Hitler Slavery and Abortion

[Nedsk]

And the reason people like Hitler succeed is that your god doesn't step in and enforce the rights he supposedly grants to all the victims.

I'm sure the 10+million Holocaust casualities are enjoying their god-given right to life.

That's irrelevant and just sounds like your personal hated. I don't really give a spit about your hated.

And the allies who destroyed him before he could do more damage are the heroes you will never be.

 

[Eightcrackers]

Its given to me from God.

"So? I don't recognize it. In fact, I don't even believe in your god."

What then?

I take whatever steps necessary to try and retrieve my rights.

SO DO I.
I don't care that you think my basis for doing so is not "justified".

Tell me right come form man isn't a guarantee i get my right either so the corpse thing is stupidity.

I never said it was.
I'm pointing out that assuming and claiming that one's rights come from a god is not a guarantee.

 

[Eightcrackers]

That's irrelevant and just sounds like your personal hated.

I did not introduce Hitler into the argument.

And the allies who destroyed him before he could do more damage are the heroes you will never be.

Human allies.
Not a god in sight.

 

[Temujin]

Its given to me from God.

I take whatever steps necessary to try and retrieve my rights. Might I die in doing so? Yes. Am I acting justly in trying to retrieve what was unjustly stolen? Yes

Tell me right come form man isn't a guarantee i get my right either so the corpse thing is stupidity.

I fine is European, one knows that one's rights are granted by man, by the efforts to democratise governments, depose tyrants and fight for rights of ordinary people. In America, you have exactly the same process (thirty years or so behind everyone else) but you claim your rights come from God. They don't. They come from people brazen enough to claim that God spoke through them, and stupid enough to believe it. God given rights means nothing. Practically, or theoretically. It is just propaganda shoved into writing by people who kept slaves. Rights are just the same as the protections you have under law, no more, no less, and owning a gun doesn't affect them in the slightest.

 

[Eightcrackers]

I fine is European, one knows that one's rights are granted by man, by the efforts to democratise governments, depose tyrants and fight for rights of ordinary people. In America, you have exactly the same process (thirty years or so behind everyone else) but you claim your rights come from God. They don't. They come from people brazen enough to claim that God spoke through them, and stupid enough to believe it. God given rights means nothing. Practically, or theoretically. It is just propaganda shoved into writing by people who kept slaves. Rights are just the same as the protections you have under law, no more, no less, and owning a gun doesn't affect them in the slightest.

If a human can take a away a right that comes from a god, where's the benefit of its coming from a god?

 

[Nedsk]

I fine is European, one knows that one's rights are granted by man, by the efforts to democratise governments, depose tyrants and fight for rights of ordinary people. In America, you have exactly the same process (thirty years or so behind everyone else) but you claim your rights come from God. They don't. They come from people brazen enough to claim that God spoke through them, and stupid enough to believe it. God given rights means nothing. Practically, or theoretically. It is just propaganda shoved into writing by people who kept slaves. Rights are just the same as the protections you have under law, no more, no less, and owning a gun doesn't affect them in the slightest.

Not they are only protected by man. That's what the thinking people amongst us knows.

 

[Eightcrackers]

Not they are only protected by man. That's what the thinking people amongst us knows.

In what way are they protected by a god?

What does this god manifestly do to protect them?

 

[BMS]

I fine is European, one knows that one's rights are granted by man, by the efforts to democratise governments, depose tyrants and fight for rights of ordinary people. In America, you have exactly the same process (thirty years or so behind everyone else) but you claim your rights come from God. They don't. They come from people brazen enough to claim that God spoke through them, and stupid enough to believe it. God given rights means nothing. Practically, or theoretically. It is just propaganda shoved into writing by people who kept slaves. Rights are just the same as the protections you have under law, no more, no less, and owning a gun doesn't affect them in the slightest.

The unborn hasnt got any rights with hunans in the west yet you seem to be implying they do. Not sure what you believe
The Biblical testimony of God tells us the love of many will grow cold and people will call good evil and evil good. ...

 

[BMS]

If a human can take a away a right that comes from a god, where's the benefit of its coming from a god?

Salvation and eternity where there are no more tears and suffering.
Now, you asked us for the benefit, so dont bother with your opinion

 

[Temujin]

Not they are only protected by man. That's what the thinking people amongst us knows.

