You have no journal from Jesus to prove your claim.
 
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Yet you say you believe Jesus...Please show us the gospel or epistle Jesus wrote... Your position is akin to a Jew saying Moses made his own rules for God from his own perspective just as all do who is not like God was who get our information from God Himself. Moses doesn’t teach to hear God themselves he teaches hear me follow me and even used trickery to get people to believe him.

one of the things that Moses taught was to love our neighbor as ourselves, and the Ten Commandments. if a person begins to try to love their neighbor (and themselves) and to do what is right or try to (the Ten Commandments), then they begin to learn of the Spirit - and the Spirit reveals countless things to the one in whom is not as much sin (seeking God). so one can only imagine just how much would be/ could be revealed to the one who overcame (with however much work and or prayer or time it took to) - all - of the sin in their life .......... and just followed God after that.
 
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Newbirth

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one of the things that Moses taught was to love our neighbor as ourselves, and the Ten Commandments. if a person begins to try to love their neighbor (and themselves) and to do what is right or try to (the Ten Commandments), then they begin to learn of the Spirit
Are you teaching another gospel? God seals those who believe with the Holy Spirit, the believers then follow the spirit...
- and the Spirit reveals countless things to the one in whom is not as much sin (seeking God).
???? where is that written in the scripture? Are you just making up things here?
so one can only imagine just how much would be/ could be revealed to the one who overcame (with however much work and or prayer or time it took to) - all - of the sin in their life ..................... and just followed God after that.
seriously??? Have you not heard of the remission of sins? Or do you not know what it means?
 

Gary Mac

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Then Jesus does not know you.
You are correct he has been gone for over 2000 years. But God who is my Father has always been here and knows me well and I know Him well just as Jesus knew his Father well. He in me and I in Him really are open. See Jesus prayer to his God that his God be in me and I in Him as one as he was one in Him. You can read that in John 17, but then you would have to believe Jesus in his prayer to his God for his prayer were answered in me. He hasn't answered Jesus prayer that you be has He?
How do you know that? Did Jesus personally tell you that? If so when and where?
Well all I had to do is read what they quoted of Jesus LOL.
Are they not followers of Jesus...? Jesus taught them and they are teaching us... You cannot follow Jesus without following them.
Actually they didn't follow Jesus. Every single one of his disciples flat out denied to be identified with him in his trials and tribulations now didn't they? He was a man alone. And Jesus prayed to his God My God My God why has these forsaken me. You can read that to. And you can also read where God Himself came to these and open up His heaven to them in an upper room just as Jesus received from Him in Matt 3:16. You haven't received the same from God have you and th reason you are arguing with Jesus about what he said.
So how can you claim to follow Jesus without following those whom he first taught? Did Jesus leave you his personal journal?
Easy, the same way Abraham knew God by His Spirit, the same way Moses knew God by His Spirit, the same way Mary knew God by His Spirit, same way Jesus knew God by His Spirit, see Matt 3:16, same way 120 knew God by His Spirit.

Again that is foreign to your understanding isn't it by your comments who doesn't know how these came to know God Himself?
That is your personal baseless claim. You have no journal from Jesus to prove your claim.
Jesus didn't either all he had was his actions in real time where he obeyed God and God sent him to show you what it is to be in the father yourself, just as He sends us all who has from Him that what Jesus and these others received from God.

The way of Jesus is Christ, which means to be anointed of God. It is Gods will that we all be anointed of Him which is Christ in us, but most as yourself don't see yourself as that person of Christ you see yourself as a person that is advocate to a creed with laws formed by man and not by God at all.

Beware of anyone who can separate you from having from God that what Jesus had from Him, they will lead you to their creeds and there are a whole lot of gullible people who cant relate to Jesus but can relate to laws established to govern a belief.

Beliefs are not real they are speculation, the manifestation of God is real but then you would have to exercise faith in order for Him to be manifest, come to life in you as He did in Jesus.

You are not the way, I am not the way,Christ is the only way which is you to be Gods anointed one just as Jesus was His anointed one. Christ in you would be Gods anointing in you. Have His same mind, which is His Spirit and walk in it as He walks in it. Worked for me and it worked for Jesus as well.
 

