How important is the Name of your Church

Bonnie

Super Member
That only connects one's actions, and His name--with His Kingdom.

How do you claim to fit that into your theology?



I have one even better than that--and that is churches which teach there are no acts of obedience to Jesus Christ which are required for eternal life to occur.
Do you? But that is for another board--isn't it? And haven't I addressed this obedience stuff many times on here and on the other board? Which you always ignore?


This board isn't for discussing MY theology--is it, dberrie? Isn't this board for discussing MORMON theology and history? So, your question here is just another one of these--isn't it?

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Bonnie

Super Member
Both were involved in the salvation process in the Biblical NT.


As I stated--the guarantee is when a church doesn't bear His name, the name of Jesus Christ.

Especially when the church is named after an ordinary man. One rest assured that isn't Christ's church:

Acts 4:10-12----King James Version
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.


Nothing is Christian--unless it bears the name of Jesus Christ.
Are we saved by belonging to a church that has Jesus' name in it, OR are we saved by believing ON the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ? Which is it, dberrie?

Is a church that has Jesus' name in it automatically a TRUE church--even when it teaches that Jesus and the devil are actual brothers? Even when it teaches that God the Father was NOT ALWAYS GOD but was once a man on an earth, who had to learn how to become a God? CAn a church that butchers the Creation and Fall into sin stories from Genesis be a "true" church? Even if it has "Jesus Christ" in its name? Does a church that teaches only those who are "worthy" can get into their so-called "temples/houses of God'--with part of that worthiness being a full tithe payer, making them essentially pay for what Jesus suffered, bled, and died to give us as a gift--be a true church? Especially when Jesus came, suffered, bled, and died for the UNworthy--all of us? To give us salvation, great and free?

Can a church built upon the lies promulgated by a lying false prophet founder be a TRUE church, even though Jesus' name is in it? Who is the father of lies, dberrie?
 
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Theo1689

Well-known member
Are we saved by belonging to a church that has Jesus' name in it, OR are we saved by believing ON the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ? Which is it, dberrie?

Is a church that has Jesus' name in it automatically a TRUE church--even when it teaches that Jesus and the devil are actual brothers? Even when it teaches that God the Father was NOT ALWAYS GOD but was once a man on an earth, who had to learn how to become a God? Does a church that butchers the Creation and Fall into sin stories from Genesis be a "true" church? Even if it has "Jesus Christ" in its name? Does a church that teaches only those who are "worthy" can get into their so-called "temples/houses of God'--with part of that worthiness being a full tithe payer, making them essentially pay for what Jesus suffered, bled, and died to give us as a gift--be a true church? Especially when Jesus came, suffered, bled, and died for the UNworthy--all of us?

Can a church built upon the lies promulgated by a lying false prophet founder be a TRUE church, even though Jesus' name is in it? Who is the father of lies, dberrie?

Here is James White's response:

#2. The true church must bear the name of Jesus Christ. Ephesians 5:23. Exactly how Ephesians 5:23 relates to this is difficult to say. At any rate, the point normally made by Mormons in regard to this is that the name on the letterhead of your church must include the phrase “Jesus Christ.” Just how official names are involved in saving someone is again not clear. Biblically, the Church is called the Church of Christ. It is also called the Body of Christ. Does that mean we should make sure the phrase “Body of Christ” is on our letterheads, also? Or is it more consistent to see that the Church as it is expressed universally is the Church of Christ, and the local assembly takes the name that would best describe it – such as the Church at Rome, the Church of the Thessalonians, the Church at Philippi? The Bible nowhere commands us to attach a specific name to our local congregation. Christians are Christians whether they worship in the same building and in the exact same manner or not.
 

Bonnie

Super Member
Here is James White's response:

#2. The true church must bear the name of Jesus Christ. Ephesians 5:23. Exactly how Ephesians 5:23 relates to this is difficult to say. At any rate, the point normally made by Mormons in regard to this is that the name on the letterhead of your church must include the phrase “Jesus Christ.” Just how official names are involved in saving someone is again not clear. Biblically, the Church is called the Church of Christ. It is also called the Body of Christ. Does that mean we should make sure the phrase “Body of Christ” is on our letterheads, also? Or is it more consistent to see that the Church as it is expressed universally is the Church of Christ, and the local assembly takes the name that would best describe it – such as the Church at Rome, the Church of the Thessalonians, the Church at Philippi? The Bible nowhere commands us to attach a specific name to our local congregation. Christians are Christians whether they worship in the same building and in the exact same manner or not.
Good response by White. Also, the church is also called "the Way" in the NT...does that mean that all church bodies MUST have "the Way" in its official name?

But the individual names of churches in my synod very often have one of Jesus' many titles in it--my own does. Like "Our Savior, Redeemer, Christ the King, Lord of Life, Prince of Peace, Gloria Dei, etc. OR a gifts of the Spirit, like Faith, Joy, Peace, Grace, etc. OR sometimes named after great Christians, like Paul, Peter, Stephen, Mark, etc.

