agreed .....
The exchange was evasive.
Here is your quote:
This may be answered already in the thread, but I will state it just the same Faith is counted as righteousness
Rom 4:9 faith...credited...as righteousness
We do not see any other way that God declares a man righteous than by faith.
And of note, the opposite is never stated: righteousness is credited as faith, this is not a Biblical idea.
My response:
Not necessarily .....
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! - American Standard Version (1901) Cursed are those who give the name of good to evil, and of evil to what is good: who make light dark, and dark light: who make bitter sweet, and sweet bitter!
I edited your post .....above.
To show perhaps, a contradiction?
Which Paul responded to; denying the charge, let us do evil that good may come.
Seems like a little sword play between the apostles.
Abraham and believers are righteous before God because they "did believe God" and they believe what God believes. So, the righteous can't even claim their saving faith and belief as their own, but their righteousness must come from believing even their belief originates in and with God and not themselves.
What, then, shall we say Abraham our father, to have found, according to flesh? for if Abraham by works was declared righteous, he hath to boast -- but not before god; for what doth the writing say? `
And Abraham did believe God, and it was reckoned to him -- to righteousness; 'and to him who is working, the reward is not reckoned of grace, but of debt; and to him who is not working, and is believing upon Him who is declaring righteous the impious, his faith is reckoned -- to righteousness:
even as David also doth speak of the happiness of the man to whom God doth reckon righteousness apart from works: `Happy they whose lawless acts were forgiven, and whose sins were covered; happy the man to whom the Lord may not reckon sin.'
[Is] this happiness, then, upon the circumcision, or also upon the uncircumcision -- for we say that the faith was reckoned to Abraham -- to righteousness?
how then was it reckoned? he being in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision; and a sign he did receive of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith in the uncircumcision, for his being father of all those believing through uncircumcision, for the righteousness also being reckoned to them, and father of circumcision to those not of circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of the faith, that [is] in the uncircumcision of our father Abraham.
For not through law [is] the promise to Abraham, or to his seed, of his being heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith; for if they who are of law [are] heirs, the faith hath been made void, and the promise hath been made useless; for the law doth work wrath; for where law is not, neither [is] transgression.
Because of this [it is] of faith, that [it may be] according to grace, for the promise being sure to all the seed, not to that which [is] of the law only, but also to that which [is] of the faith of Abraham, who is father of us all (according as it hath been written -- `A father of many nations I have set thee,') before Him whom he did believe -- God, who is quickening the dead, and is calling the things that be not as being.
Who, against hope in hope did believe, for his becoming father of many nations according to that spoken: `So shall thy seed be;' and not having been weak in the faith, he did not consider his own body, already become dead, (being about a hundred years old,) and the deadness of Sarah's womb, and at the promise of God did not stagger in unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, having given glory to God, and having been fully persuaded that what He hath promised He is able also to do: wherefore also it was reckoned to him to righteousness.
And it was not written on his account alone, that it was reckoned to him, but also on ours, to whom it is about to be reckoned -- to us believing on Him who did raise up Jesus our Lord out of the dead, who was delivered up because of our offences, and was raised up because of our being declared righteous. (Romans 4)
