How hard is it for the natural man to believe the gospel?

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guest1

Guest
Well lets see

i stated

No it says

31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

and puts that before a new heart and a new spirit

further i can establish faith/repentance before regeneration

Colossians 2:13 (KJV)
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

where forgiveness of sin precedes regeneration logically

Are you going to claim forgiveness of sin may be had without repentance/faith

so the order would be faith/repentance - remission of sin regeneration

...........................

You ignored Col 2:13

which itself destroys your position

You ignored the order in Ezek 18

repent and make a new heart and spirit

No God is not casting away sin

they are

then God makes a new heart and spirit
You need to get you doctrine from the passage not from bits and pieces all over the place to form your ideas .
 
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TomFL

Guest
Yes God causes man to obey by regenerating him first . The dead cannot obey .
That is your theology

The bible never states the dead in trespass and sin cannot repent and believe

You have an assumed definition by which you controvert the scriptures and God's command for sinners to repent
 
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TomFL

Guest
You need to get you doctrine from the passage not from bits and pieces all over the place to form your ideas .
You need to believe all scripture not just the verses you can read your theology into

When you do that you will see the errors of Calvinism
 
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TomFL

Guest
FlowersPowerism is what he teaches

I teach what the bible teaches

While you teach a man made theology imported into christianity from Manichean gnosticism

which is why I can post tons of verses supporting my position

and you are unable to rebut them
 
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TomFL

Guest
You need to get you doctrine from the passage not from bits and pieces all over the place to form your ideas .
Let me illustrate the weakness of your position

based on

Ezekiel 36:26-27 (ESV)
26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.

Reformedguys argues

The passage teaches God gives a new heart , and his spirit so men can believe the gospel (have faith)

The first thing you should notice the passage says nothing at all about faith or the gospel

second the power to obey God's statutes is dependent upon the indwelling of the spirit

The holy Spirit does not indwell unbelievers

The idea is absurd and how anyone could read the bible and believe any such thing is astounding

To hold to his view one must ignore the New testament data on the indwelling of the spirit and read into Ezekiel

an empowerment to believe the gospel which is never mentioned and is eisegesis

Partaking of eisegesis and ignoring scripture is not a way to come to biblical truth
 

Reformedguy

Well-known member
That is your theology

The bible never states the dead in trespass and sin cannot repent and believe

You have an assumed definition by which you controvert the scriptures and God's command for sinners to repent
Sure it does. See 1 Corinthians 2:14
 

Reformedguy

Well-known member
Let me illustrate the weakness of your position

based on

Ezekiel 36:26-27 (ESV)
26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.

Reformedguys argues

The passage teaches God gives a new heart , and his spirit so men can believe the gospel (have faith)

The first thing you should notice the passage says nothing at all about faith or the gospel

second the power to obey God's statutes is dependent upon the indwelling of the spirit

The holy Spirit does not indwell unbelievers

The idea is absurd and how anyone could read the bible and believe any such thing is astounding

To hold to his view one must ignore the New testament data on the indwelling of the spirit and read into Ezekiel

an empowerment to believe the gospel which is never mentioned and is eisegesis

Partaking of eisegesis and ignoring scripture is not a way to come to biblical truth
So you also exclude faith from a statute of God? Whatelse? How about baptism? It does not mention that either
 
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TomFL

Guest
Sure it does. See 1 Corinthians 2:14
Sorry no

that verse refers to those who determine all things through worldly wisdom

your view ignores much scripture

John 20:31 (KJV 1900)

31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

This clearly presupposes the gospel may be understood

2 Timothy 3:15 (KJV 1900)

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

presupposes Holy scriptures may be understood

Isaiah 55:11 (KJV 1900)

11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth:

It shall not return unto me void,

But it shall accomplish that which I please,

And it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

God’s word prospers in whatever it is set out to do

Psalm 19:7 (KJV 1900)

7 ………………………The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

Psalm 119:130 (KJV 1900)

130 The entrance of thy words giveth light;

It giveth understanding unto the simple.

Self explanitory

Romans 10:17 (KJV 1900)

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

The word of God brings faith. It must be understood to do so



Acts 17:11 —KJV

“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”



This shows one can judge spiritual truth by the scriptures which must be understood to do so



Acts 18:28 —KJV



“For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.”



Presupposes spiritual truth explained can be understood



John 1:7 —KJV


“The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.”



