Hebrews and the Law

[Gary Mac]

So now you are calling Paul a liar...

Oh no not at all. He was very clear he was of sin and not born of God to be without sin. 1 John 3:9.

12 Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,
13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Can you not see in this very passage that Paul promoted his doctrine to have faith in him instead?

This is so funny. You can call Paul a liar on Carm but people will be banned if they call you a liar...God will deal with you all.
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Paul was not a liar, he was very clear he was a sinner instead of righteous and without sin as Jesus teaches us to be.

You have received Paul as a sinner and shunned the way of Jesus who was without sin. That is very obvious.

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

See what I mean? All have sinned, note the ED at the end.

You are not making any sense...All the apostles were sinners ... every one of us was a sinner...so what is your point...?
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

AT least you saw the ED at the end of sinnED. Now we who are born of God, born again of His Spirit, cannot sin, impossible to be in sin if you are born of God, which is Christ in you, you anointed of God. But it seems you are born of Paul as a sinner?

Are you claiming that you have not sinned? Paul confessed that he was a sinner...you seem to be denying that you have sinned.

Well seems you lost the ED at the end of sinnED. I was now im not.

1 John 1:10
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

I love this passage.

5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

As stated all has sinned. Jesus was made to be sin by those who denied him, he was blasphemer, glutton, wine bibber, sabbath breaker to these religious minds. A sinner to them.

then this is a problem for you...if you claim to have no sin to confess then how can you be cleansed from sin?

Oh it isn't a problem for me at all, I am the righteousness of God in Christ who is without sin cannot sin because I am born of God, which is Christ in me, Gods anointing in me, same anointing Jesus had in the Father.

If you are separated from the same as Jesus had from God then you have a severe problem in following Jesus in righteousness for God to be in you and you be in Him as one as Jesus was one in Him, See John 17. And walk as He walks in His same light as Jesus did , have His same mind, Spirit, perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect as Jesus commanded of you.

Do you really think to be perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect includes you being a sinner? And isn't the real truth is Paul as a sinner is your Father in heaven instead of the Father Jesus spoke of. How can you say to be perfect as He is is to be a sinner? Think about it if possible!

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

You confess you are a sinner but never has repented from them. For had you repented from sin you would be without them and your confession would be from Christ yourself. .

You are still rejecting Paul, When you reject Paul you reject Jesus ... Peter received Paul... Was Peter wrong? Or did Jesus not send Peter either?
2 Peter 3:15.

OH NO' I reject Paul in favor of Jesus in His way for righteousness, not Paul who leads one to sin.

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

I wonder who wrote that? I dont think it was quoted of Jesus do you?

BTW Gods salvation is Him manifest in you and He sent Jesus as example for who you are supposed to have the same from Him Jesus had from Him. But because you prefer Paul over Jesus, Jesus way for righteousness goes by the wayside.

 

[Newbirth]

Jesus was righteous. He was a true prophet.
Those who commit sin are not righteous. They are false prophets.

Please show any of the prophets that came before Jesus who was not a sinner. Was Moses not a sinner also? All the apostles were sinners...

Jesus spoke to this in the following.

Matthew 7
15“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

How does this passage show that true prophets were not sinners?

Jesus would not have sent a false prophet.

But you concluded that sinners are false prophets, show any one of the prophets that Jesus sent who was not a sinner...
Gary Mac asserted that he was one, is he?

 

[Newbirth]

Oh no not at all. He was very clear he was of sin and not born of God to be without sin. 1 John 3:9.

Where did Paul say that? But I was asking about Paul saying that Jesus sent him. Was Paul lying when he said Jesus sent him?

 

[Newbirth]

Can you not see in this very passage that Paul promoted his doctrine to have faith in him instead?

Of course, he did ...You have to believe Paul is truthful to believe that Jesus sent him. Therefore Jesus' doctrine is his doctrine...What is interesting in your case is you seem not to believe any of the apostles yet you quote their words...

 

[Newbirth]

Oh it isn't a problem for me at all, I am the righteousness of God in Christ who is without sin cannot sin because I am born of God, which is Christ in me, Gods anointing in me, same anointing Jesus had in the Father.

How did you come to be this way if you don't believe the apostles...? Based on what scripture not written by the apostles did you become the righteousness of God...Is it not Paul you are quoting
2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

 

[Newbirth]

Well seems you lost the ED at the end of sinnED. I was now im not.

Are you OSAS? Because people sin unintentionally, hence the reason Jesus taught us to pray in a particular way...So your claim is that you have not sinned since you were "saved". If that is the case why would John be writing this to the church...
1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

 

[Newbirth]

As stated all has sinned. Jesus was made to be sin by those who denied him, he was blasphemer, glutton, wine bibber, sabbath breaker to these religious minds. A sinner to them.

Are you now saying that Jesus was made a sinner by those who denied him? But you are not a sinner...? Where is that written in the scripture Gary? Now you are misquoting Paul...

2 Corinthians 5:21
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
I would rather be banned than stand for you openly purporting your lies here. The scripture does not say... Jesus was made to be sin by those who denied him. That my friend is a lie...

