How did the early church interpret Matthew 28:19

cawalls

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Matthew 28:19, Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
How did the early church interpret Jesus' command to baptize? I think I'm safe in saying that all Christians would agree that the Apostles in the first century were correct in how they fulfilled Jesus' command to baptize.

Acts 2:38, Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. In this scripture Peter said to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Was Peter correct in how he baptized about three thousand people on the day of Pentecost?

Acts 8:16, for still He had come on none of them. They were only baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. In Acts 8:12 we see that Philip the Evangelist was the one who baptized those in Samaria. Was Philip correct in how he baptized the believers in Samaria?

Acts 10:48, So he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Peter baptized Cornelius, the centurion and his household. Was Peter correct in how he baptized Cornelius and his household?

Acts 19:5, When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Paul baptized these believers, was Paul correct in how he baptized those in Ephesus?

It can not be disputed that the Apostles and Philip the Evangelist baptized believers in the name of Jesus. There are no examples in scripture of believers being baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. It is obvious that the Apostles baptized believers in how they interpreted the command of Jesus to baptize.

The historical record:
Britannica Encyclopedia, 11th Edition, Volume 3, page 365, Baptism was changed from the name of Jesus to words, Father, Son and Holy Ghost in 2nd
Century.
Canney Encyclopedia of Religion, page 53, The early church baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until the second century. Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion, Volume 2, Christian baptism was administered using the words, "in the name of Jesus." page 377. Baptism was always in the name of Jesus until the time of Justin Martyr, page 389.
Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume 2, page 263, Here the authors acknowledged that the baptismal formula was changed by their church.
Schaff, Herzog Religious Encyclopedia, Volume 1, page 435, The New Testament knows only the baptism in the name of Jesus.
Hastings Dictionary of the Bible, page 88, It must be acknowledged that the three fold name of Matthew 28:19 does not appear to have been used by the primitive church, but rather in the name of Jesus, Jesus Christ, or Lord Jesus.

Acts 4:10-12, be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands before you whole. He is the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone. There is no salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

Colossians 3:17, And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.

Scripture tells us that Jesus is the only name giving for salvation and whatever we do, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Were the Apostles, Paul, and the Evangelist Philip correct or incorrect in how they baptized using only the name of the Lord Jesus?

God bless
 
Matthew 28:19, Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
How did the early church interpret Jesus' command to baptize? I think I'm safe in saying that all Christians would agree that the Apostles in the first century were correct in how they fulfilled Jesus' command to baptize.

Acts 2:38, Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. In this scripture Peter said to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Was Peter correct in how he baptized about three thousand people on the day of Pentecost?

Acts 8:16, for still He had come on none of them. They were only baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. In Acts 8:12 we see that Philip the Evangelist was the one who baptized those in Samaria. Was Philip correct in how he baptized the believers in Samaria?

Acts 10:48, So he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Peter baptized Cornelius, the centurion and his household. Was Peter correct in how he baptized Cornelius and his household?

Acts 19:5, When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Paul baptized these believers, was Paul correct in how he baptized those in Ephesus?

It can not be disputed that the Apostles and Philip the Evangelist baptized believers in the name of Jesus. There are no examples in scripture of believers being baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. It is obvious that the Apostles baptized believers in how they interpreted the command of Jesus to baptize.

The historical record:
Britannica Encyclopedia, 11th Edition, Volume 3, page 365, Baptism was changed from the name of Jesus to words, Father, Son and Holy Ghost in 2nd
Century.
Canney Encyclopedia of Religion, page 53, The early church baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until the second century. Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion, Volume 2, Christian baptism was administered using the words, "in the name of Jesus." page 377. Baptism was always in the name of Jesus until the time of Justin Martyr, page 389.
Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume 2, page 263, Here the authors acknowledged that the baptismal formula was changed by their church.
Schaff, Herzog Religious Encyclopedia, Volume 1, page 435, The New Testament knows only the baptism in the name of Jesus.
Hastings Dictionary of the Bible, page 88, It must be acknowledged that the three fold name of Matthew 28:19 does not appear to have been used by the primitive church, but rather in the name of Jesus, Jesus Christ, or Lord Jesus.