Gary Mac

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one of the things that Moses taught was to love our neighbor as ourselves, and the Ten Commandments. if a person begins to try to love their neighbor (and themselves) and to do what is right or try to (the Ten Commandments), then they begin to learn of the Spirit - and the Spirit reveals countless things to the one in whom is not as much sin (seeking God). so one can only imagine just how much would be/ could be revealed to the one who overcame (with however much work and or prayer or time it took to) - all - of the sin in their life .......... and just followed God after that.
For many years I tried to love my neighbors as the laws Moses came up with. But failed miserably, some of them were pretty hard to love. But once I received Gods as my own mind, BTW which is Love, Holy Love, or Holy Spirit as the book calls it, Loving others wasn't an effort but understanding what is in man. When I saw God as He really is and became like Him as is instructed in 1 John 3, then Loving others became a non issue, it is an automatic, it is who I AM. Not many know what I AM means. I am that I am because of He who is in me. You cant help but love them if you actually have been born of God, born again, to have His same mind. And in that I cannot sin because I am born of Gods Love. 1 John 3:9.

Jesus disciples tried to follow him and be like him but they also failed miserably, Every one of them denied him to be identified with him in his trials and tribulations, only when God Himself came to them in an upper room and opened up who He really is just as He did in Jesus in Matt 3:16 did any of these become like Jesus with the same signs following them who followed Jesus, Moses, Abraham, and Adam. Adam was the first to become like God to know these differences, Gen 3:22, not Jesus.
 

Gary Mac

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Are you teaching another gospel? God seals those who believe with the Holy Spirit, the believers then follow the spirit...
He does seal us with His SPirir just as He sealed Jesus and these others you read of with His Spirit. We are exactly like Him no different at all. We are sealed up when we see Him as He really is because we become like Him. But most don't believe 1 John 3 that when you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him. There is a HUGE differences in believing a doctrine and actually being like the Father of it as He demands of you.
???? where is that written in the scripture? Are you just making up things here?
Seek ye first the kingdom of God, in which most don't and seek laws they form to govern a belief about a god, and His righteousness and all the things that was added to Jesus and these others will be added to you. But who is going to seek Him first that you may be His righteousness and walk as He walks in it? You? It is pretty obvious that you read a bible and it is very obvious that you pick and choose what you think according to your own understanding and not His understanding as your own mind, Spirit.
seriously??? Have you not heard of the remission of sins? Or do you not know what it means?
Do you? Remission of sin is not forgiveness of sin. He takes away the sins of this world. We in Christ are not in remission of sin, we no longer can participate in sin.

See 1 John 3:9. We who are born of God it is IMPOSSIBLE to be in sin, cannot sin because we are born of God. We don't try and follow the law and not sin, we cant sin at all!. And this is why I follow Jesus way instead of others ways. To be righteous, holy, pure and without sin, perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect isn't an effort at all, it is who we are, it is who I Am. .
 

Newbirth

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You are correct he has been gone for over 2000 years. But God who is my Father has always been here and knows me well and I know Him well just as Jesus knew his Father well. He in me and I in Him really are open. See Jesus prayer to his God that his God be in me and I in Him as one as he was one in Him. You can read that in John 17, but then you would have to believe Jesus in his prayer to his God for his prayer were answered in me. He hasn't answered Jesus prayer that you be has He?
Well Here is John quoting Jesus...You have rejected all who Jesus sent...therefore you have rejected Jesus
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Well all I had to do is read what they quoted of Jesus LOL.
But you rejected them all.
Actually they didn't follow Jesus. Every single one of his disciples flat out denied to be identified with him in his trials and tribulations now didn't they?
There you go again, you are rejecting those whom Jesus sent...
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
He was a man alone.
No, he was not...
John 8:16
And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
And Jesus prayed to his God My God My God why has these forsaken me. You can read that to. And you can also read where God Himself came to these and open up His heaven to them in an upper room just as Jesus received from Him in Matt 3:16. You haven't received the same from God have you and th reason you are arguing with Jesus about what he said.
I believe what the apostles wrote ...You reject the apostles but you quote what they wrote, that is double standards...
Easy, the same way Abraham knew God by His Spirit, the same way Moses knew God by His Spirit, the same way Mary knew God by His Spirit, same way Jesus knew God by His Spirit, see Matt 3:16, same way 120 knew God by His Spirit.
That is not easy, you reject those who Jesus sent...So why do you accept the words they wrote..?
Again that is foreign to your understanding isn't it by your comments who doesn't know how these came to know God Himself?
Of it is foreign , it is not written in the scripture... You are making your own way to God,it is not the way Jesus prescribed...
Jesus didn't either all he had was his actions in real time where he obeyed God and God sent him to show you what it is to be in the father yourself, just as He sends us all who has from Him that what Jesus and these others received from God.
You are claiming god sent you but you reject Jesus and those whom he sent therefore you have rejected God...
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
The way of Jesus is Christ, which means to be anointed of God. It is Gods will that we all be anointed of Him which is Christ in us, but most as yourself don't see yourself as that person of Christ you see yourself as a person that is advocate to a creed with laws formed by man and not by God at all.
Why do you keep pretending that you follow God when you actually reject him...
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Beware of anyone who can separate you from having from God that what Jesus had from Him, they will lead you to their creeds and there are a whole lot of gullible people who cant relate to Jesus but can relate to laws established to govern a belief.