Again presupposes spiritual truth explained can be understood



James 1:21 (KJV)
21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word,

which is able to save your souls.



Presupposes the word has power to save



Ephesians 3:4 (KJV)
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)



Presupposes reading sufficient to knowv spiritual truth



When God wanted Cornelius to receive the gospel he sent a preacher



Acts 11:13-14 (KJV)
13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and

call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.



The spirit sent Philip to preach the gosperl to the Ethiopian Eunuch



Acts 8:27-35 (KJV)
27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

and cannot explain why

God hardened men so they could not believe

John 12:40 —KJV
“He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.”

Why scripture notes had they not hardened themselves they could have believe

Acts 28:27 —KJV
“For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.”

Why Jesus spoke to men in parables to prevent their understanding

Matt. 13:10–14 —KJV
“And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:”

Why the god of this world blinds those who cannot see

2 Corinthians 4:4 (ESV)
4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
 

Reformedguy

Well-known member
Sorry no

that verse refers to those who determine all things through worldly wisdom

your view ignores much scripture

John 20:31 (KJV 1900)

31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

This clearly presupposes the gospel may be understood

2 Timothy 3:15 (KJV 1900)

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

presupposes Holy scriptures may be understood

Isaiah 55:11 (KJV 1900)

11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth:

It shall not return unto me void,

But it shall accomplish that which I please,

And it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

God’s word prospers in whatever it is set out to do

Psalm 19:7 (KJV 1900)

7 ………………………The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

Psalm 119:130 (KJV 1900)

130 The entrance of thy words giveth light;

It giveth understanding unto the simple.

Self explanitory

Romans 10:17 (KJV 1900)

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

The word of God brings faith. It must be understood to do so



Acts 17:11 —KJV

“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”



This shows one can judge spiritual truth by the scriptures which must be understood to do so



Acts 18:28 —KJV



“For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.”



Presupposes spiritual truth explained can be understood



John 1:7 —KJV


“The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.”



Again presupposes spiritual truth explained can be understood



James 1:21 (KJV)
21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word,

which is able to save your souls.



Presupposes the word has power to save



Ephesians 3:4 (KJV)
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)



Presupposes reading sufficient to knowv spiritual truth



When God wanted Cornelius to receive the gospel he sent a preacher



Acts 11:13-14 (KJV)
13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and

call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.



The spirit sent Philip to preach the gosperl to the Ethiopian Eunuch



Acts 8:27-35 (KJV)
27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

and cannot explain why

God hardened men so they could not believe

John 12:40 —KJV
“He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.”

Why scripture notes had they not hardened themselves they could have believe

Acts 28:27 —KJV
“For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.”

Why Jesus spoke to men in parables to prevent their understanding

Matt. 13:10–14 —KJV
“And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:”

Why the god of this world blinds those who cannot see

2 Corinthians 4:4 (ESV)
4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
Sure it does. 1 Corinthians 2:14.

By the way you admit the Spirit is how God causes one to obey His commands. Why would the Spirit be needed if LFW were true?
 
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TomFL

Guest
Sure it does. 1 Corinthians 2:14.

By the way you admit the Spirit is how God causes one to obey His commands. Why would the Spirit be needed if LFW were true?
You are somewhat confused

I have always held it is by the spirit one is enabled to live the christian life

It seems you also do not understand LFW

LFW allows one to make free decisions within the limits of his nature

It is not absolute

and you just ignored the fact your interpretation of 1Cor 2:14 is not consistent withn scripture

John 20:31 (KJV 1900)

31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

This clearly presupposes the gospel may be understood

2 Timothy 3:15 (KJV 1900)

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

presupposes Holy scriptures may be understood

Isaiah 55:11 (KJV 1900)

11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth:

It shall not return unto me void,

But it shall accomplish that which I please,

And it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

God’s word prospers in whatever it is set out to do

Psalm 19:7 (KJV 1900)

7 ………………………The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

Psalm 119:130 (KJV 1900)

130 The entrance of thy words giveth light;

It giveth understanding unto the simple.

Self explanitory

Romans 10:17 (KJV 1900)

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

The word of God brings faith. It must be understood to do so



Acts 17:11 —KJV

“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”



This shows one can judge spiritual truth by the scriptures which must be understood to do so



Acts 18:28 —KJV



“For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.”



Presupposes spiritual truth explained can be understood



John 1:7 —KJV


“The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.”



