Hebrews and the Law

[Gary Mac]

Well Here is John quoting Jesus...You have rejected all who Jesus sent...therefore you have rejected Jesus
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

That is what I keep telling you guys. Not very many receive him to be like the One who sent Jesus. But when you do see Him as He is, if one ever receives him, ye shall be like Him to. 1 John 3.

But you rejected them all.

Oh no some of them were identified with Christ just as Jesus was identified with Christ, Gods anointing, Christ in me just as Jesus was identified by the same anointing. Identification is by the same Spirit who was in Christ Jesus. but some such as Paul was identified by his own doctrine.

There you go again, you are rejecting those whom Jesus sent...
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Amen and He sent me the very same for I have the same Spirit of God Jesus had from God. Which simply is Love. God is Love but most of you haven't heard.

No, he was not...
John 8:16
And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

Me to.

I believe what the apostles wrote ...You reject the apostles but you quote what they wrote, that is double standards...

Na, by identification with what they wrote Jesus said it isn't hard to be identified with the Father as he was identified with Him.

That is not easy, you reject those who Jesus sent...So why do you accept the words they wrote..?

I don't reject what his disciples wrote at all. I live them as we are supposed to live them just as these did.

Of it is foreign , it is not written in the scripture... You are making your own way to God,it is not the way Jesus prescribed...

I am making up that God sent Jesus to show me the way to Him? Humm, now Im getting the picture, you have a different god from the One who did send Jesus to lead you to the same father he had.

You are claiming god sent you but you reject Jesus and those whom he sent therefore you have rejected God...
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

You don't get it at all. God sent Jesus to show me the way to the Father that I may inherit the promise of He will come to you to and sup with you and be in you as well if you will follow Jesus to the Father. He kept His promise to me. He hasn't kept that promise to you have He?

Why do you keep pretending that you follow God when you actually reject him...
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Pretension would be anything short of what Jesus was in the Father then say you are of Christ.

Yet you have rejected him by rejecting those he sent...
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Oh No, not at all, He sent me just as He sands all who will receive Him as Jesus and Adam, and Abraham, and Moses and 120 did. All of these became like Him as well.

You have separated yourself from Him and His ways in favor of your own understanding from a religious mind instead of a spiritual mind.

You are as the religious minds that comes to me with the demand that I believe this and believe that as you do.

The spiritual minded comes to me with the demand that I square my life with the standards of Jesus.

It isn't I who rejects Him to be like Him my friend. You just cant relate to the same as Jesus had in the Father from lack in receive the One who sent him to lead you to the Father is all.

Dont condemn me for your own iniquities.

 

[Gary Mac]

Jesus spoke through Paul. Just because you don’t understand Jesus is why you don’t like what you think Paul wrote

I see, so Paul is the better way for you than Jesus, that is very clear. Paul taught that you are just a dirty ole sinner, Jesus taught me that I am the righteousness of God by the same Spirit in me that God is who was in Christ Jesus. Holy, pure, and without sin. And sense you follow Paul as a sinner instead of Jesus who was without sin and teaches people how to be without sin -- I would assume that you are a sinner and not the righteousness of God in Christ, right?

 

[Gary Mac]

Jesus spoke through Paul. Just because you don’t understand Jesus is why you don’t like what you think Paul wrote

Well if you will stop and think for yourself instead of what some religious minds has programmed you to believe and compare the one who was a sinner with the one who was without sin, you just might find a few descrempices yourself. But then you would have to have the gumption to investigate and compare the differences, but you won't will you? Women keep silent, women don't cut your hair, men cut your hair. To Paul that was sin but to Jesus it is just noise.

All who has from God that what Jesus had from Him are no different from Him at all, but I am different from Paul, so was Jesus. I am as Jesus was in the Father by the same Spirit in me who was in Christ Jesus.

What a novel idea that is -- don't ya think ???

BTW -- Jesus didn't speak through anyone, it is Gods Spirit who speaks through man who has His same mind and walk in the deity of the Christ as we are supposed to. God spoke through Jesus just as He spoke through Abraham, Moses, 120 and especially Jesus His example for us to follow and be like. Not many actually follow the way of Christ to be like Him as Jesus was like Him do they? You don't understand that statement do you?

Jesus was only teacher of the way to the Father. Most don't like Jesus teachings though they say they follow Christ, for it makes people accountable for what Jesus commands of you that you be as the Father of it, and when they are not like the Father that Jesus leads us to as they are supposed to be like Him, perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect, same walk as He, same mind as He, same everything that God is for I am in His same image just as Jesus was. You are not in His same image as Jesus was, Moses was, 120 was are you?