Beliefs are not real they are speculation, the manifestation of God is real but then you would have to exercise faith in order for Him to be manifest, come to life in you as He did in Jesus.

You are not the way, I am not the way,Christ is the only way which is you to be Gods anointed one just as Jesus was His anointed one. Christ in you would be Gods anointing in you. Have His same mind, which is His Spirit and walk in it as He walks in it. Worked for me and it worked for Jesus as well.
Yet you have rejected him by rejecting those he sent...
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
 

Newbirth

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He does seal us with His SPirir just as He sealed Jesus and these others you read of with His Spirit. We are exactly like Him no different at all. We are sealed up when we see Him as He really is because we become like Him. But most don't believe 1 John 3 that when you see Him as He is ye shall be like Him. There is a HUGE differences in believing a doctrine and actually being like the Father of it as He demands of you.
Gary, you have rejected God since you reject Paul and the other apostles...
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Seek ye first the kingdom of God, in which most don't and seek laws they form to govern a belief about a god, and His righteousness and all the things that was added to Jesus and these others will be added to you. But who is going to seek Him first that you may be His righteousness and walk as He walks in it? You? It is pretty obvious that you read a bible and it is very obvious that you pick and choose what you think according to your own understanding and not His understanding as your own mind, Spirit.
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Do you? Remission of sin is not forgiveness of sin. He takes away the sins of this world. We in Christ are not in remission of sin, we no longer can participate in sin.
Are you serious? not only do you reject God but you are claiming that sins are not forgiven...
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
See 1 John 3:9. We who are born of God it is IMPOSSIBLE to be in sin, cannot sin because we are born of God. We don't try and follow the law and not sin, we cant sin at all!. And this is why I follow Jesus way instead of others ways. To be righteous, holy, pure and without sin, perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect isn't an effort at all, it is who we are, it is who I Am. .
Because you have rejected God you have received a reprobate mind...let this be a warning to those who can understand the scripture...
Romans 1:28
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
 

HealTheLand

Active member
Easy, the same way Abraham knew God by His Spirit, the same way Moses knew God by His Spirit, the same way Mary knew God by His Spirit, same way Jesus knew God by His Spirit, see Matt 3:16, same way 120 knew God by His Spirit.

That is not easy, you reject those who Jesus sent...So why do you accept the words they wrote..?

It will not be easy if we do not listen to the many things that the Spirit speaks through the Words of God in the Bible (or elsewhere... to You or Any reading this - if you can hear or ever have) and learn From Them.

For if we will not listen to what the Spirit says in the Bible or to Ourselves - but instead believe what we want, how can it be easy to Learn Truth..??
 

Him

Member
It is heresy for the religious minds who are different from that what Jesus was in the Father. Jesus was supreme heretic for religious minds and look how he was treated for that same heresy of let God be in you as He was in him.

That is why it is heresy for you that Paul has the better way than Jesus Has.

Jesus was very clear -- Be as I Am. Paul was very clear in be as he was.
It is heresy for the religious minds who are different from that what Jesus was in the Father. Jesus was supreme heretic for religious minds and look how he was treated for that same heresy of let God be in you as He was in him.

That is why it is heresy for you that Paul has the better way than Jesus Has.

Jesus was very clear -- Be as I Am. Paul was very clear in be as he was.
Jesus spoke through Paul. Just because you don’t understand Jesus is why you don’t like what you think Paul wrote
 
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