 

[Newbirth]

You confess you are a sinner but never has repented from them. For had you repented from sin you would be without them and your confession would be from Christ yourself. .

So you repented once for all sins? You are sinning here on carm every day...

 

[Newbirth]

OH NO' I reject Paul in favor of Jesus in His way for righteousness, not Paul who leads one to sin.

the scripture says if you receive those whom Jesus sent you receive him...Openly you reject Paul therefore you openly reject Jesus...
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

 

[Newbirth]

I wonder who wrote that? I dont think it was quoted of Jesus do you?

It says Peter did, do you reject Peter also? Peter received Paul because Jesus said...
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
You reject them both but claim to receive Jesus.

 

[Algernon]

Please show any of the prophets that came before Jesus who was not a sinner. Was Moses not a sinner also? All the apostles were sinners...

How does this passage show that true prophets were not sinners?

But you concluded that sinners are false prophets, show any one of the prophets that Jesus sent who was not a sinner...
Gary Mac asserted that he was one, is he?

Matthew 7
15“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

In particular note the text in bold. Jesus emphasizes the point that not only do good trees bear good fruit, a good tree CANNOT bear bad fruit. In other words, a good tree bears good fruit and good fruit only. If you think you can make a cogent case for sin being "good fruit", go for it.

There's more I could post, but this should suffice.

 

[Gary Mac]

Please show any of the prophets that came before Jesus who was not a sinner. Was Moses not a sinner also? All the apostles were sinners...

So was Jesus to the religious minds motivated by the laws of your temples just as Moses was.

Jesus was made to be sin for this very reason.

How does this passage show that true prophets were not sinners?

A true prophet, one born of God it is impossible to be in sin. 1 John 3:9.

But you concluded that sinners are false prophets, show any one of the prophets that Jesus sent who was not a sinner...

Well you believe that Jesus the prophet of God was a sinner? He was to the religious minds who had him crucified for being a sinner, blasphemer.

Gary Mac asserted that he was one, is he?

What a prophet or sinner?

I am not a sinner I am the righteousness of God in Christ Who is without sin, cannot sin, because I am born of God, of His Spirit no different from the Spirit Jesus had from God.

If you are any different from the prophet God sent to show you His way, then you do not follow His prophet sent to show you the way at all.
You should beware of anyone who separates you from God in being like Him as Jesus was like Him, same mind, same walk a sHe walks a Jesus did, same signs following, same everything Jesus was in the Father. And by your comment you are separated from being like Him as Jesus was like Him as God demands of us all if we are to of Christ, anointed of God Himself as Jesus was anointed of God, no different at all. if you are different from the way of God in Jesus then you have defiantly separated yourself from Him.

 

[Gary Mac]

Where did Paul say that? But I was asking about Paul saying that Jesus sent him. Was Paul lying when he said Jesus sent him?

No, Paul truly believed that Jesus sent him just as all religious minds do. He didn't know what it was to have from God that what Jesus had from Him and like most religious minds worshiped a man as a god instead of the God Who was in that mnan.

But if he truly did follow Jesus to the Father he would have been teaching righteous perfection instead of preaching unrighteous imperfections om that you are a sinner instead of being like Jesus himself as God demands of us all and perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect.

I dont read Paul a lot so maybe you can enlighten me where Paul taught to be perfect and without sin as Jesus was and taught you to be perfect in the Father as he was perfect in the Father? See Matt 5:48. Where did Paul teach the same as Jesus did?

 

[Gary Mac]

Where did Paul say that? But I was asking about Paul saying that Jesus sent him. Was Paul lying when he said Jesus sent him?

Read Romans 7, Paul was clear how he struggled with sin.

Jesus didn't have that problem did he? Nor does anyone who is the righteousness of God as Jesus was the righteousness of God. Sin isn't an issue with us at all for God comes and did did comet all who has received His salvation to be like Him took away the sins of this world for us. 1 John 3.

 

[Gary Mac]

Of course, he did ...You have to believe Paul is truthful to believe that Jesus sent him. Therefore Jesus' doctrine is his doctrine...What is interesting in your case is you seem not to believe any of the apostles yet you quote their words...

Agreed -- You would have to believe Paul in his way for sin instead of Jesus and be without sin yourself.

Jesus doctrine is not Pauls doctrine at all, for if Paul was of God as Jesus was of God and get his information straight from God as Jesus said that in that day ye shall ask me noting but go to the Father for yourself and He will give it you, he would have been teaching righteousness perfection and impossible to be in sin if one is in the Father as Jesus was in the Father. See John 17.

You assume a lot of things. John was spot on in his assessments for Christ, so was Matt, Mark, Luke, they all quoted from Jesus what Jesus said to be like his Father as he was like His Father and have the same Father yourself born of Him. Born again of God just as he was in Matt 3:16 that Matt quoted.

I quote what they said Jesus said in every post

 

[Gary Mac]

So you repented once for all sins?

Repentance is a one time cleansing of the mind. And if one has received the mind of Christ to be like Him and think in terms of Gods anointing as Jesus did, and perfect even as my Father in heaven is perfect as repentance from self now mind, way, and born of God, born again, it is impossible to be in sin. 1 John 3:9. Then what am I going to repent from?