 

[Newbirth]

It will not be easy if we do not listen to the many things that the Spirit speaks through the Words of God in the Bible (or elsewhere... to You or Any reading this - if you can hear or ever have) and learn From Them.

For if we will not listen to what the Spirit says in the Bible or to Ourselves - but instead believe what we want, how can it be easy to Learn Truth..??

You believe what you want don't you? You have already posted things that are not in the scripture... these are your words ....if a person begins to try to love their neighbor (and themselves) and to do what is right or try to (the Ten Commandments), then they begin to learn of the Spirit.
can you quote that from the scripture?

 

[Newbirth]

That is what I keep telling you guys. Not very many receive him to be like the One who sent Jesus. But when you do see Him as He is, if one ever receives him, ye shall be like Him to. 1 John 3.

Nope you are telling people to reject Paul. By doing so you reject Jesus...

Oh no some of them were identified with Christ just as Jesus was identified with Christ, Gods anointing, Christ in me just as Jesus was identified by the same anointing. Identification is by the same Spirit who was in Christ Jesus. but some such as Paul was identified by his own doctrine.

Babbling... Jesus is the Christ...

Amen and He sent me the very same for I have the same Spirit of God Jesus had from God. Which simply is Love. God is Love but most of you haven't heard.

Who sent you? The scripture says Jesus sent Paul but you teach people to reject Paul therefore you reject jesus...

Me to.

Now you are claiming the father sent you.

Na, by identification with what they wrote Jesus said it isn't hard to be identified with the Father as he was identified with Him.

You just rejected them all. So you can't be claiming their words...that is hypocricy.

I don't reject what his disciples wrote at all.

You reject them therefore you reject what they wrote, you can't be that silly.

I live them as we are supposed to live them just as these did.

So you live by what you reject? You probably walk on your stool.

I am making up that God sent Jesus to show me the way to Him?

Well, you reject the people who wrote about it...that means you are making up your own gospel.

Humm, now Im getting the picture, you have a different god from the One who did send Jesus to lead you to the same father he had.

Nope, you missed the point, you can't have the same Jesus as those you reject...And you reject those who wrote the gospels. That means you are the one with a different God and a different jesus.

You don't get it at all. God sent Jesus to show me the way to the Father that I may inherit the promise of He will come to you to and sup with you and be in you as well if you will follow Jesus to the Father. He kept His promise to me. He hasn't kept that promise to you have He?

You don't seem to get that it was the apostles who brought the message, the same apostles that you rejected...

Pretension would be anything short of what Jesus was in the Father then say you are of Christ.

Then you are pretending...

Oh No, not at all, He sent me just as He sands all who will receive Him as Jesus and Adam, and Abraham, and Moses and 120 did. All of these became like Him as well.

You have to say when and where he sent you...because you reject the apostles he sent and put yourself in their place..

You have separated yourself from Him and His ways in favor of your own understanding from a religious mind instead of a spiritual mind.

I am not the one rejecting the apostles he sent, you are rejecting the apostles.

You are as the religious minds that comes to me with the demand that I believe this and believe that as you do.

Nope, I don't demand anything from you. You rejected the apostles, you claim that God sent you.

The spiritual minded comes to me with the demand that I square my life with the standards of Jesus.

No spiritual person from God would demand anything of you...you must be referring to the demon spirit.

It isn't I who rejects Him to be like Him my friend.

When you reject the apostles he sent you also reject him...I have shown you the scripture...

You just cant relate to the same as Jesus had in the Father from lack in receive the One who sent him to lead you to the Father is all.

I can't relate to your senseless babbling.

Dont condemn me for your own iniquities.

You have already condemned yourself by rejecting Jesus.

 

[HealTheLand]

Jesus disciples tried to follow him and be like him but they also failed miserably, Every one of them denied him to be identified with him in his trials and tribulations, only when God Himself came to them in an upper room and opened up who He really is just as He did in Jesus in Matt 3:16 did any of these become like Jesus with the same signs following them who followed Jesus, Moses, Abraham, and Adam. Adam was the first to become like God to know these differences, Gen 3:22, not Jesus.

i did not know that they became, or in Gen 3:22 as it says "has become like one of us". if one of us, why not let them eat from the tree of life so that... if like "one of us" ... were they not already like? maybe there are stages? perhaps if you were to explain to some how (generally speaking) you came to have the mind of Christ (at present), they might begin to see the process.

though believing is of course another matter. but to just become - might seem difficult, especially if a person has never even considered what is possible.

