How hard is it for the natural man to believe the gospel?

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Sethproton

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Theo1689 said:
This is why you will never understand Scripture. You go by memory (which is unreliable), and since you don't even know the citation, you can't check the context.

Gal. 5:16 But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.

This does NOT say that believers "cannot walk by the Spirit".
But 1 Cor. 2:14 says "the natural man" cannot do so.

Therefore 1 Cor. 2:14 MUST be referring to unsaved men, not believers.
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in your eagerness to attack me personally, you misunderstand what is being said. A Christian is warned not to walk in the flesh
 
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Sethproton

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Reformedguy said:
Wonderful. How would they do that if they CANNOT understand Spiritual things?
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Yes, That is a big if. And i am saying that the Bible does not teach that the gospel is too deep to be understood, though there are Biblical concepts that our flesh rebels against and does not want to embrace, or that need the Spirit within to illuminate.
 
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guest1

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Sethproton said:
Yes, That is a big if. And i am saying that the Bible does not teach that the gospel is too deep to be understood, though there are Biblical concepts that our flesh rebels against and does not want to embrace, or that need the Spirit within to illuminate.
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And the natural man scripture says CANNOT understand spiritual things as they are foolishness to them.

1- Are the gospel and salvation spiritual? Yes or no

2- Are you calling Paul a liar ?

hope this helps !!!
 
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Sethproton

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civic said:
And the natural man scripture says CANNOT understand spiritual things as they are foolishness to them.

1- Are the gospel and salvation spiritual? Yes or no

2- Are you calling Paul a liar ?

hope this helps !!!
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No, Paul is not the liar we are dealing with here.
 
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Theo1689

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Sethproton said:
in your eagerness to attack me personally, you misunderstand what is being said.
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In YOUR "eagerness to attack me personally", you go out of your way to be insulting, and to miss the point (probably intentionally).

Sethproton said:
A Christian is warned not to walk in the flesh
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Correct.
That is how you're proven wrong.

A Christian is able to walk in the flesh.
A Christian is able to walk in the Spirit.

The "natural man" in 1 Cor. 2:14 is UNABLE to walk in the Spirit.

Therefore, the "natural man" in 1 Cor. 2:14 CANNOT be a "Christian".

Just like EVERY commentator has pointed out.
 
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Theo1689 said:
In YOUR "eagerness to attack me personally", you go out of your way to be insulting, and to miss the point (probably intentionally).



Correct.
That is how you're proven wrong.

A Christian is able to walk in the flesh.
A Christian is able to walk in the Spirit.

The "natural man" in 1 Cor. 2:14 is UNABLE to walk in the Spirit.

Therefore, the "natural man" in 1 Cor. 2:14 CANNOT be a "Christian".

Just like EVERY commentator has pointed out.
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This should be the end of the discussion unless one is a glutton for punishment
 
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TomFL

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Reformedguy said:
Nope. You said it's yours. Prove it. It's your assertion. This I have to hear
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You need to support your claim

Making claims against another for which you have no proof is bearing false witness

and there is a commandment against it
 
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Reformedguy

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TomFL said:
You need to support your claim

Making claims against another for which you have no proof is bearing false witness

and there is a commandment against it
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The assertion is yours. I deny it. The burden of proof lies with you. Go ahead. Let's see the evidence
 
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Sethproton

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Theo1689 said:
In YOUR "eagerness to attack me personally", you go out of your way to be insulting, and to miss the point (probably intentionally).



Correct.
That is how you're proven wrong.

A Christian is able to walk in the flesh.
A Christian is able to walk in the Spirit.

The "natural man" in 1 Cor. 2:14 is UNABLE to walk in the Spirit.

Therefore, the "natural man" in 1 Cor. 2:14 CANNOT be a "Christian".

Just like EVERY commentator has pointed out.
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Ok, I understand where you are missing what the verse is teaching, This is another of those long standing mainstream Christian understandings that Calvinists have forgotten. In this particular section, the "natural man" refers to the old self.
If you miss that, then you misunderstand the passage
 
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