Acts 4:10-12, be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands before you whole. He is the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone. There is no salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

Colossians 3:17, And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.

Scripture tells us that Jesus is the only name giving for salvation and whatever we do, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Were the Apostles, Paul, and the Evangelist Philip correct or incorrect in how they baptized using only the name of the Lord Jesus?

God bless

NOTE: I will answer your question below. But can you answer this question...

Was Peter correct or incorrect in Acts 10:48 when he "commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord" without using the word "Jesus"?


Now to answer your question...

Yes, they were correct to baptize in all four ways you mention...
"the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"
"in the name of Jesus Christ"
"in the name of the Lord Jesus"
"in the name of the Lord"

Since they are all names of Yahweh, the only one who is eternal.

Here is a concise statement of what I believe...
The spirit Yahweh is the only one who is eternal. Yahweh is also in the universe as spirit and as a human. Yahweh in the universe as spirit is called the Spirit of God, Yahweh in the universe as a human is called the Son of God, and eternal Yahweh is called God the Father.

And here is a more detailed overview...
(Note: I agree with the view of Melito, Bishop of Sardis around AD 160-180. The following is how I word it.)
For this creation, Yahweh God (the only one who transcends all creations) determined to create a universe with a kingdom of redeemed humans (living souls) for his glory where he would reign as a living soul himself. The Scriptures describe how Yahweh would accomplish his plan. In an instant, transcendent Yahweh (called God the Father) created the supernatural and space-time of this universe and also became immanent as a spirit (called the Spirit of God) and in the form of a living soul (called the Son of God) with a glorious human body. God the Father then created all things within the universe by the power of the Spirit of God commanded by the Son of God. But whereas Yahweh created a human spirit and soul for each of us, Yahweh himself became the human spirit and soul of Jesus. At his conception, Jesus' glorious body was changed to a mortal body to be made like us so he could make reconciliation for our sins. At his resurrection, Jesus' mortal body was changed back to a glorious body and he will also give each of his elect a glorious body when he returns to reign in his kingdom forever.
 

Our Lord's God

Well-known member
Matthew 28:19, Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
How did the early church interpret Jesus' command to baptize? I think I'm safe in saying that all Christians would agree that the Apostles in the first century were correct in how they fulfilled Jesus' command to baptize.

Acts 2:38, Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. In this scripture Peter said to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Was Peter correct in how he baptized about three thousand people on the day of Pentecost?

Acts 8:16, for still He had come on none of them. They were only baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. In Acts 8:12 we see that Philip the Evangelist was the one who baptized those in Samaria. Was Philip correct in how he baptized the believers in Samaria?

Acts 10:48, So he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Peter baptized Cornelius, the centurion and his household. Was Peter correct in how he baptized Cornelius and his household?

Acts 19:5, When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Paul baptized these believers, was Paul correct in how he baptized those in Ephesus?

It can not be disputed that the Apostles and Philip the Evangelist baptized believers in the name of Jesus. There are no examples in scripture of believers being baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. It is obvious that the Apostles baptized believers in how they interpreted the command of Jesus to baptize.

The historical record:
Britannica Encyclopedia, 11th Edition, Volume 3, page 365, Baptism was changed from the name of Jesus to words, Father, Son and Holy Ghost in 2nd
Century.
Canney Encyclopedia of Religion, page 53, The early church baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until the second century. Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion, Volume 2, Christian baptism was administered using the words, "in the name of Jesus." page 377. Baptism was always in the name of Jesus until the time of Justin Martyr, page 389.
Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume 2, page 263, Here the authors acknowledged that the baptismal formula was changed by their church.
Schaff, Herzog Religious Encyclopedia, Volume 1, page 435, The New Testament knows only the baptism in the name of Jesus.
Hastings Dictionary of the Bible, page 88, It must be acknowledged that the three fold name of Matthew 28:19 does not appear to have been used by the primitive church, but rather in the name of Jesus, Jesus Christ, or Lord Jesus.

