Hell's Daily Body Count

Dant01

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Judas goats are trained for use in slaughterhouses and herd control. In stockyards,
they lead sheep to slaughter; and are also used to lead other animals to specific
pens and on to trucks. The term is a reference to the biblical traitor Judas Iscariot.

The phrase has also been used to describe goats utilized to locate feral goats
targeted for eradication. They're usually outfitted with a transmitter, painted in red
and then released. The goats then locate the remaining herds of feral goats,
allowing hunters with tracking devices to find and exterminate them. The red paint
marks the goat with the transmitter so the hunters know which one not to shoot.

You know what can be even worse than going to hell? Your own children following
you there: and they trusted you.

Here's a sort of cute story I heard once. I don't know if it's true but I guess it's
probable.

A farmer went out to the barn in the dead of night after a snowfall to sneak a pull
from his secret liquor bottle. Just as he got to the barn door he heard something
behind him. Turning, the farmer recognized his little boy coming towards him. In
amazement he asked the little guy how he ever managed to find his way out to the
barn in the dark. His son replied: It was easy; I walked in your footprints.

One can only imagine the anguish that parents in the netherworld must feel
knowing that they inadvertently raised their children in an ideology that led them
down a road to the infernal regions and all the while sincerely believing themselves
doing the right thing. In other words: they actually Judas-goated their children to
follow mom and dad down there. For some families, the only thing they have to
look forward to in the afterlife is a sad reunion in fire and despair.


BODY COUNT UPDATE: 23 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 1,727,737 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Feb 04, 2021.
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Dant01

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Eph 1:4-5 . .He chose us in Christ before the foundation of the world, that we
should be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as
sons through Jesus Christ to Himself,

Predestination isn't random; it's typically always the consequence of foreknowledge.
In other words: God has always known, from the very beginning, by means of
precognition, who will, and who won't, come to faith in His son. And seeing as how
He had that information at hand early on, then it was safe and practical to go ahead
and establish their adoption in advance seeing as how it's a sure thing.

When I was old enough to do some of my own thinking; I asked my mother this
question: If God already knows everything that I will ever think, say, or do my
whole life; then how do I have free will?

Mom was stumped; she didn't know.

Well, the thing is, as I found out later; by means of precognition God already knows
everything that I will ever think, say, or do my whole life but that doesn't mean
that my entire life is all programmed like a script or a screenplay for me to act out.

I'd not be surprised if God has groaned within Himself numerous times as He
watched me make one mistake after another, and commit sin after sin in thought,
word, and deed. But at least God has the comfort of knowing that my blundering is
temporary. Once my regeneration is complete, I'll be someone that the Father can
be proud of,

Rom 8:29 . . For whom He did foreknow, He also did predestinate to be
conformed to the image of His son.


BODY COUNT UPDATE: 26 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 1,953,094 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Feb 04, 2021.
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Dant01

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Luke 16:25 . . Abraham said: Son, remember

I should think that one of the negative aspects of perdition is memory. How people
down there retain their memories sans the brain cells they left behind with their
corpse, I don't know; but they do, just as the rich man in that story is able to
experience thirst sans a flesh and blood tongue. Apparently God has some sort of
file transfer protocol that silicon valley has yet to discover.

The older one gets, the more memories they accumulate, and many of those
memories haunt us with terrible regret. However, people down below not only have
to cope with their bad memories, but also the good ones too, and I should think it's
remembering the good things they enjoyed in life that makes their situation only
worse in the heat.

If everybody was born and raised in an oven; and never once ventured out; that
would be the only life they've ever known, so they wouldn't have a clue what it's
like to really live. For them the old maxim "Ignorance is bliss" would certainly hold
true.


BODY COUNT UPDATE: 29 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 2,178,451 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Feb 04, 2021.
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Dant01

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Gen 6:5 . . God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that
every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

The thoughts of the heart are somewhat different than the thoughts that go
through the mind; and are often blocked out, viz: "repressed"; defined as a mental
process by which distressing thoughts, memories, or impulses that may give rise to
anxiety are excluded from consciousness and left to operate in the unconscious, i.e.
the subconscious which, in Freud's opinion, is a repository for socially unacceptable
ideas, wishes or desires, traumatic memories, and painful emotions.

Matt 15:19 . . Out of the heart proceed evil thoughts

So then, it's not how your mind works that defines you, no, it's how your core of your
inner being works that really defines you; and a man's core is easily capable of
hoodwinking his own consciousness.

Jer 17:9 . .The human heart is most deceitful and desperately wicked. Who really
knows how bad it is?