 

[Gary Mac]

It will not be easy if we do not listen to the many things that the Spirit speaks through the Words of God in the Bible (or elsewhere... to You or Any reading this - if you can hear or ever have) and learn From Them.

For if we will not listen to what the Spirit says in the Bible or to Ourselves - but instead believe what we want, how can it be easy to Learn Truth..??

Most cannot see the spiritual connotation in scripture because they cling to mans interpretations from religious minds instead.

 

[Gary Mac]

You believe what you want don't you?

Actually beliefs are not real, they are speculation. As yourself you can believe anything about a god as you do but it is another matter for God Himself to manifest Himself in you that He may guide you instead of these beliefs systems designed to hold people in a pew for enterprise.

You have already posted things that are not in the scripture... these are your words ....if a person begins to try to love their neighbor (and themselves) and to do what is right or try to (the Ten Commandments), then they begin to learn of the Spirit.
can you quote that from the scripture?

We don't learn of Spirit we inherit His Spirit as our own mind. The teachings that you have learned from is from mans opinions and not by God Himself teach you. You cant know that difference until you let God come to you and be in you, even Adam learned this difference, Gen 3:22, something you should consider from God Himself, you cant know that difference if you only know what scripture says and don't live it yourself as Jesus did and got his information from God Himself.

Jesus said that in that day ye shall ask me noting but go to the Father for yourself and He will give it you. You should at least consider what Jesus teaches. But you won't will you?

 

[Gary Mac]

Nope you are telling people to reject Paul. By doing so you reject Jesus...

In that it is obvious that Paul is your way and Jesus isn't. Paul is your god and I do understand that because you can relate to Paul as a sinner but you cant relate to Jesus and be without sin.

Babbling... Jesus is the Christ...

That is what I have been trying to convey to you. Jesus was anointed of God. Gids anointing is the Christ, Christ in me is Gods anointing in me no different from the anointing Jesus had from God. The problem is you do not know what it is to be of Christ, that is why you see Christ as a man and not the disposition of the man who is anointed of God.

If you can seek from God the same anointing Jesus received from God and you can be of Christ as well -- Gods anointed, but you are not anointed of God you are anointed by man made creed.

Who sent you? The scripture says Jesus sent Paul but you teach people to reject Paul therefore you reject jesus...

God sends us all who is like Him.
And scripture does say Jesus sent Paul, guess who wrote that? It wasn't Jesus.

Now you are claiming the father sent you.

He sends all who has from Him that what Jesus had from Him. And by your comment that is foreign to your understanding and you don't even know why it is foreign to your understanding.

And it is very obvious that He doesn't send you nor anyone else who is different from Him.

You just rejected them all. So you can't be claiming their words...that is hypocricy.

Oh no, they quoted what Jesu said and I incorporated what Jesus said I should be in my own life. To reject them would not be like the Father as was quoted by Jesus.

Hypocrisy is to say you follow the way of Christ yet flat out deny to be Gods anointed yourself as He demands of you by the same Spirit be in you who was in Christ Jesus. You don't have a clue what it is to walk as He walks in His same light from lack of being His anointed.

You reject them therefore you reject what they wrote, you can't be that silly.

You are correct, silliness would be for me not to receive from God that what these did as they came to lead me to. Hey they worked for me.

So you live by what you reject? You probably walk on your stool.

Yes Jesus walked on that same stool that you see God is I agree and look how he was treated for walking on that stool.

To you the way of Christ to be like Him and have His same mind and walk in it as He walks in it is dung for you. I totally agree with you in that. But for me it is the power of God at work in me, same power of God who was at work in Jesus. The one you have never encountered yourself and make up your own gods that the way of Christ is just stool walking for you.

Well, you reject the people who wrote about it...that means you are making up your own gospel.

Oh heck no, the ones who quoted Jesus were spot on. How do I know? Because the same Spirit who was in Christ Jesus is in me. It is by identification with the Father of it, something you should try and identify with in yourself.

I don't reject his disciples at all -- Luke when he quoted Jesus in 17:20-21 was spot on, so was John when he quoted Jesus in John 17 that I be one in the Father as Jesus was one in Him that you reject from Luke. And I don't reject Matt 5:48 at all for I live it as it is commanded of me by Jesus himself to be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect as it seems that you do reject to be perfect yourself.
And I do not reject John in 16:23, for I did as he said and went straight to the Father for His information, that way I don't have to depend on Jesus for information as he stated nor John, nor Matt nor Luke, nor Mark for I live the same mind as Jesus was talking about. You just never have been to that level of faith to be these things is all.

