How hard is it for the natural man to believe the gospel?

[TomFL]

Yes he imagines repentance in the passage and places it in invisible ink in his Bible so only he can see it when his black light is on in the dark lol

No I point to it as being a biblical truth established by scripture

Ezekiel 18:30-32 (KJV)
30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

repentance precedes a new heart and spirit

and I do not interpret passages ignoring biblical truth

do you ?

He does

are you going to follow him and ignore scriptural truth

 

[Reformedguy]

No I point to it as being a biblical truth established by scripture

Ezekiel 18:30-32 (KJV)
30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

repentance precedes a new heart and spirit

and I do not interpret passages ignoring biblical truth

do you ?

He does

are you going to follow him and ignore scriptural truth

Where does it say repentance precedes a new heart?

Is repentance a command?

 

[guest1]

No I point to it as being a biblical truth established by scripture

Ezekiel 18:30-32 (KJV)
30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

repentance precedes a new heart and spirit

and I do not interpret passages ignoring biblical truth

do you ?

He does

are you going to follow him and ignore scriptural truth

No all it says in the passage is to repent . It has nothing to do with any sequence of events that takes place like you are reading into the passage

 

[Reformedguy]

No all it says in the passage is to repent . It has nothing to do with any sequence of events that takes place like you are reading into the passage

God is simply urging Israel to change her ways. It's addressed to Old Covenant Israel and is not relevant to the New Covenant. Ezekiel 36 deals with the coming new covenant. Good luck getting choice meats to get it though

 

[TomFL]

No all it says in the passage is to repent . It has nothing to do with any sequence of events that takes place like you are reading into the passage

No it says

31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

and puts that before a new heart and a new spirit

further i can establish faith/repentance before regeneration

Colossians 2:13 (KJV)
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

where forgiveness of sin precedes regeneration logically

Are you going to claim forgiveness of sin may be had without repentance/faith

so the order would be faith/repentance - remission of sin regeneration

 

[TomFL]

Wher does it say repentance precedes a new heart?

Is repentance a command?

30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

 

[Reformedguy]

No it says

31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

and puts that before a new heart and a new spirit

further i can establish faith/repentance before regeneration

Colossians 2:13 (KJV)
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

where forgiveness of sin precedes regeneration logically

Are you going to claim forgiveness of sin may be had without repentance/faith

so the order would be faith/repentance - remission of sin regeneration

Nope, order in the new covenant is new heart, spirit given, caused by God to obey His commands. Ezek. 36

 

[Reformedguy]

30 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.
31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Different context, different audience. Why do you pit Ezek. 18 vs Ezek 36? If your right, which your not, then they contradict each other.

Since that's not possible, in the new covenant, new heart, spirit is given, caused by God to obey His commands of which repentance is one of.

 

[TomFL]

Nope, order in the new covenant is new heart, spirit given, caused by God to obey His commands. Ezek. 36

Sorry you ignore scripture which shows

faith must precede receiving the spirit

and it is only after receiving the spirit that one can obey god's statutes verse 27

so faith precedes ability to obey the statues

 

[Reformedguy]

Sorry you ignore scripture which shows

faith must precede receiving the spirit

and it is only after receiving the spirit that one can obey god's statutes verse 27

so faith precedes ability to obey the statues

New heart, spirit is given, God causes one to obey His commands.

Faith is a statute, Lol

 

[TomFL]

Different context, different audience. Why do you pit Ezek. 18 vs Ezek 36? If your right, which your not, then they contradict each other.

Since that's not possible, in the new covenant, new heart, spirit is given, caused by God to obey His commands of which repentance is one of.

Sorry same house of Israel both speak of a new heart and new spirit

but why do you ignore the new testament which shows faith precedes reception of the Spirit by which you then receive power to obey God's statutes

Your theology is contrary to the bible

 

[Reformedguy]

Sorry same house of Israel both speak of a new heart and new spirit

but why do you ignore the new testament which shows faith precedes reception of the Spirit by which you then receive power to obey God's statutes

Your theology is contrary to the bible

 

[TomFL]

New heart, spirit is given, God causes one to obey His commands.

Faith is a statute, Lol

Sorry you ignore scripture which shows

faith must precede receiving the spirit

and it is only after receiving the spirit that one can obey god's statutes verse 27

so faith precedes ability to obey the statues


Ezekiel 36:27 (KJV)
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

hello

 

[Reformedguy]

Nope. Pay attention In the new covenant, new heart, spirit is given, God causes one to obey His commands.

 

[Reformedguy]

Sorry you ignore scripture which shows

faith must precede receiving the spirit

and it is only after receiving the spirit that one can obey god's statutes verse 27

so faith precedes ability to obey the statues


Ezekiel 36:27 (KJV)
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

hello

Nope. See verse 26. New heart, spirit is given, God causes one to obey His commands/statutes. Keep trying

 

[guest1]

No it says

31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

and puts that before a new heart and a new spirit

further i can establish faith/repentance before regeneration

Colossians 2:13 (KJV)
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

where forgiveness of sin precedes regeneration logically

Are you going to claim forgiveness of sin may be had without repentance/faith

so the order would be faith/repentance - remission of sin regeneration

Is God casting away sin ?

Is God putting in the new heart ?

 

[guest1]

Nope. Pay attention In the new covenant, new heart, spirit is given, God causes one to obey His commands.

Yes God causes man to obey by regenerating him first . The dead cannot obey .

 

[TomFL]

Nope. See verse 26. New heart, spirit is given, God causes one to obey His commands/statutes. Keep trying

Nope obeying his statutes comes in verse 27 after receiving the spirit

which is received by faith

Galatians 3:14 (KJV)
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

again stop trying to twist scripture into supporting your false doctrine

 

[Reformedguy]

Nope obeying his statutes comes in verse 27 after receiving the spirit

which is received by faith

Galatians 3:14 (KJV)
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

again stop trying to twist scripture into supporting your false doctrine

Thats the order I gave, lol. Trying way to hard dude.

Watch, new heart, spirit is given, God causes one to obey His commands. The Spurit is the means by which God causes. Pretty simple unless your a choice meat apparently

 

[TomFL]

Is God casting away sin ?

Is God putting in the new heart ?

Well lets see

i stated

No it says

31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

and puts that before a new heart and a new spirit

further i can establish faith/repentance before regeneration

Colossians 2:13 (KJV)
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

where forgiveness of sin precedes regeneration logically

Are you going to claim forgiveness of sin may be had without repentance/faith

so the order would be faith/repentance - remission of sin regeneration

...........................

You ignored Col 2:13

which itself destroys your position

You ignored the order in Ezek 18

repent and make a new heart and spirit

No God is not casting away sin

they are

then God makes a new heart and spirit