Hell's Daily Body Count

Dant01

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"I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply your offspring as the stars of
heaven and as the sand that is on the seashore."

The version of Genesis 22:17 displayed below has been deliberately altered for a
purpose. Watch for the revisions.

"I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply your offspring equal to the stars of
heaven and equal to the sand that is on the seashore."
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The version of Genesis 22:17 displayed below has been deliberately altered for a
purpose. Watch for the revisions.

"I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply your offspring equal to the stars of
heaven and equal to the sand that is on the seashore."
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Here is the passage in the original Hebrew:

Strong'sHebrewEnglishMorphology
3588 [e]כִּֽי־
kî-
thatConj
1288 [e]בָרֵ֣ךְ
ḇā-rêḵ
blessingV-Piel-InfAbs
1288 [e]אֲבָרֶכְךָ֗
’ă-ḇā-reḵ-ḵā,
I will bless youV-Piel-Imperf-1cs | 2ms
7235 [e]וְהַרְבָּ֨ה
wə-har-bāh
and multiplyingConj-w | V-Hifil-InfAbs
7235 [e]אַרְבֶּ֤ה
’ar-beh
I will multiplyV-Hifil-Imperf-1cs
853 [e]אֶֽת־
’eṯ-
-DirObjM
2233 [e]זַרְעֲךָ֙
zar-‘ă-ḵā
your descendantsN-msc | 2ms
3556 [e]כְּכוֹכְבֵ֣י
kə-ḵō-wḵ-ḇê
as the starsPrep-k | N-mpc
8064 [e]הַשָּׁמַ֔יִם
haš-šā-ma-yim,
of the heavenArt | N-mp
2344 [e]וְכַח֕וֹל
wə-ḵa-ḥō-wl
and as the sandConj-w, Prep-k, Art | N-ms
834 [e]אֲשֶׁ֖ר
’ă-šer
which [is]Pro-r
5921 [e]עַל־
‘al-
onPrep
8193 [e]שְׂפַ֣ת
śə-p̄aṯ
the shoreN-fsc
3220 [e]הַיָּ֑ם
hay-yām;
[of] the seaArt | N-ms
3423 [e]וְיִרַ֣שׁ
wə-yi-raš
and shall possessConj-w | V-Qal-ConjImperf-3ms
2233 [e]זַרְעֲךָ֔
zar-‘ă-ḵā,
your descendantsN-msc | 2ms
853 [e]אֵ֖ת
’êṯ
-DirObjM
8179 [e]שַׁ֥עַר
ša-‘ar
the gateN-msc
341 [e]אֹיְבָֽיו׃
’ō-yə-ḇāw.
of their enemiesV-Qal-Prtcpl-mpc | 3ms

Sorry if I missed your point. Are you saying the passage doesn't mention the sand on the shore or something else?
 

Dant01

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Gen 28:15 . . Remember, I am with you: I will protect you wherever you go and
will bring you back to this land. I will not leave you until I have done what I have
promised you.

Hardly any of those promises were fulfilled in Jacob's lifetime. So how could God
say: "I will not leave you until I have done what I have promised you"

Well; I think it best to take it that God remained Jacob's provider even in the grave,
i.e. when God's people pass away, they don't become dead to Him; whereas when
the wicked die, they no longer make any difference; for example:

"As to whether the dead will be raised-- Moses proved this when he wrote about the
burning bush. Long after Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob had died, Moses wrote of The
Lord as the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. So he is the
God of the living, not the dead. They are all alive to him." (Luke 20:37-38)

God has always been with Jacob, and never left him even once-- all these many
years; better than three-thousand of them by now. And all this whole time Jacob
has lived under God's protection because God promised He would protect Jacob
wherever he went; and in order for that promise to be meaningful, it has to include
the afterlife. (cf. Ps 139:7-10, Matt 16:18)


BODY COUNT UPDATE: 668 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 50,179,492 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Feb 04, 2021.
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Dant01

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Rom 8:15-16 . . For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but
you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out: Abba, Father. The Spirit
Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God.

That passage tells of a supernatural close encounter of a third kind, so to speak.

