zerinus
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You are asking the wrong question. The right question is, Where did they get their freewill from?Where did adam and satan get their nature from ?
You are asking the wrong question. The right question is, Where did they get their freewill from?Where did adam and satan get their nature from ?
You keep asking the wrong question. Calvinism is leading you far astray.Yeah He made them good, adam He made very good. So where did Adam get his nature from, the one he sinned against God with ?
Where did he get it from if it wasnt from His Creator ?
So do you believe adam created his own nature ? lol
wrong God created him very good. Where did adam get his nature from that he sinned in ?
Where he get it from sir? BTW Christians are good in Christ and they have a corrupt nature.
Did he get it from Satan? Did Satan create him?
Wrong question over and over. The assumption is that unless he had a "sinful nature," he couldn't have sinned. That is the Calvinist invention. It is not biblical. You don't need a "sinful nature" to be able to sin. You can sin through pride, and you can also sin by being deceived. It is obvious from the scripture I quoted that Eve was deceived; and Adam chose to eat of the fruit to remain with Eve.Did he create himself with it ?
That is correctWrong question over and over. The assumption is that unless he had a "sinful nature," he couldn't have sinned. That is the Calvinist invention. It is not biblical. You don't need a "sinful nature" to be able to sin. You can sin through pride, and you can also sin by being deceived. It is obvious from the scripture I quoted that Eve was deceived; and Adam chose to eat of the fruit to remain with Eve.
You are quoting that verse out of context.
Yes their natures were evil, they disobeyed with them. The Man Jesus Christ is the only Man without a evil nature ! And the Elect Holy Angels !Nowhere in the Bible does it say that their natures were evil. The Bible says that God created all things "good". That is what man was before the Fall. They acquired an evil disposition after the fall, or as a result of the Fall, from which Jesus came to rescue them.
What a ridiculous statement. Is that what Calvinism does to people, make them lose their minds and become totally irrational?
After the Fall he needed to, but not before. Before the Fall he was already "born right". He had no need to be "born again" before the Fall.
Right sinners sin. You see what happened when Adam and Eve were tempted of the devil, in contrast to what happened when the Holy Man Jesus was tempted of the devil. Jesus Nature was pure and Holy and without sin and sin tendencies !Wrong question over and over. The assumption is that unless he had a "sinful nature," he couldn't have sinned. That is the Calvinist invention. It is not biblical. You don't need a "sinful nature" to be able to sin. You can sin through pride, and you can also sin by being deceived. It is obvious from the scripture I quoted that Eve was deceived; and Adam chose to eat of the fruit to remain with Eve.
What a ridiculous statement.
Its the right question. Where did Adam get his nature from ?You are asking the wrong question. The right question is, Where did they get their freewill from?
You can sin through pride
You forgot it was not from Godzerinus
Which is a sin from the sin nature, duh 1 Jn 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
1 Tim 3:6
Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
Mark 7 21-23
For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, 22 thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: 23 all these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
Prov 6 16-18
These six things doth the Lord hate:
yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 a proud look, a lying tongue,
and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 an heart that deviseth wicked imaginations,
feet that be swift in running to mischief,
So where did they get their nature from ?You forgot it was not from God
1 John 2:16 —ESV
“For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life—is not from the Father but is from the world.”
God did not causally determine mans sinful desires
Not from GodSo where did they get their nature from ?
lol, so enlighten us where it came from. Who is their creator ?Not from God
Do you not recognize that is what the scripture states
1 John 2:16 —ESV
“For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life—is not from the Father but is from the world.”
Don't lollol, so enlighten us where it came from. Who is their creator ?
Who created Adam ?Don't lol
Deal with the fact they don't come from God
1 John 2:16–17 —KJV
“For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
What part of not from God can you not graspWho created Adam ?
Well then you must believe Adam created himself. Thats not bibleWhat part of not from God can you not grasp
creation does not make God the gulty party
1 John 2:16 —KJV
“For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
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You ran from thisWell then you must believe Adam created himself. Thats not bible
creation does not make God the gulty party