Holy Scripture . . . . Infallibility . . . . and the Roman Catholic Pope

According to the RCC, with infallibility belonging solely to the Roman Catholic Pope, is he subject to Scripture?
No, that's actually you Protestants that claim that you are subject to scripture since it is your only authority. But of course, this is complete nonsense since there are now thousands of different contradicting Protestant sects each one being based on its founder's private, individual interpretation of scripture.

But Protestants claim that the Holy Ghost will assist them in their interpretations of scripture, which is completely false, otherwise there would not be thousands of contradicting sects. Actually every Protestant is their own denomination since they each have their own interpretation of scripture and you can't find two of them that believe the same things.
 

mica

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No, that's actually you Protestants that claim that you are subject to scripture since it is your only authority. But of course, this is complete nonsense since there are now thousands of different contradicting Protestant sects each one being based on its founder's private, individual interpretation of scripture.
I don't think most of those that catholics claim to be protestant are believers. they don't claim the bible is their authority.

so unbelieving prots are much like catholics.


But Protestants claim that the Holy Ghost will assist them in their interpretations of scripture,
not all prots, just those who are believers. tho others might claim that (just as catholics do) but they do not. the pope (and / or magisterium) is not the Holy Spirit.

which is completely false, otherwise there would not be thousands of contradicting sects. Actually every Protestant is their own denomination since they each have their own interpretation of scripture and you can't find two of them that believe the same things.
there aren't 1000s of sects of believers. we're all part of His church, His body.

you can if they're believers...
 

balshan

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According to the RCC, with infallibility belonging solely to the Roman Catholic Pope, is he subject to Scripture?
Let me see a man said I am infallible in certain circumstances and my saying I am is an infallible statement. There is a problem for them because self declaration shows there is no such thing as a man being infallible with his cronies in certain circumstance. It is not biblical at all.

Why would a RC pope be subject to scripture, I think we are subject to God not scripture. But the pope it seems is not to be subject to God nor does he follow scripture which by their own catechism is the Word of God.

We know they ignore God's word when it suits, they change words in God's word to suit themselves and they play with God's word to suit themselves.

Examples:

1. Stopping a person marrying is the doctrine of demons - is ignored.
2. Church discipline of expelling sexual sinners or fleeing from them - is ignored.
3. They change the fact that RC divorcing to they get an annulment. Thus changing the fact that Jesus said do not divorce except for one circumstance. God is not fooled.
4. God says not to worship graven images etc. It is ignored.
5. They pray to the dead and try to con people by saying they are not dead. But they are dead to us living in this plane. All dead people are either living in heaven or hell. So they are playing with scripture. God is not fooled.
6. They add to scripture with doctrines, one being the PV which is a myth based on a book that is fraudulent.

These are just a few examples of taking the place of God and changing His word to suit themselves.
 
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balshan

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No, that's actually you Protestants that claim that you are subject to scripture since it is your only authority. But of course, this is complete nonsense since there are now thousands of different contradicting Protestant sects each one being based on its founder's private, individual interpretation of scripture.

But Protestants claim that the Holy Ghost will assist them in their interpretations of scripture, which is completely false, otherwise there would not be thousands of contradicting sects. Actually every Protestant is their own denomination since they each have their own interpretation of scripture and you can't find two of them that believe the same things.
Really you can talk you contradict you own denomination and are just a sect of it. You have no pope and therefore no line of succession.
 

jonathan_hili

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According to the RCC, with infallibility belonging solely to the Roman Catholic Pope, is he subject to Scripture?
That's not correct.

Church Councils also exercise infallibility, as does the ordinary magisterium of the Church. Furthermore, the authors of scripture would have exercised infallibility as well when they wrote the texts of the Bible.
 

mica

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That's not correct.