And in that -- I say you don't follow what these guys said at all. You know very well ion you are like the Father or not as He sent Jesus to lead you to Him. But because you have other agendas for religion, Jesus just spoke into thin air with no evidence that you have followed him to the Father at all. You are advocate of a creed instead.

Nope, you missed the point, you can't have the same Jesus as those you reject...And you reject those who wrote the gospels. That means you are the one with a different God and a different jesus.

I agree, if you reject what they said Jesus said there is no way you you can be of Christ as Jesus was of Christ and anointed of God which is Christ in you.

If you are not exactly as Jesus was as is written what he said that you should be and would be perfect if you did follow him to the Father, then you reject everything anything any of these quoted from Jesus and do not have that what God sent him to lead you to hav in yourself.

You don't seem to get that it was the apostles who brought the message, the same apostles that you rejected...

You don't seem to get where these got their messages. Hint, from God Himself. The One that you are supposed to get your information from according to Jesus.

Then you are pretending...

Pretension would be to say you are of Christ yet deny to be like the Christ anointed of God yourself.

As for me to have that what God sent Jesus for to show me what it is to be of God as Jesus was of God isn't pretense, it is reality of God actually manifest Himself in me just as He manifested Himself in Jesus.

See Matt 3:16, OOps I forgot, you don't believe Matt 3:16 that God did come to Jesus and opened up to him who He is.

But you can still read it, but you don't have to believe it do you? Obvious in your doctrine for your gods.

You have to say when and where he sent you...because you reject the apostles he sent and put yourself in their place..

I already have. And I do not take their place in Christ, I joined them which is God will for us all to receive from Him as Jesus did.

I am not the one rejecting the apostles he sent, you are rejecting the apostles.

Sure you are rejecting them-- you have no intent being that person of Christ these wrote about and quoted of Jesus that you would be if you did follow them to the Father.

I don't reject the apostles I joined them, one who is sent by God to lead you to Him yourself in which you reject everything Jesus commanded that you have from God and walk as He walks in it. I Do; obviously you reject them and don't walk as He walks.

Nope, I don't demand anything from you. You rejected the apostles, you claim that God sent you.

LOL you are demanding that I follow your doctrines instead of the way of Jesus Chirst to the Father.

No spiritual person from God would demand anything of you...you must be referring to the demon spirit.

Not for you I agree,
But there are spiritual persons such as Jesus was a spiritual person and his demands was very clear who and what I should be, and guess what? He was spot on in his assessment for who I should be in the Father.

So yes, a spiritual person such as Jesus and others who has from God the same as Jesus had from Him make demands if we are to be of Christ and like the Father of it. But I do agree with you that to you no spiritual person such as Jesus can make any demand on you.

When you reject the apostles he sent you also reject him...I have shown you the scripture...

I agree, there is no way you can be as He is least you do follow them to him.

I can't relate to your senseless babbling.

That is for sure for the way of Christ is foreign to your understanding. You are so busy dictating your will on Christ, there is no way God can get through to you to anoint you with His Spirit. Even Jesus had to learn this obedience and it took him 30 years to read that enlightenment.

The guarantee is in 1 John 3, when you yourself see Him as He is ye shall be like Him as well. That just isn't in your religion creed is all.

You have already condemned yourself by rejecting Jesus.

Rejecting Jesus? How can you say I reject Jesus when I do obey him and came to the Father for myself as he lead us to.

Isn't the real issue is that you don't have a clue what Jesus was talking about when he said be as I Am? Over and over and over again. To you he just wasted his time and life. you have no intent in following him to have from God that what he had from Him is all. You might as well hold nails and a sword in your hands.

 

[Gary Mac]

i did not know that they became, or in Gen 3:22 as it says "has become like one of us". if one of us, why not let them eat from the tree of life so that... if like "one of us" ... were they not already like? maybe there are stages? perhaps if you were to explain to some how (generally speaking) you came to have the mind of Christ (at present), they might begin to see the process.

though believing is of course another matter. but to just become - might seem difficult, especially if a person has never even considered what is possible.

Most do not consider what is possible that they could be in the Father and have from Him the same as Jesus received from Him.

As far as eating from that knowledge, it isn't a matter of going up to a physical tree and pick a physical apple and eat it. It is a matter of eating from a spiritual tree that holds a knowledge foreign to ones understanding.