Acts 4:10-12, be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands before you whole. He is the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone. There is no salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

Colossians 3:17, And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.

Scripture tells us that Jesus is the only name giving for salvation and whatever we do, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Were the Apostles, Paul, and the Evangelist Philip correct or incorrect in how they baptized using only the name of the Lord Jesus?

God bless

There is a standing question concerning whether Matthew 28:19 is even authentic. Significant evidence suggests that it isn't and some scholars believe it isn't. Examining manuscripts doesn't help since our earliest manuscript evidence is just too late. The ending to the Lord's Prayer in Matthew (see KJV) seems to have come from the Didache. If that is the case, Matthew 28:19 may have come from the Didache as well. And to suppose the verse is authentic also leaves one with the problem that the disciples totally ignored Jesus' command to make disciples in the manner which he prescribed.
 
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cawalls

New Member
NOTE: I will answer your question below. But can you answer this question...

Was Peter correct or incorrect in Acts 10:48 when he "commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord" without using the word "Jesus"?


Now to answer your question...

Yes, they were correct to baptize in all four ways you mention...
"the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"
"in the name of Jesus Christ"
"in the name of the Lord Jesus"
"in the name of the Lord"

Since they are all names of Yahweh, the only one who is eternal.

Here is a concise statement of what I believe...
The spirit Yahweh is the only one who is eternal. Yahweh is also in the universe as spirit and as a human. Yahweh in the universe as spirit is called the Spirit of God, Yahweh in the universe as a human is called the Son of God, and eternal Yahweh is called God the Father.

And here is a more detailed overview...
(Note: I agree with the view of Melito, Bishop of Sardis around AD 160-180. The following is how I word it.)
For this creation, Yahweh God (the only one who transcends all creations) determined to create a universe with a kingdom of redeemed humans (living souls) for his glory where he would reign as a living soul himself. The Scriptures describe how Yahweh would accomplish his plan. In an instant, transcendent Yahweh (called God the Father) created the supernatural and space-time of this universe and also became immanent as a spirit (called the Spirit of God) and in the form of a living soul (called the Son of God) with a glorious human body. God the Father then created all things within the universe by the power of the Spirit of God commanded by the Son of God. But whereas Yahweh created a human spirit and soul for each of us, Yahweh himself became the human spirit and soul of Jesus. At his conception, Jesus' glorious body was changed to a mortal body to be made like us so he could make reconciliation for our sins. At his resurrection, Jesus' mortal body was changed back to a glorious body and he will also give each of his elect a glorious body when he returns to reign in his kingdom forever.
Matthew 28:19, Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
How did the early church interpret Jesus' command to baptize? I think I'm safe in saying that all Christians would agree that the Apostles in the first century were correct in how they fulfilled Jesus' command to baptize.

Acts 2:38, Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. In this scripture Peter said to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Was Peter correct in how he baptized about three thousand people on the day of Pentecost?

Acts 8:16, for still He had come on none of them. They were only baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. In Acts 8:12 we see that Philip the Evangelist was the one who baptized those in Samaria. Was Philip correct in how he baptized the believers in Samaria?

Acts 10:48, So he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Peter baptized Cornelius, the centurion and his household. Was Peter correct in how he baptized Cornelius and his household?

Acts 19:5, When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Paul baptized these believers, was Paul correct in how he baptized those in Ephesus?

It can not be disputed that the Apostles and Philip the Evangelist baptized believers in the name of Jesus. There are no examples in scripture of believers being baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. It is obvious that the Apostles baptized believers in how they interpreted the command of Jesus to baptize.