Church Councils also exercise infallibility, as does the ordinary magisterium of the Church. Furthermore, the authors of scripture would have exercised infallibility as well when they wrote the texts of the Bible.
the writers were not infallible (no need to exercise what doesn't exist). the Holy Spirit Who inspired their writings is infallible.
 

jonathan_hili

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the writers were not infallible (no need to exercise what doesn't exist). the Holy Spirit Who inspired their writings is infallible.
But doesn't that mean they were infallible while writing them? The same thing is believed about the pope - he is not infallible because of anything regarding his own nature but because of a charism of the Spirit that protects him from teaching error in faith and morals when defining doctrines for the Church.
 

ding

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According to the RCC, with infallibility belonging solely to the Roman Catholic Pope, is he subject to Scripture?
The Pope through the guidance of the Holy Spirit determines the contents of scripture. So since it is through the guidance of the Holy Spirit that we know the contents of scripture the Pope is subject to scripture.
 

balshan

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The Pope through the guidance of the Holy Spirit determines the contents of scripture. So since it is through the guidance of the Holy Spirit that we know the contents of scripture the Pope is subject to scripture.
Prove he has the guidance of the Holy Spirit. You cannot. You have the fact that most popes were disgustingly evil and the Holy Spirit would not touch them with a ten foot badge pole. The Holy Spirit would not do false add ons to scripture or do the RCC word games.
 

ding

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Prove he has the guidance of the Holy Spirit. You cannot. You have the fact that most popes were disgustingly evil and the Holy Spirit would not touch them with a ten foot badge pole. The Holy Spirit would not do false add ons to scripture or do the RCC word games.
What is the basis then for accepting the contents of scripture as the inspired word of God?
 

balshan

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What is the basis then for accepting the contents of scripture as the inspired word of God?
For a start the OT was accepted for centuries as scripture but not the extra books. For the NT we will start with the fact Peter was very happy to accept Paul's writings and he makes up a big chunk of scripture. But it is not because of your institution, it was accepted and circulating before your institution became the Roman religion.

What is the basis for your institution not accepting the contents but saying the do? You just showed by diverting that you cannot prove your pope is guided by the Holy Spirit. I showed why he wasn't and you offered me nothing but a diversion. This shows your inability to back up your beliefs with anything at all. Your fallible pope has nothing to do with scripture being accepted, that is just a figment of some old guy's imagination that he does. No it is accepted because God works in believers showing them reality of His kingdom, not in some evil old man.
 

Hibernian

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No, that's actually you Protestants that claim that you are subject to scripture since it is your only authority. But of course, this is complete nonsense since there are now thousands of different contradicting Protestant sects each one being based on its founder's private, individual interpretation of scripture.

But Protestants claim that the Holy Ghost will assist them in their interpretations of scripture, which is completely false, otherwise there would not be thousands of contradicting sects. Actually every Protestant is their own denomination since they each have their own interpretation of scripture and you can't find two of them that believe the same things.
I beg to differ. It's the Roman Catholics who disagree with Protestants and they disagree much moreso with Protestants than Protestants disagree with each other.

Roman Catholic doctrines are the ones which contradict.
 
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Hibernian

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That's not correct.

Church Councils also exercise infallibility, as does the ordinary magisterium of the Church. Furthermore, the authors of scripture would have exercised infallibility as well when they wrote the texts of the Bible.

That's like saying you can do it because Jesus could do it, so you can walk on water.
 

Hibernian

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No, that's actually you Protestants that claim that you are subject to scripture since it is your only authority. But of course, this is complete nonsense since there are now thousands of different contradicting Protestant sects each one being based on its founder's private, individual interpretation of scripture.

But Protestants claim that the Holy Ghost will assist them in their interpretations of scripture, which is completely false, otherwise there would not be thousands of contradicting sects. Actually every Protestant is their own denomination since they each have their own interpretation of scripture and you can't find two of them that believe the same things.
So how do 4 or 5 different opinions make your opinion correct, considering that your opinion would be a 6th one?
 

Hibernian

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No, that's actually you Protestants that claim that you are subject to scripture since it is your only authority. But of course, this is complete nonsense since there are now thousands of different contradicting Protestant sects each one being based on its founder's private, individual interpretation of scripture.

But Protestants claim that the Holy Ghost will assist them in their interpretations of scripture, which is completely false, otherwise there would not be thousands of contradicting sects. Actually every Protestant is their own denomination since they each have their own interpretation of scripture and you can't find two of them that believe the same things.
So you will agree that the pope is in the same position as you describe regarding Protestants? A Roman Catholic doesn't have to be correct simply because he contradicts a Protestant.
 

jonathan_hili

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That's like saying you can do it because Jesus could do it, so you can walk on water.
No... it's saying that infallibility has often been exercised within the Church and is not the sole domain of the bishop of Rome.

By the way, Jesus did tell his disciples they would do greater works than him.
 
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