Look at Jesus. He taught the laws of the temples in the temples, much like our churches today do. These denominations who has a set of bylaws they all have and teach just as Jesus did, just as Moses did, just as Abraham did. But if one will consider what changed them from those laws to actually walk in the Father as He walks in HHis same light, all of Giods heaven and who He is was opened to them, just as it was opened in Adam.

We are not exempt from the same not one inkling different from these. There were, and are, a lot more who cling to their laws for doctrine than ever did eat that knowledge that only God Himself can put into man where we become like Him and perfect even as He is perfect.

Jesus was no different, he taught the laws of the temple until he was about 30 then ate of the tree of knowledge that comes from God Himself and what happened? Was not all of Gods heaven opened to him? What about Abraham, Moses, 120 in an upper room. Did not all of this go from the laws of those temples to actually hear from God Himself and receive that same knowledge from God from the very beginning?

Without that revelation knowledge that only God can place in mans mind, there is no way one can know Gods intent for them without Him to direct that path to walk as He walks in His same light with the same signs following.

Religious minds cant grasp the concept the concept of having from God the same as Adam, Abraham, Moses, Mary, Jesus, 120, had from God Himself. These really cant relate to that same change in their own lives because of the law of the temples will not allow you to be like Him as He flat out demands of us if we are to be of Him as Jesus and these others were a type of Christ who was anointed of Gods Spirit.

How can one say he is of Christ if you are not like Him?

Most don't know the way of Gods anointing which simply is Love. They seek the sensational instead off the really of His simplicity. They make their gods complicated so they may teach gullible people into believing their laws for the gods they have created that he may obey them and hold them in a pew for enterprise instead of obeying the One Jesus obeyed to be like Him instead and sent out of that eden full of pews to till the ground in which they cam as Moses did, as Jesus did, as 120 did when all of these came to the mind of God themselves to be like Him instead of these lawyers. .

 

[Newbirth]

Actually beliefs are not real, they are speculation.

you just keep on making yourself look silly..
Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

As yourself you can believe anything about a god as you do but it is another matter for God Himself to manifest Himself in you that He may guide you instead of these beliefs systems designed to hold people in a pew for enterprise.

You keep on babbling foolishness ...without faith /belief, it is impossible to please God...

We don't learn of Spirit we inherit His Spirit as our own mind. The teachings that you have learned from is from mans opinions and not by God Himself teach you. You cant know that difference until you let God come to you and be in you, even Adam learned this difference, Gen 3:22, something you should consider from God Himself, you cant know that difference if you only know what scripture says and don't live it yourself as Jesus did and got his information from God Himself.

People who mix the scripture with falsehoods are the worst and God will deal with them severely...continue with your foolishness you have no excuse except you are reprobate.

Jesus said that in that day ye shall ask me noting but go to the Father for yourself and He will give it you. You should at least consider what Jesus teaches. But you won't will you?

You forgot to ask in his name...
John 16:23
And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.
John 16:26
At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:

You have been exposed, deceiver...

 

[Newbirth]

In that it is obvious that Paul is your way and Jesus isn't.

Paul is following Jesus...It is Jesus who sent Paul when you reject Paul you reject Jesus...
Matthew 10:40
He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Paul is your god and I do understand that because you can relate to Paul as a sinner but you cant relate to Jesus and be without sin.

Paul is a servant of God and of jesus Jesus...you have rejected him therefore you reject Jesus and you have rejected God who sent jesus...
Matthew 10:40
He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

That is what I have been trying to convey to you. Jesus was anointed of God. Gids anointing is the Christ, Christ in me is Gods anointing in me no different from the anointing Jesus had from God.

If Christ was in you then you would not have rejected the apostles.

The problem is you do not know what it is to be of Christ, that is why you see Christ as a man and not the disposition of the man who is anointed of God.

I know that you have to receive those who Christ sent...You have openly rejected them all.
Matthew 10:40
He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

If you can seek from God the same anointing Jesus received from God and you can be of Christ as well -- Gods anointed, but you are not anointed of God you are anointed by man made creed.

How can you seek from God when you have openly rejected those whom he sent...
Matthew 10:40
He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

God sends us all who is like Him.

God did not send you because you reject God...
Matthew 10:40
He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

And scripture does say Jesus sent Paul, guess who wrote that? It wasn't Jesus.

Well, show me what Jesus wrote. You must be a trinity because one person cannot be that silly.

He sends all who has from Him that what Jesus had from Him.

How does he send them? Is it not by the hearing of the gospel? You have rejected those who wrote the gospel,
Matthew 10:40
He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

And by your comment that is foreign to your understanding and you don't even know why it is foreign to your understanding.