God is able to peer into the heart's contents. That means He will be confronting
people with things about themselves that they suppressed and kept under wraps all
their lives; and that's why I sometimes say only a fool would take their chances
with God. They have no clue the extent of the psychological tsunami they're
walking into.


BODY COUNT UPDATE: 32 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 2,403,808 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Feb 04, 2021.
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JAG

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Gen 6:5 . . God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that
every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

The thoughts of the heart are somewhat different than the thoughts that go
through the mind; and are often blocked out, viz: "repressed"; defined as a mental
process by which distressing thoughts, memories, or impulses that may give rise to
anxiety are excluded from consciousness and left to operate in the unconscious, i.e.
the subconscious which, in Freud's opinion, is a repository for socially unacceptable
ideas, wishes or desires, traumatic memories, and painful emotions.

Matt 15:19 . . Out of the heart proceed evil thoughts

So then, it's not how your mind works that defines you, no, it's how your core of your
inner being works that really defines you; and a man's core is easily capable of
hoodwinking his own consciousness.

Jer 17:9 . .The human heart is most deceitful and desperately wicked. Who really
knows how bad it is?

God is able to peer into the heart's contents. That means He will be confronting
people with things about themselves that they suppressed and kept under wraps all
their lives; and that's why I sometimes say only a fool would take their chances
with God. They have no clue the extent of the psychological tsunami they're
walking into.


BODY COUNT UPDATE: 32 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 2,403,808 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Feb 04, 2021.
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"They have no clue the extent of the psychological tsunami they're
walking into."__Dant01
■ An interesting -- actually fascinating metaphor
■ The word "tsunami" is probably an accurate description of what
those that refuse to believe in the Lord Jesus will experience -- they
will experience the perish of John 3:16. I do not know what that
will be like -- but the Lord Jesus said there'd be weeping and
gnashing of teeth -- so whatever it is, they will not like it.

JAG


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Dant01

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There was a time when everyone went to the netherworld when they passed away:
Jesus too because when he passed away on the cross; Jesus didn't go up, rather,
he went down. (Matt 12:40, John 20:17, Acts 7:25-31).

When we take into consideration everybody who ever lived and died on this planet
beginning with Adam until the day when people started going to heaven; then we're
talking about a very large number of people. How did they all fit in the netherworld
without overcrowding?

Well; it's evident that people exist in the afterlife as disembodied spirits. (Heb
12:22-23, 1Pet 3:18-20)

The feral man of Mark 5:1-13 and Luke 8:26-33 was possessed by a community of
evil spirits who labeled themselves Legion. Webster's defines a legion as the
principal unit of the Roman army comprising 3,000 to 6,000 foot soldiers with
cavalry.

The legion of spirits that Christ exorcised from the man went out and possessed a
herd of about 2,000 swine. That's a pretty good example of how spirits take up no
room in the physical world; nor do they crowd each other. All 3,000-6,000 of those
spirits managed to fit inside the bodily cargo area of just that one man.

That being the case, then the netherworld need not be a void. People can exist
down there in solid rock because spirits don't need space, they just need a place.


NOTE: Any attempt to drill down to the heart of the Earth in search of the
netherworld would likely be futile because it isn't a physical world, rather, it's a
supernatural world. Drilling could, and would, pass right through the very center of
the netherworld and still not find it.


BODY COUNT UPDATE: 35 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 2,629,165 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Feb 04, 2021.
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Dant01

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OBJECTION: Hell doesn't make sense that a loving God would torment people in a
fiery prison forever and ever.


RESPONSE: I fully agree that it makes no sense at all. But then human sensibilities
are produced by a 3-pound lump of flabby organic tissue; and not even all three of
those pounds are devoted to cognitive processes. On top of that, those three
pounds are 60% fat. That fatty, flabby, organic tissue can alter one's personality
with little more than an aneurism or a blow to the head.

Just how sensible can a fatty, flabby, organic sense really be compared to the sense
of a supernatural being with enough intelligence to invent, design, and construct a
fully functioning cosmos with all of its forms of life, matter, and energy? A fatty,
flabby, organic sense isn't even a dunce in comparison: it's a sub dunce; if even
that.

1 Cor 3:20 . .The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are empty.

Well; that's certainly not a very flattering evaluation. It's as much as saying that, in
God's opinion, the smartest among humanity basically consists of air heads; and if
that's His evaluation of the best and brightest, then where does God rank those of
us with an average IQ?