So, having Jesus' name in a church's official name is NO guarantee that it teaches the truth--is it? The LDS church is the prime example of this. In fact, one could say that it is a "bait and switch" church. Some people may join, thinking they are joining a true, Christian church, since most don't know of its more...bizarre teachings until after they have belonged for awhile. Then slowly, they get introduced to the heretical teachings, which can be quite shocking to them. It was to James Spencer, when he first heard of the doctrine that men can become gods. He heard it first from his bishop about 5 months after he joined. He was profoundly shocked and his conscience was practically screaming at him, that it was false. But he figured the fault must be with him and not the church. But he was profoundly wrong, wasn't he? As he found out, nearly 10 years later.
 

dberrie2020

Well-known member
Are we saved by belonging to a church that has Jesus' name in it, OR are we saved by believing ON the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ? Which is it, dberrie?

Those things weren't mutually exclusive in the Biblical text:

Hebrews 12:22-23---King James Version
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Is a church that has Jesus' name in it automatically a TRUE church--
Please reread my

As I stated--the guarantee is when a church doesn't bear His name, the name of Jesus Christ.

Especially when the church is named after an ordinary man. One rest assured that isn't Christ's church:

Acts 4:10-12----King James Version
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

So--- what name does the church you attend bear?

The church I attend is--The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
 

Bonnie

Super Member
But the fact that Mormonism teaches blasphemous doctrines proves that is NOT Jesus Christ's actual church. Mormonism is a counterfeit.

Exactly. As I have written on these boards before....the LDS church is an iron pyrite church--looks like real gold on the surface, but scratch beneath it....and one can see it is counterfeit, if one compares its more....bizarre teachings with what the Bible actually teaches us.
 

Bonnie

Super Member
Those things weren't mutually exclusive in the Biblical text:

Hebrews 12:22-23---King James Version
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,


Please reread my



So--- what name does the church you attend bear?

The church I attend is--The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
That is YOUR problem, isn't it? Not mine!
 

dberrie2020

Well-known member
That is YOUR problem, isn't it? Not mine!
Why is naming one's church after the name of Jesus Christ--a problem?

Acts 4:10-12----King James Version
10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
 

dberrie2020

Well-known member
But the fact that Mormonism teaches blasphemous doctrines proves that is NOT Jesus Christ's actual church.

Such as this?

James 2:24---King James Version
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

So--what's the bigger blasphemy--teaching "not by faith alone"--or naming one's church after the Savior Jesus Christ? Perhaps--not changing a word in the Bible to fit one's theology?
 

Theo1689

Well-known member
Such as this?

James 2:24---King James Version
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

<sigh>

I think if you EVER addressed any of the following, I would drop dead from shock.

Eph. 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

2 Tim. 1:9 who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,

Tit. 3:5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Rom. 4:4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:

Rom. 11:5
So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. 6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.


So--what's the bigger blasphemy--teaching "not by faith alone"--

That's not "blasphemy", that's BIBLE (Eph. 2:8-9, 2 Tim. 1:9, Tit. 3:5, Rom. 4:1-5, Rom. 11:5-6, etc. etc., see above).

or naming one's church after the Savior Jesus Christ?

When your church is NOT Christ's actual church, that IS blasphemy.

Perhaps--not changing a word in the Bible to fit one's theology?

You mean like JOSEPH SMITH did, in Romans 4 and MANY other passages?
 

dberrie2020

Well-known member
Exactly. As I have written on these boards before....the LDS church is an iron pyrite church--looks like real gold on the surface, but scratch beneath it....and one can see it is counterfeit, if one compares its more....bizarre teachings with what the Bible actually teaches us.

That's probably the same accusation the traditional Jews made against the Lord's apostles, and their writings, and still do.
 

The Prophet

Active member
That only connects one's actions, and His name--with His Kingdom.

How do you claim to fit that into your theology?



I have one even better than that--and that is churches which teach there are no acts of obedience to Jesus Christ which are required for eternal life to occur. That can be proven false by just a casual reading of the Biblical NT--it's not just an opinion.
Not one Apostle ever mentioned The Priesthood Authority :)
 

Bonnie

Super Member
Not one Apostle ever mentioned The Priesthood Authority :)
This is most certainly true. Instead, Peter calls ALL believers a "royal priesthood", and Hebrews 1:6 says it is Jesus who has made us so. HE gave us the authority. Not the phony priesthood holders of the LDS church.
 

Bonnie

Super Member
But the fact that Mormonism teaches blasphemous doctrines proves that is NOT Jesus Christ's actual church. Mormonism is a counterfeit.
An iron pyrite church! Looks genuine on the surface, but scratch below the surface...
 
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Bonnie

Super Member
That's probably the same accusation the traditional Jews made against the Lord's apostles, and their writings, and still do.
Except they rejected JESUS as the Messiah, which led them to reject the epistles and Gospels--true Christians do not do that, do they?
 

Bonnie

Super Member
Which means they rejected the continuing revelation the Lord's church enjoys--right? The living, mortal apostles and prophets?
Yes, they reject the FALSE revelations of the mortal FALSE apostles and prophets of the FALSE CHURCH of the Latter Day Saints--don't they? Because they recognize they are false by their fruits and false teachings, when compared with what the Bible actually says--don't they?
 
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