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Nic

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"'Address the ball.'
'Hello ball.'"
~The Honeymooners
~The Three Stooges
~The Flintstones
Rhetorically, who said it?
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Bonnie

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Three Stooges?

But HI! I tried to email you that the boards were back up, but my email got kicked back, so you must have changed it. But welcome back. Everything works fine, as far as I can tell.
 

Nic

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Three Stooges?

But HI! I tried to email you that the boards were back up, but my email got kicked back, so you must have changed it. But welcome back. Everything works fine, as far as I can tell.
Oh thank you Bonnie! I'm not sure which email you have. I think it was a once used yahoo account. That's been dead for awhile. Then I had some other emails that I failed to reactivate after repeatedly resetting a device. Until very recently I did recover one and contacted Jael/Thekla and replied to bj_bear. I searched for your address and did find one for are friend who enjoys posting to the food forum, but I couldn't find yours nor dropkick's?😜😟
Yes the site looks nice. I tried to keep up with all the crash-restore repeat efforts but I was having some difficulties.
Thank you for the welcome and the effort to contact me. Maybe somehow privately I can get a working one to you?

I was scratching my head on those answers I provided for lacking to run two of them down, I was certain that at least two if not all three had a similar scene. For the one I came closest to quoting, that would be The Honeymooners. I'm pretty sure your answer had Curly saying 'Hello ball-zy wall-zy." I think or imagined Barney was serving up the punch line to Fred.

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bigthinker

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Mormon apologetic tactics I have observed on CARM for years:

1. Attempt to deflect from the OP
2. Change the subject--often drastically
3. Repeat the same old questions, over and over again, and....
4. Pretend we have not answered their questions or dealt with their points, to make it appear that we have not, and they have won the debate
5. Ignore our points and Bible verses that put their quoted bible verses into proper perspective, that show that they have misinterpreted and/or misunderstood what the Bible was talking about
6. When they cannot refute what Christians post, fall back onto their "testimony" of their church and prophet, Joseph Smith.
7. Make ad homs against us. Rare. And only used by a few.
Bonnie,
Can I use this? Its essentially the same way Christians respond to atheist posts.
 

Bonnie

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I would prefer you did not, as I have lurked on some of the Atheists boards and I do see Christians responding with thoughtful posts. Mostly on those boards I see ad homs flung at each other from both sides, which is shameful. I mean, really being vicious. Makes my toes curl. But thanks for asking.
 

bigthinker

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I would prefer you did not, as I have lurked on some of the Atheists boards and I do see Christians responding with thoughtful posts. Mostly on those boards I see ad homs flung at each other from both sides, which is shameful. I mean, really being vicious. Makes my toes curl. But thanks for asking.
Interesting because I see far less of that sort of thing from atheists unless parodying or making a point.
From the couple of threads I've started here, there's been very little attempt from believers to address the points in the OP.
I see attempts to change topic,
repeating the same questions over and over and over as nauseam
DEFINITELY pretend we have not answered their question -as well as assert they have ALREADY answered ours
Ignore our points and responses to bible verses, perspective etc.
When they cannot refute the atheist's position, they fall back on their "testimony" scripture, god etc.
The most common though is the ad hominem attacks. Quite popular and common.

Anyways, its interesting that you see the same thing from a different set of believers.
 

Bonnie

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Interesting because I see far less of that sort of thing from atheists unless parodying or making a point.
From the couple of threads I've started here, there's been very little attempt from believers to address the points in the OP.
I see attempts to change topic,
repeating the same questions over and over and over as nauseam
DEFINITELY pretend we have not answered their question -as well as assert they have ALREADY answered ours
Ignore our points and responses to bible verses, perspective etc.
When they cannot refute the atheist's position, they fall back on their "testimony" scripture, god etc.
The most common though is the ad hominem attacks. Quite popular and common.

Anyways, its interesting that you see the same thing from a different set of believers.
Both sides are equally guilty. It is shameful. Especially for those who bear the title of Christian. They should know better.
 

bigthinker

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Both sides are equally guilty. It is shameful. Especially for those who bear the title of Christian. They should know better.
Agreed.
The problem is that knowing better would be to address their beliefs full on with critical analysis.
 

richwheeler

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Bonnie,
Can I use this? Its essentially the same way Christians respond to atheist posts.
Funny, I was thinking the same thing of atheists' responses, although not such a limited list.
Do you think such habits might simply be part of the human condition?
 
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Interesting because I see far less of that sort of thing from atheists unless parodying or making a point.
From the couple of threads I've started here, there's been very little attempt from believers to address the points in the OP.
I see attempts to change topic,
repeating the same questions over and over and over as nauseam
DEFINITELY pretend we have not answered their question -as well as assert they have ALREADY answered ours
Ignore our points and responses to bible verses, perspective etc.
When they cannot refute the atheist's position, they fall back on their "testimony" scripture, god etc.
The most common though is the ad hominem attacks. Quite popular and common.