Not every Christian undergoes the experience. For example: adherents of
Catholicism honestly don't know for sure where they stand with God-- we're talking
about something like 1.3 billion people. That number represents a minimum
49% of the world's Christians. It's difficult to tag the number of Protestants because
they are so diverse in their beliefs and practices.


NOTE: Rom 8:15-16 never happened for Mother Teresa. She complained in private
correspondence with spiritual counselors that she felt not the slightest glimmer of
the Lord's presence virtually the entire five decades of missionary work in India;
leading her to wonder if there really is a God out there; and she sometimes spoke
of Jesus as "the absent one".

The Spirit of adoption is supposed to make God's people feel at home; not feel left
out. I don't know what went wrong with Teresa but for sure her spiritual condition
was not good.


BODY COUNT UPDATE: 675 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 50,705,325 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Feb 04, 2021.
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Dant01

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John 6:38 . . I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will
of Him who sent me

John 8:29 . . He that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I
do always those things that please Him.

John 14:31 . . I do exactly what my Father has commanded me.

God is not only Jesus' tutor, but also his role model. For example: the Father has
entrusted all judgment to His son (John 5:22) For that reason, people really ought
to be scared of Christ because he intends to go about the business of judging no
differently than the fire and brimstone practices of the God of the Old Testament,
by whom Jesus has been trained to take the reins.

John 5:19 . . I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do
only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also
does.

John 10:30 . . I and my Father are unified.

Isa 11:4-5 . . He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; with the breath of
his lips he will slay the wicked. Righteousness will be his belt and faithfulness the
sash around his waist.


BODY COUNT UPDATE: 682 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 51,231,158 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Feb 04, 2021.
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Dant01

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Heb 12:29 . . For our God is a consuming fire.

That's a quote from Deut 4:24 which, in context, doesn't describe God's physical
characteristics, rather, it's a figure of speech illustrating rage: defined by Webster's
as violent and uncontrolled anger. It's hard to imagine Christianity's divine patron
ticked off to that extent, but there it is.

* A consuming fire is one that cannot be extinguished, i.e. once it gets going,
there's no stopping till all that's aflame is utterly destroyed beyond recognition, viz:
a conflagration.


BODY COUNT UPDATE: 689 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 51,756,991 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Feb 04, 2021.
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Dant01

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FAQ: Does Matt 25:31-46 depict the final judgment?

REPLY: No; rather it depicts a culling from the herd of Tribulation survivors relative
to their treatment of the Jews during a time of unequaled Anti-Semitism. If the
Jews thought they had it bad in the Holocaust: something worse is yet to come.


BODY COUNT UPDATE: 698 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 52,433,062 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Feb 04, 2021.
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Dant01

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If there is such a thing as soul sleep, I won't know it, here's why:

I've been under anesthesia once for appendicitis, twice for hernias, one for a scalp
lump, once for a kidney stone, twice for total knee replacements, once for a
colonoscopy, once for lung cancer, and once for an endoscopy.

In none of those procedures was I aware of the passage of time. The very moment
I went under was simultaneous with awakening. So if soul sleep is like that, I'll be
in Heaven as if I went from here to there in less than a second of time on the clock,
i.e. instantaneously. The same can be said for folks on track to face justice, i.e.
there will be no delay.


BODY COUNT UPDATE: 705 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 52,958,895 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Feb 04, 2021.
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Dant01

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God has a passion for mercy and generosity; but they're not His only passions.

Rom 11:22 . . Behold then the kindness and severity of God

The human condition is so bad, so corrupt, and so hopeless that only the death of
God's sole descendant is adequate to rescue everybody from the lake of fire
depicted at Rev 20:10-15 where numbers of folks will be terminated with extreme
prejudice by a mode of death akin to a foundry worker falling into a kettle of molten
iron.

Now, who in their right might mind can look at that scene and not come away with
the opinion that it depicts a very cruel and unusual punishment? Why not just put
folks down with an injection so that they softly and gently fall asleep never to wake
up? Wouldn't that be nicer, more humane? Yes that would be nicer and more
humane; but would it satisfy God?

Adam started out in the image of God. So at first, his sense of right and wrong was
in agreement with his creator's sense of right and wrong. Then came the forbidden
fruit incident when Adam's original sense of right was lost and his conscience
became that of a tin god.