BODY COUNT UPDATE: 38 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 2,854,522 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Feb 04, 2021.
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Dant01

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The wrath of God is interesting. For example:

Isa 13:9 . . Behold, the day of Christ comes-- cruel; with both wrath and fierce
anger

The Hebrew word for "wrath" in that statement is 'ebrah (eb-raw') which indicates
an outburst of passion. In other words: the wrath of God won't be weeping big wet
crocodile tears while it's slamming the dead at the Great White Throne event
depicted at Rev 20:11-15; no, they will be terminated with extreme prejudice; viz:
their judgment will be administered with choler. (cf. Isa 63:1-6, Rev 19:15)

Webster's defines "fierce" as a behavior exhibited by humans and animals that
inspires terror because of the wild and menacing aspect of fury in attack. Ferocity is
an aspect commonly seen among roaring, snarling lions savagely attacking prey.
There's neither sportsmanship nor sympathy in ferocity; only sheer terror, brutality,
and blood lust.

"cruel" is defined as: disposed to inflict pain or suffering; viz: devoid of humane
feelings

Heb 10:27 . . A certain fearful expectation of . . . fiery indignation

"fiery indignation" is quite a bit more severe than ordinary indignation. It speaks of
someone who is seriously ticked off; and so angry that they're actually red in the
face.

There are people out there in pews all around the world who have been so coddled
by sappy versions of Christianity that they have no concept of the magnitude of the
lethal tsunami of rage and violence coming their way to get them.

Another interesting aspect of the wrath of God is the person appointed to
administer it-- none other than the sweet little baby away in a manger.

John 5:22-23 . .The Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the
Son, that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father.

Acts 17:31 . . For God has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by
the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to all men by raising him from
the dead.

Rev 19:15 . . He shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treads the winepress
of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.


BODY COUNT UPDATE: 41 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 3,079,879 new arrivals have
checked into the fiery sector of Hades since Feb 04, 2021.
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Dant01

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2Thess 2:11-12 . . God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe
the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had
pleasure in unrighteousness.

In other words: there's coming a time when God's patience will reach its reasonable
limits, and He will purposely, willfully, and deliberately make sure that a certain
category of people have no chance whatsoever to be spared the wrath of God.

Back when Noah was preparing the ark, no doubt his neighbors all mocked and
poked fun at him as if he were a deranged soul going around with a sandwich board
that reads: Repent; The End Is Near! But when the rain started, I bet those very
same neighbors panicked and tried to get Noah to open up and let them in. But
even had Noah wanted to; he couldn't. The hatch of the ark was sealed from the
outside: and God was the only one on earth who could open it-- He chose not to.

Rev 1:18 . . I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive
forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

Rev 3:7 . .These are the words of him who is holy and true: who holds the key of
David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.


BODY COUNT UPDATE: 44 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
in post No.1 are in the ball park, then something like 3,305,236 new arrivals have
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Dant01

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Acts 2:31a . . his soul was not left in hades

Classical hades is divided into sections where the souls of the dead are assigned in
accordance with the quality of their pre-death existence. The worst section is a
deep abyss called Tartarus; which is utilized in the New Testament at 2Pet 2:4.

According to Luke 23:13, Jesus' soul waited for his body's recovery in the better
section of hades.

Acts 2:31 . . neither his flesh did see corruption.

Jesus' corpse was packed in spices but to my knowledge, not embalmed. Had it
been allowed to remain deceased longer than three days, decay would've set in.
(John 11:39.


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Dant01

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A forgiven sinner is still sinful, and they'll go right on sinning same as before they
were forgiven unless they undergo a radical re-design because human nature is
intrinsically bad.

Gen 6:5 . .Yhvh saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and
that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.

Gen 8:21 . . Man's thoughts and actions are bent toward evil from childhood.

Jer 13:23 . . Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard its spots? Then may
you also do good who are accustomed to do evil.

Eph 2:3 . .We were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

John 3:7 . .You should not be surprised at my saying: you must be born
again.


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Dant01

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Rev 20:14 . . Death was cast into the lake of fire.

Death isn't tangible. It's not an object; it isn't material, i.e. death per se has no
weight, has no dimensions, and takes up no space. I can understand throwing a
baseball or a javelin; but how does one throw something like death?

Is it like throwing good money after bad, throwing your weight around, or throwing
someone to the wolves? I can understand those kinds of throwing; I get it; but Rev
20:14 remains a bit of a mystery because the lake of fire does not appear abstract;
it appears tangible whereas death is not. How does one connect something tangible
with something intangible?

What if Rev 20:14 were to say poverty was cast into the lake of fire, or injustice, or
male pattern baldness, or tooth decay, or misandry, or somebody's name? How
would one go about throwing things like those into the lake?