The historical record:
Britannica Encyclopedia, 11th Edition, Volume 3, page 365, Baptism was changed from the name of Jesus to words, Father, Son and Holy Ghost in 2nd
Century.
Canney Encyclopedia of Religion, page 53, The early church baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus until the second century. Hastings Encyclopedia of Religion, Volume 2, Christian baptism was administered using the words, "in the name of Jesus." page 377. Baptism was always in the name of Jesus until the time of Justin Martyr, page 389.
Catholic Encyclopedia, Volume 2, page 263, Here the authors acknowledged that the baptismal formula was changed by their church.
Schaff, Herzog Religious Encyclopedia, Volume 1, page 435, The New Testament knows only the baptism in the name of Jesus.
Hastings Dictionary of the Bible, page 88, It must be acknowledged that the three fold name of Matthew 28:19 does not appear to have been used by the primitive church, but rather in the name of Jesus, Jesus Christ, or Lord Jesus.

Acts 4:10-12, be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands before you whole. He is the stone you builders rejected, which has become the cornerstone. There is no salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.

Colossians 3:17, And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.

Scripture tells us that Jesus is the only name giving for salvation and whatever we do, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Were the Apostles, Paul, and the Evangelist Philip correct or incorrect in how they baptized using only the name of the Lord Jesus?

God bless
Yah,
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit was not one of my four choices on how to baptize, nor was it one of the Apostles.
God bless
 

cawalls

New Member
NOTE: I will answer your question below. But can you answer this question...

Was Peter correct or incorrect in Acts 10:48 when he "commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord" without using the word "Jesus"?


Now to answer your question...

Yes, they were correct to baptize in all four ways you mention...
"the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit"
"in the name of Jesus Christ"
"in the name of the Lord Jesus"
"in the name of the Lord"

Since they are all names of Yahweh, the only one who is eternal.

Here is a concise statement of what I believe...
The spirit Yahweh is the only one who is eternal. Yahweh is also in the universe as spirit and as a human. Yahweh in the universe as spirit is called the Spirit of God, Yahweh in the universe as a human is called the Son of God, and eternal Yahweh is called God the Father.

And here is a more detailed overview...
(Note: I agree with the view of Melito, Bishop of Sardis around AD 160-180. The following is how I word it.)
For this creation, Yahweh God (the only one who transcends all creations) determined to create a universe with a kingdom of redeemed humans (living souls) for his glory where he would reign as a living soul himself. The Scriptures describe how Yahweh would accomplish his plan. In an instant, transcendent Yahweh (called God the Father) created the supernatural and space-time of this universe and also became immanent as a spirit (called the Spirit of God) and in the form of a living soul (called the Son of God) with a glorious human body. God the Father then created all things within the universe by the power of the Spirit of God commanded by the Son of God. But whereas Yahweh created a human spirit and soul for each of us, Yahweh himself became the human spirit and soul of Jesus. At his conception, Jesus' glorious body was changed to a mortal body to be made like us so he could make reconciliation for our sins. At his resurrection, Jesus' mortal body was changed back to a glorious body and he will also give each of his elect a glorious body when he returns to reign in his kingdom forever.
Yah,
The Apostles used various forms of Jesus' name: Lord, Jesus, Jesus Christ...but never Father, Son, and HS
God bless
 

cawalls

New Member
There is a standing question concerning whether Matthew 28:19 is even authentic. Significant evidence suggests that it isn't and some scholars believe it isn't. Examining manuscripts doesn't help since our earliest manuscript evidence is just too late. The ending to the Lord's Prayer in Matthew (see KJV) seems to have come from the Didache. If that is the case, Matthew 28:19 may have come from the Didache as well. And to suppose the verse is authentic also leaves one with the problem that the disciples totally ignored Jesus' command to make disciples in the manner which he prescribed.
Our,
I agree. That is probably the reason F, S, and HS are never used in the New Testament to baptize. Nevertheless, Matt 28:19 is scripture and it would be harder to convince others of this than how the Apostles actually baptized.
God bless
 