My comment is foreign to your understanding.

And it is very obvious that He doesn't send you nor anyone else who is different from Him.

I am not the one who has not received those whom he sent, you are.
Matthew 10:40
He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Oh no, they quoted what Jesu said and I incorporated what Jesus said I should be in my own life.

No, you have not, You have not received them. You have rejected them so you have not incorporated what Jesus said...Here is what Jesus said,
Matthew 10:40
He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

To reject them would not be like the Father as was quoted by Jesus.

So now you are calling Jesus a liar?...
Matthew 10:40
He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Hypocrisy is to say you follow the way of Christ yet flat out deny to be Gods anointed yourself as He demands of you by the same Spirit be in you who was in Christ Jesus.

that is what you are doing Gary,,, you openly reject those whom Jesus sent and claim to be following Jesus...
Matthew 10:40
He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

You don't have a clue what it is to walk as He walks in His same light from lack of being His anointed.

I have a clue that you are not walking as he says..
Matthew 10:40
He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

You are correct, silliness would be for me not to receive from God that what these did as they came to lead me to. Hey they worked for me.

Then you are admitting you are silly...since you have not received the apostles
Matthew 10:40
He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Yes Jesus walked on that same stool that you see God is I agree and look how he was treated for walking on that stool.

What foolishness are you spewing? you are walking on your own stool.

To you the way of Christ to be like Him and have His same mind and walk in it as He walks in it is dung for you. I totally agree with you in that. But for me it is the power of God at work in me, same power of God who was at work in Jesus. The one you have never encountered yourself and make up your own gods that the way of Christ is just stool walking for you.

You have rejected God Gary so what power are you talking about?
Matthew 10:40
He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Oh heck no, the ones who quoted Jesus were spot on.

So why do you reject them Gary?
Matthew 10:40
He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

How do I know? Because the same Spirit who was in Christ Jesus is in me. It is by identification with the Father of it, something you should try and identify with in yourself.

You cannot have the same spirit and reject those who Jesus sent Gary... You have been exposed.

I don't reject his disciples at all -- Luke when he quoted Jesus in 17:20-21 was spot on, so was John when he quoted Jesus in John 17 that I be one in the Father as Jesus was one in Him that you reject from Luke. And I don't reject Matt 5:48 at all for I live it as it is commanded of me by Jesus himself to be ye therefore perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect as it seems that you do reject to be perfect yourself.
And I do not reject John in 16:23, for I did as he said and went straight to the Father for His information, that way I don't have to depend on Jesus for information as he stated nor John, nor Matt nor Luke, nor Mark for I live the same mind as Jesus was talking about. You just never have been to that level of faith to be these things is all.

Are you now eating your words? Did you not say Jesus is a man alone...You rejected all the apostles in post#10

And in that -- I say you don't follow what these guys said at all. You know very well ion you are like the Father or not as He sent Jesus to lead you to Him. But because you have other agendas for religion, Jesus just spoke into thin air with no evidence that you have followed him to the Father at all. You are advocate of a creed instead.

There it is again...

I agree, if you reject what they said Jesus said there is no way you you can be of Christ as Jesus was of Christ and anointed of God which is Christ in you.

Now you are exposing a reprobate mind...You agree that you have rejected the apostles therefore Ghrist is not in you.

 

[Newbirth]

If you are not exactly as Jesus was as is written what he said that you should be and would be perfect if you did follow him to the Father, then you reject everything anything any of these quoted from Jesus and do not have that what God sent him to lead you to hav in yourself.

You don't seem to get where these got their messages. Hint, from God Himself. The One that you are supposed to get your information from according to Jesus.

Pretension would be to say you are of Christ yet deny to be like the Christ anointed of God yourself.

As for me to have that what God sent Jesus for to show me what it is to be of God as Jesus was of God isn't pretense, it is reality of God actually manifest Himself in me just as He manifested Himself in Jesus.

See Matt 3:16, OOps I forgot, you don't believe Matt 3:16 that God did come to Jesus and opened up to him who He is.

But you can still read it, but you don't have to believe it do you? Obvious in your doctrine for your gods.

I already have. And I do not take their place in Christ, I joined them which is God will for us all to receive from Him as Jesus did.

Sure you are rejecting them-- you have no intent being that person of Christ these wrote about and quoted of Jesus that you would be if you did follow them to the Father.

I don't reject the apostles I joined them, one who is sent by God to lead you to Him yourself in which you reject everything Jesus commanded that you have from God and walk as He walks in it. I Do; obviously you reject them and don't walk as He walks.