The first mention of death in the Bible is related to the tree of the knowledge of
good and evil. Did Adam pass away the very day that he tasted the fruit? No, he
continued to live for quite a few years. However, he lost immortality. In other
words; the day Adam tasted the fruit he began to age, and it was only a matter of
time till the wasting process finally broke him down to the point where his body
could no longer keep going.

1Cor 15:53-55 speaks of a victory over the wasting process. So I think we may
safely conclude that the death spoken of in Rev 20:14 has at least something to do
with mortality. But how does one throw mortality? Is it sort of like throwing babies
out with the bath water, or throwing a hissy fit?

1Cor 15:25-27 . . For he must reign until God has put all His enemies under his
feet. The last enemy that will be conquered is death. For God has put all things in
subjection under his feet.

Some translations say that death will be either abolished or destroyed. But in
context, it's not supposed to be wiped out to extinction. Death is supposed to be
deposed and vanquished; and become Christ's slave just like everything and
everybody else.

Rev 1:17-19 . . I am the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive for
evermore, and I have the keys of Death and of Hades.

The casting of death into the lake of fire suggests to me its involuntary exile, i.e. its
banishment because in the future cosmos and the new Jerusalem depicted in the
21st chapter of Revelation, no one will have death to fear ever again and the only
place we'll be able to find anything at all related to death, and or categorized as
death, will be confined, stored, warehoused, restrained, incarcerated, and/or
archived in that fiery impound.

Rev 21:3-4 . . I heard a great voice out of heaven saying: Behold, the tabernacle
of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and
God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears
from their eyes; and there shall be no more death.


BODY COUNT UPDATE: 54 days have elapsed since beginning the thread. If the figures
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Dant01

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Probably the first thing that most of us think of when we hear the word "Hell" is
everlasting torture. But the reservoir of burning sulfur depicted at Rev 20:10-15 is
actually not so much a rack as it is a gallows. The reservoir is primarily an
instrument for carrying out death sentences rather than life sentences.

A death sentence-- although a sentence with lasting effects --isn't perpetual; it's
momentary. In other words: criminals are subjected to execution only long enough
to end their lives.

The primary reason we call the second death "eternal" is because it's permanent;
viz: according to Dan 12:2 and John 5:28-29 there's only one resurrection allotted
per person. Therefore nobody is coming back from the second death because they
will have used up their one resurrection in order to face justice at the Great White
Throne event.


NOTE: People walk away alive from the fire spoken of at 1Cor 3:5-15. Nobody walks
away alive from the fire spoken of at Rev 20:10-15.


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Dant01

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COMMON ATTITUDE: I'm special; God understands me. Although He probably may
not let others off; I'm sure God will make an exception for me because I'm not like
other people; I'm different.


RESPONSE: Unfortunately, the Bible's God can't do that. If He were to make
exceptions, God would be neither equitable, nor honest-- and worse, it would go
against His grain, compromise His integrity, sin against His conscience; and cause
Him to lose the world's respect. No, God doesn't grade on a curve: everyone is
treated equally in God's courtroom. In a system of divine absolutes; there is neither
a curve nor an exception: nobody gets any favors, nobody is special, and nobody is
a protected species.

Deut 10:17 . . Yhvh shows no partiality and accepts no bribes.

Acts 10:34 . .Then Peter began to speak: I now realize how true it is that God is
impartial.

Rom 2:5-11 . . For there is coming a day of judgment when God, the just judge
of all the world, will judge all people according to what they have done. He will give
eternal life to those who persist in doing what is good, seeking after the glory and
honor and immortality that God offers.

. . . But he will pour out his anger and wrath on those who live for themselves, who
refuse to obey the truth; and practice evil deeds. There will be anguish and
calamity for everyone who practices evil-- for the Jew first and also for the Gentile.
But there will be glory and honor and peace from God for all practice good --for the
Jew first and also for the Gentile. For God does not show favoritism.


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Dant01

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FAQ: Doesn't the Bible say that God's mercy endures forever as per Ps 100:5, Ps
106:1, Ps 107:1, and Ps 118:1, et al?


A: God's mercy is always available; but His good sense knows when to say "when".
Examples of that are the people swept away by the hand of God in the Flood, and
those burned to death by the hand of God in Sodom and Gomorrah; and the
firstborn of man and beast slain by the hand of God on Passover night in Egypt.

It's possible to push God too far. For example:

Hos 4:17 . . Ephraim is joined to idols; let him alone.

In other words: God instructed the prophet Hosea not to bother preaching in
Ephraim. They were too far gone. (cf. 2Thess 2:10-12)


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