Our Lord's God

Well-known member
Our,
I agree. That is probably the reason F, S, and HS are never used in the New Testament to baptize. Nevertheless, Matt 28:19 is scripture and it would be harder to convince others of this than how the Apostles actually baptized.
God bless

And you know that Matthew 28:19 is authentic Scripture how?
 

cawalls

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And you know that Matthew 28:19 is authentic Scripture how?
Our,
I did not say it was authentic. I said it was scripture. It would be harder to convince others that Matt 28:19 is not scripture. I would rather try to convince others on what scripture does say...that is how the early church actually baptized.

God bless
 

Our Lord's God

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Our,
I did not say it was authentic. I said it was scripture.

To most people, that is going to mean authentic inspired scripture. It might be better to say, "it was IN Scripture."

It would be harder to convince others that Matt 28:19 is not scripture. I would rather try to convince others on what scripture does say...that is how the early church actually baptized.

God bless
 

cawalls

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To most people, that is going to mean authentic inspired scripture. It might be better to say, "it was IN Scripture."
Our,
Matt 28:19 is scripture. Some say it is not authentic. I personally don't try to dispute it. It is scripture!! The main point is how did the early church interpret Matt 28:19. How do you?

God bless
 
Yah,
The Apostles used various forms of Jesus' name: Lord, Jesus, Jesus Christ...but never Father, Son, and HS
God bless

I think you are answering CORRECT to my question...

Was Peter correct or incorrect in Acts 10:48 when he "commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord" without using the word "Jesus"?

Let me know if I am mistaken.


In other words, you believe...

It is correct to baptize believers "in the name of the Lord".

It is correct to baptize believers "in the name of the Son".

It is correct to baptize believers "in the name of __________". (Fill in the blank with any other name for God incarnate.)

Correct?
 
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cawalls

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I think you are answering CORRECT to my question...

Was Peter correct or incorrect in Acts 10:48 when he "commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord" without using the word "Jesus"?

Let me know if I am mistaken.


In other words, you believe...

It is correct to baptize believers "in the name of the Lord".

It is correct to baptize believers "in the name of the Son".

It is correct to baptize believers "in the name of __________". (Fill in the blank with any other name for God incarnate.)


Correct?
Yah,
You are mistaken. When Peter told them to be baptized in the name of the Lord, Peter meant what he said in Acts 2:38, if we allow scripture to interpret scripture.

Acts 2:38, Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

God Bless
 
Yah,
You are mistaken. When Peter told them to be baptized in the name of the Lord, Peter meant what he said in Acts 2:38, if we allow scripture to interpret scripture.

Acts 2:38, Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins, and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

God Bless

So when Peter said to baptize "in the name of Jesus Christ" (Acts 2:38)...

He meant it was also okay to baptize "in the name of the Lord" (Acts 10:48).

I know you agree so far since you are the one who posted both verses.

But my question was...

Is it okay to baptize "in the name of _________________", so long as the blank is filled with a name that refers to the person Jesus?

In other words, the word "Jesus" does not have to be used, just any name that refers to the person Jesus.

And do you believe the Father and Jesus are the SAME person?

You seem to be Oneness, but I am not sure.
 

cawalls

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So when Peter said to baptize "in the name of Jesus Christ" (Acts 2:38)...

He meant it was also okay to baptize "in the name of the Lord" (Acts 10:48).

I know you agree so far since you are the one who posted both verses.

But my question was...

Is it okay to baptize "in the name of _________________", so long as the blank is filled with a name that refers to the person Jesus?

In other words, the word "Jesus" does not have to be used, just any name that refers to the person Jesus.

And do you believe the Father and Jesus are the SAME person?

You seem to be Oneness, but I am not sure.
What is obvious to all who honestly follow scripture is that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit was NEVER used by the first century Christians to baptize a believer. Only various forms of Jesus, Lord, or Jesus Christ. Christians follow the Apostles doctrine as stated in Acts 2:42.