I repented from the ways of these religious minds, denominations, and became looks Him instead as God demands of me. It is obvious God doesn't demand that of these religious minds and the reason they think they have can sin today and repent tonight, sin tomorrow and repent tomorrow night.

The problem in this religious minds is they are not thorough in repentance to be like Him instead of these lawyers.

You are sinning here on carm every day...

I cant sin toward Gods will for man, just as Jesus couldn't sin against Gods will for man, but as with Jesus as a sinner to these religious minds Yes Jesus was a sinner, blasphemer, sabbath breaker, glutton, wine bibber, the very Samy way I am a sinner to the same minds this very day.

He comes and takes away the sins of this world you just dont believe Him that He does or even can is all. 1 John 3.

 

[Gary Mac]

the scripture says if you receive those whom Jesus sent you receive him...Openly you reject Paul therefore you openly reject Jesus...
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

You should get real with yourself before you can get real with God. Many a soul begins to come to God when they fling off being religious. It is heartbreaking when God gives a command that you are not willing to give over to Him where you go away not defiant but sorrowful and thoroughly discouraged because sin isn't something you are willing to give over to Him.

God does not see us as other people see us He sees us in the secret place where our life, mind, is hidden from the eye of man who only see from a carnal mind even though they may be staring right at you cant see that secret place where God is hidden least He is manifest in you unless of course you have been in that same secret place Jesus was in the Father, then it is no longer a secret is it?

Only to the ones who are without the same as Jesus had from God is it a secret.

 

[Gary Mac]

It says Peter did, do you reject Peter also? Peter received Paul because Jesus said...
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
You reject them both but claim to receive Jesus.

But Jesus didn't send Paul, Paul sent Paul. Jesus didn't know Paul at all he was dead before Paul made the scene.

One thing Paul was good at was using trickery to get your eyes off God and on himself, and was honest enough to state that he did.

2 Corinthians 12:16, NIV: Be that as it may, I have not been a burden to you. Yet, crafty fellow that I am, I caught you by trickery!

2 Corinthians 12:16, ESV: But granting that I myself did not burden you, I was crafty, you say, and got the better of you by deceit.

2 Corinthians 12:16, KJV: But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile.

2 Corinthians 12:16, NASB: But be that as it may, I did not burden you myself; nevertheless, devious person that I am, I took you in by deceit.

2 Corinthians 12:16, NLT: Some of you admit I was not a burden to you. But others still think I was sneaky and took advantage of you by trickery.

2 Corinthians 12:16, CSB: Now granted, I did not burden you; yet sly as I am, I took you in by deceit!

And obviously he has lead a lot more as yourself to believe him than Jesus ever did to believe himself.

The creed you are advocate for Paul has taken you by deceit. And do you know why you are tricked by Paul? Perhaps it is because you have not met the one who doesn't use trickery only truths whose name is Christ, Gods anointing, the One Jesus spoke of, obeyed, prayed to that you may be like Him instead of like Paul.

And I do understand clearly why you follow Paul instead of Jesus, I once did the same and taught the same as you do until as with Jesus, God came and opened ups all of His heaven and who He is to me as He did in Jesus. Ye musth be born again, and born again is the manifestation fo God in you just as He manifested Himself in Jesus in Matt 3:16. Matt 3:16 doesn't mean anything to you does it? And dont tell me you follow the way of Jesus for if you did you would be like his God as he was like his God and perfect even as God in heaven is perfect.

BTW Jesus was spot on -- The kingdom of God doesn't come with observation, it is within you Luke 17:20-21.

 

[Newbirth]

Matthew 7
15“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

In particular note the text in bold. Jesus emphasizes the point that not only do good trees bear good fruit, a good tree CANNOT bear bad fruit. In other words, a good tree bears good fruit and good fruit only. If you think you can make a cogent case for sin being "good fruit", go for it.

There's more I could post, but this should suffice.

 

[Gary Mac]

So now you are calling Paul a liar...
12 Whereupon as I went to Damascus with authority and commission from the chief priests,
13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from heaven, above the brightness of the sun, shining round about me and them which journeyed with me.
14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose, to make thee a minister and a witness both of these things which thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

This is so funny. You can call Paul a liar on Carm but people will be banned if they call you a liar...God will deal with you all.
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

You are not making any sense...All the apostles were sinners ... every one of us was a sinner...so what is your point...?
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Are you claiming that you have not sinned? Paul confessed that he was a sinner...you seem to be denying that you have sinned.

1 John 1:10
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

then this is a problem for you...if you claim to have no sin to confess then how can you be cleansed from sin?
1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

You are still rejecting Paul, When you reject Paul you reject Jesus ... Peter received Paul... Was Peter wrong? Or did Jesus not send Peter either?
2 Peter 3:15
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

Paul had a few things right that can be identified with God but for the most part he only expressed his beliefs from opinions. I still don’t see where he was perfect a God is perfect as Jesus taught. Paul’s struggle with sin is very far from Gods perfection and without sin , impossible to be in sin. One has to be of Christ, anointed of God, to be perfect and without sin as God demands of Paul and you.