LOL you are demanding that I follow your doctrines instead of the way of Jesus Chirst to the Father.

Not for you I agree,
But there are spiritual persons such as Jesus was a spiritual person and his demands was very clear who and what I should be, and guess what? He was spot on in his assessment for who I should be in the Father.

So yes, a spiritual person such as Jesus and others who has from God the same as Jesus had from Him make demands if we are to be of Christ and like the Father of it. But I do agree with you that to you no spiritual person such as Jesus can make any demand on you.




I agree, there is no way you can be as He is least you do follow them to him.

That is for sure for the way of Christ is foreign to your understanding. You are so busy dictating your will on Christ, there is no way God can get through to you to anoint you with His Spirit. Even Jesus had to learn this obedience and it took him 30 years to read that enlightenment.

The guarantee is in 1 John 3, when you yourself see Him as He is ye shall be like Him as well. That just isn't in your religion creed is all.

Rejecting Jesus? How can you say I reject Jesus when I do obey him and came to the Father for myself as he lead us to.

Isn't the real issue is that you don't have a clue what Jesus was talking about when he said be as I Am? Over and over and over again. To you he just wasted his time and life. you have no intent in following him to have from God that what he had from Him is all. You might as well hold nails and a sword in your hands.

this is a waste of time. it has now become obvious that Gary has rejected god and accepted a reprobate mind.

 

[Gary Mac]

this is a waste of time. it has now become obvious that Gary has rejected god and accepted a reprobate mind.

To be of Christ is always a waste of time for the religious minds

BYW. Ole Gary didn’t reject God at all He in me and I in Him are one just as He demands of you to but because His way to be like Him, obvious in John 17 that you are supposed to be as Jesus prayed to Him for you to be that you reject Jesus from makes Jesus have your reprobate mind doesn’t it?

And non of you guys can answer. What if God really did send Jesus to show you the way and lead you to Him?

May I inquire why the one God sent to show you His way that He may be in you as well has a reprobate mind. Isn’t that a little odd even for you guys?

 

[HealTheLand]

To be of Christ is always a waste of time for the religious minds

BYW. Ole Gary didn’t reject God at all He in me and I in Him are one just as He demands of you to but because His way to be like Him, obvious in John 17 that you are supposed to be as Jesus prayed to Him for you to be that you reject Jesus from makes Jesus have your reprobate mind doesn’t it?

And non of you guys can answer. What if God really did send Jesus to show you the way and lead you to Him?

May I inquire why the one God sent to show you His way that He may be in you as well has a reprobate mind. Isn’t that a little odd even for you guys?

things will seem obvious to one mind and yet quite different to another mind. so often online does one find themselves looking at a mirror that does not see themselves for themselves - it would appear - but instead - projects onto other mirrors - their own mirrors. not sure if i'm making sense.

but if one has ever experienced this phenomenom it can be quite disconcerting. and depressing. to not get what others are trying to convey and instead see in others what might not be there - of negative sorts - when maybe they are not perfect - but do not mean things how we take them. or to be able to see in us things for real - being more intuitive of how other people are really and trying to help wake them up to truth - as Christ would also.

 

[Newbirth]

To be of Christ is always a waste of time for the religious minds

BYW. Ole Gary didn’t reject God at all He in me and I in Him are one just as He demands of you to but because His way to be like Him, obvious in John 17 that you are supposed to be as Jesus prayed to Him for you to be that you reject Jesus from makes Jesus have your reprobate mind doesn’t it?

And non of you guys can answer. What if God really did send Jesus to show you the way and lead you to Him?

May I inquire why the one God sent to show you His way that He may be in you as well has a reprobate mind. Isn’t that a little odd even for you guys?

may I inquire why you don't receive Paul a man sent by Jesus?
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

 

[Gary Mac]

things will seem obvious to one mind and yet quite different to another mind. so often online does one find themselves looking at a mirror that does not see themselves for themselves - it would appear - but instead - projects onto other mirrors - their own mirrors. not sure if i'm making sense.

Perfect sense.

but if one has ever experienced this phenomenom it can be quite disconcerting. and depressing. to not get what others are trying to convey and instead see in others what might not be there - of negative sorts - when maybe they are not perfect - but do not mean things how we take them. or to be able to see in us things for real - being more intuitive of how other people are really and trying to help wake them up to truth - as Christ would also.

The problem with these religions is they see what they want to see, but is is clear in 1 John 3 that when one does see Him as He ye shall be like Him. When these look in a mirror all they see is their imperfections and cannot see the perfections of God to be a sHe is.