Acts 2:42, They continued steadfastly in the apostles' teaching and fellowship, in breaking of bread and in the prayers.

You asked: "And do you believe the Father and Jesus are the SAME person?"

I believe Jesus when He said speaking of His Father, This is eternal life: that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent (John 17:3). Jesus Himself said His Father is the only true God.

I believe Jesus when He said speaking of God, God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and truth (John 4:24). Jesus Himself said God is Spirit.

I believe 1 Timothy 3:16, Without question, great is the mystery of godliness: God was revealed in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, taken up into glory.

From these scriptures I believe that the Father is the only true God. I believe that this Father God is Spirit. I believe that this Father God who is Spirit revealed Himself in flesh as Jesus Christ.

What do you believe?

God bless
 
I believe that this Father God who is Spirit revealed Himself in flesh as Jesus Christ.

So you believe the Father is Jesus before he manifest in the flesh.

So wouldn't praying "in the name of the Father" be praying "in the name of Jesus before he manifest in flesh"?

Hebrews 13:8... Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.


What do you believe?

GOD is spirit and is the only one who is eternal. GOD is also in the universe as spirit and as a human. GOD in the universe as spirit is called the Spirit of God, GOD in the universe as a human is called the Son of God, and eternal GOD is called God the Father.

GOD

English Bibles and I use the word GOD (with all caps) to signify the underlying Hebrew word is YHWH (a proper name) rather than Elohim (a title).
Exodus 23:17 ESV… Three times in the year shall all your males appear before the Lord GOD.

is spirit
John 4:24 ESV… God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.

and is the only one who is eternal...
Deuteronomy 33:27 ESV… The eternal God is your dwelling place, and underneath are the everlasting arms. And he thrust out the enemy before you and said, ‘Destroy.’
Isaiah 37:16 ESV… “O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, enthroned above the cherubim, you are the God, you alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; you have made heaven and earth.

GOD is also in the universe as spirit
Genesis 1:2 ESV… The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

and as a human...
1 Timothy 3:16 ESV… Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

GOD in the universe as spirit is called the Spirit of God
Genesis 1:2 ESV… The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

GOD in the universe as a human is called the Son of God
Luke 1:35 ESV… And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.

and eternal GOD is called God the Father.
1 Corinthians 8:6 ESV… yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.
 
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cawalls

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So you believe the Father is Jesus before he manifest in the flesh.

So wouldn't praying "in the name of the Father" be praying "in the name of Jesus before he manifest in flesh"?

Hebrews 13:8... Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.




GOD is spirit and is the only one who is eternal. GOD is also in the universe as spirit and as a human. GOD in the universe as spirit is called the Spirit of God, GOD in the universe as a human is called the Son of God, and eternal GOD is called God the Father.

GOD

English Bibles and I use the word GOD (with all caps) to signify the underlying Hebrew word is YHWH (a proper name) rather than Elohim (a title).
Exodus 23:17 ESV… Three times in the year shall all your males appear before the Lord GOD.

is spirit
John 4:24 ESV… God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.

and is the only one who is eternal...
Deuteronomy 33:27 ESV… The eternal God is your dwelling place, and underneath are the everlasting arms. And he thrust out the enemy before you and said, ‘Destroy.’
Isaiah 37:16 ESV… “O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, enthroned above the cherubim, you are the God, you alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth; you have made heaven and earth.

GOD is also in the universe as spirit
Genesis 1:2 ESV… The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

and as a human...
1 Timothy 3:16 ESV… Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.

GOD in the universe as spirit is called the Spirit of God
Genesis 1:2 ESV… The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

GOD in the universe as a human is called the Son of God
Luke 1:35 ESV… And the angel answered her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; therefore the child to be born will be called holy—the Son of God.

and eternal GOD is called God the Father.
1 Corinthians 8:6 ESV… yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.
I already told you what I believe, read the scriptures that I gave you.
 
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