Well; that's why many of us cannot appreciate our maker's justice. If we did, we
wouldn't be criticizing Him for the way He intends to punish folks. Instead, we'd be
cheering Him on; like this:

Rev 16:5-7 . .Then I heard the angel in charge of the waters say: You are just in
these judgments: You who are, and who were; the Holy one, because you have so
judged . . .Yes, Lord God Almighty, true and just are your judgments.

* The "Holy one" is none other than God's descendant, i.e. the sweet little babe
away in a manger will be presiding at the great white throne event.

John 5:22-23 . . Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all
judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father.

Acts 17:31 . . He has set a day when He will judge the world with justice by the
man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from the
dead.


BODY COUNT UPDATE: 712 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 53,484,728 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Feb 04, 2021.
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Dant01

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Although many details pertaining to the afterlife are absent in the Old Testament,
Moses and the prophets wrote quite a bit about retribution. Torah-trained Jews
have always known something frightening is in the works. For example:

Ex 34:6-7 . . Then The Lord passed by in front of Moses and proclaimed: The
Lord, The Lord God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in
loving-kindness and truth; who keeps loving-kindness for thousands, who forgives
iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty
unpunished:

Now the big problem with the rich man's brothers per Luke 16:19-31 wasn't related
to knowing: their problem was related to hearing-- common among the Jews.

Matt 13:15 . . For this people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with
their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their
eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal
them.

The writer to the Hebrews said something like that too in 5:11.

"Concerning him we have much to say, and it is hard to explain, since you have
become dull of hearing."

The Greek word for "dull" means lazy, i.e. indifferent. (cf. Heb 6:12)


BODY COUNT UPDATE: 719 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 54,010,561 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Feb 04, 2021.
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Dant01

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Ps 115:17 . .The dead do not praise The Lord, nor do any who go down into
silence.

"any who go down into silence" tells us that certain folks might just as well be mute
in the afterlife because The Lord no longer lends them His ear; they're permanently
cut off from His benevolence, viz: God has no interest whatsoever in either their
worship or their prayers, i.e. they are dead to Him; and as far as He's concerned
they're like old documents disposed in the shredder because they no longer matter.

* It's conceivable that the outer darkness spoken of in the 8th and 22nd chapters of
Matthew is a sort of reiteration of Ps 115:17. In other words: although folks
alienated from God are in a darkness of sorts already; He hasn't totally abandoned
them yet.

Matt 5:44-45 . . I say, love your enemies. Pray for those who persecute you. In
that way, you will be acting as true children of your Father in heaven. For He gives
his sunlight to both the evil and the good, and He sends rain on the just and on the
unjust, too.

Illustrations for Dante's Inferno by the artist Gustave Doré may not be entirely
true, but they sure do a good job of impressing the total and complete absence of
God's benevolence in the netherworld.


BODY COUNT UPDATE: 723 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 54,311,037 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Feb 04, 2021.
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Dant01

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In the beginning; humanity was created with a conscience patterned after its
maker's conscience.

"And God said: Let us make man in our image, after our likeness . . So God created
man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female
created he them." (Gen 1:26-27)

Then came the forbidden fruit incident, wherein humanity's conscience lost its
divine quality and became humanistic.

Then the Lord God said: Behold, the man has become like one of us, knowing good
and evil. (Gen 3:22)

I think most folks would agree that monsters like Kim Jong-Un, Xi Jinping, Robert
Mugabe, Al Capone, drug cartel kingpins, human traffickers, and Joseph Stalin
belong in Hell; but why are decent folk down there?

Well; obviously humanity's moral compass points to a different north than their
maker's, viz: sometimes what's justifiable in humanity's reasoning isn't justifiable
at all to God; and the bar is set pretty high. (Rom 3:23)

There's a rather humorous scene in Dante's Inferno where these two guys who
knew each other in life are quarreling over who deserves Hell more than the other;
which is pretty silly when it's considered that both are in the same place and on the
same level.

I rather suspect that quite a few folks sincerely believe God has made a big mistake
sending them down there. In their judicious estimation; others deserve it for sure,
but not them.


BODY COUNT UPDATE: 726 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 54,311,037 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Feb 04, 2021.
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