I think we may as well argue about angels dancing on a pin. Whether rights come from God or man, makes no difference, as men give them and take them away. Whether they are protected by God or by men makes no difference as God has never showed up to protect anything or anyone. There are very many people who fought and died to preserve the rights of others, without believing in God. God is an unnecessary distraction to the rights debate. People should have rights because they are people, not because a God that relatively few believe in, granted them. There is no evidence that God granted rights, or that He even exists to be able to do so. As was said a long way upstream, abortion is not a religious issue. Neither are human rights.

 

[Nedsk]

I think we may as well argue about angels dancing on a pin. Whether rights come from God or man, makes no difference, as men give them and take them away. Whether they are protected by God or by men makes no difference as God has never showed up to protect anything or anyone. There are very many people who fought and died to preserve the rights of others, without believing in God. God is an unnecessary distraction to the rights debate. People should have rights because they are people, not because a God that relatively few believe in, granted them. There is no evidence that God granted rights, or that He even exists to be able to do so. As was said a long way upstream, abortion is not a religious issue. Neither are human rights.

I never argue religion even though it guides my decision making.

I think some people confuse protecting rights with endowing rights. I'm sorry but I dealt with another poster today who is also not an American and have been through this already today so I have no inclination for lengthy reads or responses.

Maybe America is unique in this regard but the declaration of independence states it is self evident that our rights come from the creator and not king George. Natural law dictates the rights humans have that have been endowed upon them and again this is self evident.

I hope you can see why relying solely on men for our rights is a dangerous situation

 

[Eightcrackers]

I think some people confuse protecting rights with endowing rights.

If a right is not protected, the source of the endowment is irrelevant.

An unprotected right is stopped watch; it can be a Rolex, if you think it comes from a god, but a stopped Rolex is still a stopped watch.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

"Put it there" requires intent.
Accidental pregnancies are not intended.

You can't furnish a single accidental pregnancy case. Zero.

Ovulation is NOT accidental. Male ejaculation is also not accidental.

Most of American beef comes from spring cow-calf operations. intentional breeding

You miss out so often on learning opportunities.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

Good grief is spamming really all you can do? Do you know how out of date this is?

Can't mask your insecurities?

Are you incapable of learning and moving on? If you want to waste your time cut and pasting failed and out of date arguments then you might as well argue for a flat earth and faked moon landings.

You are limited to emotional reactions with NO science, jailor.

The SLED model is rubbish. A basket case of strawmen and falsehoods. I am genuinely surprised that you are still taken in by it. I am not surprised that you are incapable of defending it.

You are a discredited medical professional outsider.

None of your twaddle comes from OB docs and OB nurses who do their profession for a living.

Not a single one goes to an atheist jailor for information , ever.

 

[Eightcrackers]

You can't furnish a single accidental pregnancy case. Zero.

Any unintended pregnancy is accidental.

Ovulation is NOT accidental. Male ejaculation is also not accidental.

Unintended = accidental.
Hence the contrast between "accidental" and "on purpose".

Most of American beef comes from spring cow-calf operations. intentional breeding

Thanks for proving my point.

 

[Eightcrackers]

I hope you can see why relying solely on men for our rights is a dangerous situation

A danger that's not avoided by appealing to a god.

q.v. the murder rate in your country, vs mine - your "god-given" right to life doesn't seem to be mitigating the danger of being killed by humans, does it...

 

[BMS]

I think we may as well argue about angels dancing on a pin. Whether rights come from God or man, makes no difference, as men give them and take them away. Whether they are protected by God or by men makes no difference as God has never showed up to protect anything or anyone. There are very many people who fought and died to preserve the rights of others, without believing in God. God is an unnecessary distraction to the rights debate. People should have rights because they are people, not because a God that relatively few believe in, granted them. There is no evidence that God granted rights, or that He even exists to be able to do so. As was said a long way upstream, abortion is not a religious issue. Neither are human rights.

We may well argue that human beings are still messing things up, as God says, and we need the salvation He has provided

 

[BMS]

Can't mask your insecurities?



You are limited to emotional reactions with NO science, jailor.


You are a discredited medical professional outsider.

None of your twaddle comes from OB docs and OB nurses who do their profession for a living.

Not a single one goes to an atheist jailor for information , ever.

He has put me on ignore.. they do that when posters simply wont let then get their way

 

[Yakuda]

We may well argue that human beings are still messing things up, as God says, and we need the salvation He has provided

Yeah that poster is angry with me because I wont pretend to be their secretary