Again presupposes spiritual truth explained can be understood



James 1:21 (KJV)
21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word,

which is able to save your souls.



Presupposes the word has power to save



Ephesians 3:4 (KJV)
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)



Presupposes reading sufficient to knowv spiritual truth



When God wanted Cornelius to receive the gospel he sent a preacher



Acts 11:13-14 (KJV)
13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and

call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.



The spirit sent Philip to preach the gosperl to the Ethiopian Eunuch



Acts 8:27-35 (KJV)
27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

and cannot explain why

God hardened men so they could not believe

John 12:40 —KJV
“He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.”

Why scripture notes had they not hardened themselves they could have believe

Acts 28:27 —KJV
“For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.”

Why Jesus spoke to men in parables to prevent their understanding

Matt. 13:10–14 —KJV
“And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:”

Why the god of this world blinds those who cannot see

2 Corinthians 4:4 (ESV)
4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

and contrary to its near context as

1 Corinthians 1:21 (ESV)
21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.

as some do believe
 

Reformedguy

Well-known member
You are somewhat confused

I have always held it is by the spirit one is enabled to live the christian life

It seems you also do not understand LFW

LFW allows one to make free decisions within the limits of his nature

It is not absolute

and you just ignored the fact your interpretation of 1Cor 2:14 is not consistent withn scripture

John 20:31 (KJV 1900)

31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

This clearly presupposes the gospel may be understood

2 Timothy 3:15 (KJV 1900)

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

presupposes Holy scriptures may be understood

Isaiah 55:11 (KJV 1900)

11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth:

It shall not return unto me void,

But it shall accomplish that which I please,

And it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

God’s word prospers in whatever it is set out to do

Psalm 19:7 (KJV 1900)

7 ………………………The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

Psalm 119:130 (KJV 1900)

130 The entrance of thy words giveth light;

It giveth understanding unto the simple.

Self explanitory

Romans 10:17 (KJV 1900)

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

The word of God brings faith. It must be understood to do so



Acts 17:11 —KJV

“These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.”



This shows one can judge spiritual truth by the scriptures which must be understood to do so



Acts 18:28 —KJV



“For he mightily convinced the Jews, and that publickly, shewing by the scriptures that Jesus was Christ.”



Presupposes spiritual truth explained can be understood



John 1:7 —KJV

“The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.”



Again presupposes spiritual truth explained can be understood



James 1:21 (KJV)
21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word,

which is able to save your souls.



Presupposes the word has power to save



Ephesians 3:4 (KJV)
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)



Presupposes reading sufficient to knowv spiritual truth



When God wanted Cornelius to receive the gospel he sent a preacher



Acts 11:13-14 (KJV)
13 And he shewed us how he had seen an angel in his house, which stood and said unto him, Send men to Joppa, and

call for Simon, whose surname is Peter;
14 Who shall tell thee words, whereby thou and all thy house shall be saved.



The spirit sent Philip to preach the gosperl to the Ethiopian Eunuch



Acts 8:27-35 (KJV)
27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,
28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet.
29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot.
30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:
33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth.
34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man?
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.

and cannot explain why

God hardened men so they could not believe

John 12:40 —KJV
“He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.”

Why scripture notes had they not hardened themselves they could have believe

Acts 28:27 —KJV
“For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.”

Why Jesus spoke to men in parables to prevent their understanding

Matt. 13:10–14 —KJV
“And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:”

Why the god of this world blinds those who cannot see

2 Corinthians 4:4 (ESV)
4 In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

and contrary to its near context as

1 Corinthians 1:21 (ESV)
21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world did not know God through wisdom, it pleased God through the folly of what we preach to save those who believe.

as some do believe
🥱👈 1 Corinthians 2:14. Check it out
 

Sethproton

Well-known member
Sure it does. 1 Corinthians 2:14.

By the way you admit the Spirit is how God causes one to obey His commands. Why would the Spirit be needed if LFW were true?
1 Cor 2:14 is written to Christians who have already understood a need to repent and receive Jesus. The context is the deeper understandings that only Christians can draw from the Spirit teaching them
 
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guest1

Guest
1 Cor 2:14 is written to Christians who have already understood a need to repent and receive Jesus. The context is the deeper understandings that only Christians can draw from the Spirit teaching them
Nice try same author /same principle the lost cannot understand the gospel which is spiritual truth, wisdom from God.

2 Cor 4:3-4
And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing.The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
 
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