 

[Gary Mac]

may I inquire why you don't receive Paul a man sent by Jesus?

Because he wasn't sent by Jesus. If he was sent by God as Jesus was sent by God and you are supposed to be as well he would have not been the sinner and do the things he didnt want to do he would have been like the Father as 1 John 3 says and perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Do you see Jesus preaching those things Paul preached that he was a inner? I don't, in fact I see Jesus was anointed of God and without sin just as we all are who are born of God, born again by His Spirit as Jesus was in Matt 3:16 who has from God the same as Jesus had from Him as we are supposed to have.

DO you know why you cant follow Jesus and be perfect as his Father in heaven is perfect and be like Him? You follow one who is not perfect and a sinner and not Gods righteous who is without sin but a sinner instead. It is easier for you guys to be the sinner as Paul was than it is to be the saint as Jesus was and without sin.

That is wy you follow the way of Paul instead of Jesus. If Paul had been born of God it would have been impossible for him to be the sinner. 1 John 3:9. you can read it, but you won't believe it!

If you cant relate to being without sin then you haven't a big enough god.

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

That is correct, if you do receive He, and note the capital H, and whoever He sends receives me, little m, receives the One who sent Him to lead you to Him. Big H.

You are reading it from a mind like Pauls instead of a mind like the Father as Jesus had of the Father. Jesus couldn't do anything without the Father who did send him to show you His way and what it is to be perfect as He is yourself. You dont believe Jesus, you believe Paul instead.

 

[Newbirth]

Because he wasn't sent by Jesus.

So now you are calling Paul a liar...
12 Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,
13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

This is so funny. You can call Paul a liar on Carm but people will be banned if they call you a liar...God will deal with you all.
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

If he was sent by God as Jesus was sent by God and you are supposed to be as well he would have not been the sinner and do the things he didnt want to do he would have been like the Father as 1 John 3 says and perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Do you see Jesus preaching those things Paul preached that he was a inner? I don't, in fact I see Jesus was anointed of God and without sin just as we all are who are born of God, born again by His Spirit as Jesus was in Matt 3:16 who has from God the same as Jesus had from Him as we are supposed to have.

You are not making any sense...All the apostles were sinners ... every one of us was a sinner...so what is your point...?
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

DO you know why you cant follow Jesus and be perfect as his Father in heaven is perfect and be like Him? You follow one who is not perfect and a sinner and not Gods righteous who is without sin but a sinner instead. It is easier for you guys to be the sinner as Paul was than it is to be the saint as Jesus was and without sin.

Are you claiming that you have not sinned? Paul confessed that he was a sinner...you seem to be denying that you have sinned.

That is wy you follow the way of Paul instead of Jesus. If Paul had been born of God it would have been impossible for him to be the sinner. 1 John 3:9. you can read it, but you won't believe it!

1 John 1:10
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

If you cant relate to being without sin then you haven't a big enough god.

then this is a problem for you...if you claim to have no sin to confess then how can you be cleansed from sin?
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

That is correct, if you do receive He, and note the capital H, and whoever He sends receives me, little m, receives the One who sent Him to lead you to Him. Big H.

You are reading it from a mind like Pauls instead of a mind like the Father as Jesus had of the Father. Jesus couldn't do anything without the Father who did send him to show you His way and what it is to be perfect as He is yourself. You dont believe Jesus, you believe Paul instead.

You are still rejecting Paul, When you reject Paul you reject Jesus ... Peter received Paul... Was Peter wrong? Or did Jesus not send Peter either?
2 Peter 3:15
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

 

[Algernon]

So now you are calling Paul a liar...
12 Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,
13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

This is so funny. You can call Paul a liar on Carm but people will be banned if they call you a liar...God will deal with you all.
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

You are not making any sense...All the apostles were sinners ... every one of us was a sinner...so what is your point...?
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Are you claiming that you have not sinned? Paul confessed that he was a sinner...you seem to be denying that you have sinned.

1 John 1:10
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

then this is a problem for you...if you claim to have no sin to confess then how can you be cleansed from sin?
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

You are still rejecting Paul, When you reject Paul you reject Jesus ... Peter received Paul... Was Peter wrong? Or did Jesus not send Peter either?
2 Peter 3:15
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

Jesus was righteous. He was a true prophet.
Those who commit sin are not righteous. They are false prophets.

Jesus spoke to this in the following.

Matthew 7
15“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Jesus would not have sent a false prophet.