Anyways, its interesting that you see the same thing from a different set of believers.
Interesting topic! :)
 

bigthinker

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Funny, I was thinking the same thing of atheists' responses, although not such a limited list.
Do you think such habits might simply be part of the human condition?
To some degree yes. However, I find fewer reasons for atheists to obfuscate as the atheist position is fairly well defined and quite narrow in scope.
I do tend to repeat the same point but only because it has yet to be answered and is typically merely ignored rather than addressed in any way.
I take believers at their word -if they claim to believe something I tend to accept that they believe that. I often find exactly the opposite treatment from believers who want to believe that all humans are aware of God because they believe God has made himself known to all man. I find little reason to engage someone if they lack the basic honesty to accept what I say about myself.
Anyway...
 

Manfred

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To some degree yes. However, I find fewer reasons for atheists to obfuscate as the atheist position is fairly well defined and quite narrow in scope.
I do tend to repeat the same point but only because it has yet to be answered and is typically merely ignored rather than addressed in any way.
I take believers at their word -if they claim to believe something I tend to accept that they believe that. I often find exactly the opposite treatment from believers who want to believe that all humans are aware of God because they believe God has made himself known to all man. I find little reason to engage someone if they lack the basic honesty to accept what I say about myself.
Anyway...
Interesting that you say "want to believe"
It is like me saying you want to believe there is no God, which you will deflect to " it's not a question of faith, but a lack of belief" which at the end of the day equates to an attempt to deflect.

As you say you generally accept what Christians say they believe, but then get annoyed when we say we believe you do know God through ID because that is in scripture and we believe scripture to be right and true.
Therefore your assistance that you cannot know God through ID to us is an attempt to pretend we have not answered why we believe you are aware that God exists.

Your paragraph above is therefore an oxymoron.

I am also interested to know why an Atheist is posting on this board?
 

bigthinker

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Interesting that you say "want to believe"
It is like me saying you want to believe there is no God, which you will deflect to " it's not a question of faith, but a lack of belief" which at the end of the day equates to an attempt to deflect.
Calling it "an attempt to deflect" is incorrect. It is literally a lack of belief. One may hold a belief that a proposition is true and one may hold a belief that a proposition is false. Belief is present. It is also possible to lack belief. As an example, belief is like a glass container. The container may be full (positive belief) or may be empty (negative belief) but it is also possible to not have the glass.
As you say you generally accept what Christians say they believe, but then get annoyed when we say we believe you do know God through ID because that is in scripture and we believe scripture to be right and true.
Let me clarify: I do not accept as true, what Christians say they believe. Rather I accept that a person believes what they say they believe. If you say you believe that a man was born of a virgin, I accept that you believe it -not that it is true.
I do not think reciprocal treatment is unreasonable.
Regarding "annoyance": I view the belief-in, and promotion-of ideas that are incorrect or have no substantial evidential support outside of one's set of beliefs as wrong. There is no evidence outside of
Therefore your assistance that you cannot know God through ID to us is an attempt to pretend we have not answered why we believe you are aware that God exists.
The problem here is that while I accept that you believe in ID, ID doesn't actually exist outside of one's set of beliefs. Essentially your conclusion is merely basing one belief on another belief. To posit ID is to essentially argue in a circle. There is no evidence of the intelligence -outside the assertion of ID and not evidence of design outside the assertion of of ID. This is different from science which works from the known to the unknown. It does so by testing hypotheses and making corrections along the way. ID works from the unknown to the unknown -or rather from the asserted to the asserted or from one belief to another belief.
Your paragraph above is therefore an oxymoron.
Incorrect.
I am also interested to know why an Atheist is posting on this board?
Indeed, why does anyone post on this board?
 

Manfred

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The problem here is that while I accept that you believe in ID, ID doesn't actually exist outside of one's set of beliefs. Essentially your conclusion is merely basing one belief on another belief. To posit ID is to essentially argue in a circle. There is no evidence of the intelligence -outside the assertion of ID and not evidence of design outside the assertion of of ID. This is different from science which works from the known to the unknown. It does so by testing hypotheses and making corrections along the way. ID works from the unknown to the unknown -or rather from the asserted to the asserted or from one belief to another belief.
I do not believe in ID, it is a logical conclusion.

You look, at a beautiful painting and marvel about the artistry.
You look at architecture and marvel at the Architect
You look at a beautiful beach, the lapping waves and sunset and marvel at chance.

That is why we know, you know.
 

bigthinker

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I do not believe in ID, it is a logical conclusion.
no it isn't and I explained why. It is a belief based on a belief.
You look, at a beautiful painting and marvel about the artistry.
Artists exist.
You look at architecture and marvel at the Architect
Architects exist.
You look at a beautiful beach, the lapping waves and sunset and marvel at chance.
Nature exists.
That is why we know, you know.
Where is the designer -what is the evidence that one exists?
 
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