How is a person made righteous before God?

Before God granted me faith I was out of town in Prescott for a wedding. At this time I had 4 herniations in my spine that caused pain 24/7. I was in tears while walking aorund town with my wife so we got an uber to go back to our airbnb. Our driver had the Christian radio on at the time. I identified as a Christian, yet my faith was willed by myself. It was fake, with self righteous works to assure me. Anyways, I asked the man who was driving us if he was a Christian and he said yes. I went on to explain about the pain I was in, because he could tell something was wrong. He asked if he could pray over me, put some annoiting oil on me and then heal me. I was desperate for any kind of help so I said yes. He said he had the gift of healing. Well he put the oil on my face and some other areas(I forget) and prayed, and then asked me how I felt. I told him I felt the same. He asked if he could try again, so I was like ok. He did the same exact thing again and asked, how do you feel? Same.

I do not doubt that God can use his creation in order to bring about what He wants, I just have not ever seen it happen or hear about it.
I remember being in a lot of leg pain, both legs were seized with cramps and excruciating, and was using two canes to literally slowly shuffled into church and asked a lady who I knew had the gift of healing to meet me after church. After she prayed for me, nothing happened. The next day, God spoke to me, one word, and said a word of knowledge "Toxic" and a word of wisdom that it was the oxycotin that my dr. prescribed that was the problem, so do a detox. I had a bottle of detox herb capsules from herbdoc.com in their Bowl Detox program called Formula 2 (bottle of 250) that you take 10 capsules, 5 times a day to total 50 capsules; then 2 capsules that night of Formula 1 to eliminate the toxins, and by the next day most of the pain was gone and the toxins were out of me. I did that for 2 days. The reason why He didn't heal me immediately, was because I still had the oxycotin, and that was the unknown cause. I still have whats left of that 90 tablet bottle of oxycotin dated 2012. I should probably turn them in somewhere to be destroyed.

I had only taken 1 oxycotin twice a day for about a week. I hated the dizzy feeling it gave me, and didn't seem to do anything for my pain; infact, the pain began to increase everyday. I didn't put two and two together. God had to speak to me and tell me in His own timing showing me at the same time how dangerous that drug was.
 
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I remember being in a lot of leg pain, both legs were seized with cramps and excruciating, and was using two canes to literally slowly shuffled into church and asked a lady who I knew had the gift of healing to meet me after church. After she prayed for me, nothing happened. The next day, God spoke to me, one word, and said a word of knowledge "Toxic" and a word of wisdom that it was the oxycotin that my dr. prescribed that was the problem, so do a detox. I had a bottle of detox herb capsules from herbdoc.com in their Bowl Detox program called Formula 2 (bottle of 250) that you take 10 capsules, 5 times a day to total 50 capsules; then 2 capsules that night of Formula 1 to eliminate the toxins, and by the next day most of the pain was gone and the toxins were out of me. I did that for 2 days. The reason why He didn't heal me immediately, was because I still had the oxycotin, and that was the unknown cause. I still have whats left of that 90 tablet bottle of oxycotin dated 2012. I should probably turn them in somewhere to be destroyed.

I had only taken 1 oxycotin twice a day for about a week. I hated the dizzy feeling it gave me, and didn't seem to do anything for my pain; infact, the pain began to increase everyday. I didn't put two and two together. God had to speak to me and tell me in His own timing showing me at the same time how dangerous that drug was.

Anything that prevents one from believing the truth is spiritually toxic. You were healed as soon as you believed God that what you were taking was toxic.

I am astonished that big pharma is permitted to sell such poison, prescription opioids are a bigger drug problem than street drugs ever were.
 
agreed .....

The exchange was evasive.

Here is your quote:

This may be answered already in the thread, but I will state it just the same Faith is counted as righteousness
Rom 4:9 faith...credited...as righteousness
We do not see any other way that God declares a man righteous than by faith.

And of note, the opposite is never stated: righteousness is credited as faith, this is not a Biblical idea.

My response:

Not necessarily .....


Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! - American Standard Version (1901) Cursed are those who give the name of good to evil, and of evil to what is good: who make light dark, and dark light: who make bitter sweet, and sweet bitter!

I edited your post .....above.

To show perhaps, a contradiction?

Which Paul responded to; denying the charge, let us do evil that good may come.

Seems like a little sword play between the apostles.

Abraham and believers are righteous before God because they "did believe God" and they believe what God believes. So, the righteous can't even claim their saving faith and belief as their own, but their righteousness must come from believing even their belief originates in and with God and not themselves.

What, then, shall we say Abraham our father, to have found, according to flesh? for if Abraham by works was declared righteous, he hath to boast -- but not before god; for what doth the writing say? `And Abraham did believe God, and it was reckoned to him -- to righteousness; 'and to him who is working, the reward is not reckoned of grace, but of debt; and to him who is not working, and is believing upon Him who is declaring righteous the impious, his faith is reckoned -- to righteousness:
even as David also doth speak of the happiness of the man to whom God doth reckon righteousness apart from works: `Happy they whose lawless acts were forgiven, and whose sins were covered; happy the man to whom the Lord may not reckon sin.'
[Is] this happiness, then, upon the circumcision, or also upon the uncircumcision -- for we say that the faith was reckoned to Abraham -- to righteousness?
how then was it reckoned? he being in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision; and a sign he did receive of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith in the uncircumcision, for his being father of all those believing through uncircumcision, for the righteousness also being reckoned to them, and father of circumcision to those not of circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of the faith, that [is] in the uncircumcision of our father Abraham.
For not through law [is] the promise to Abraham, or to his seed, of his being heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith; for if they who are of law [are] heirs, the faith hath been made void, and the promise hath been made useless; for the law doth work wrath; for where law is not, neither [is] transgression.
Because of this [it is] of faith, that [it may be] according to grace, for the promise being sure to all the seed, not to that which [is] of the law only, but also to that which [is] of the faith of Abraham, who is father of us all (according as it hath been written -- `A father of many nations I have set thee,') before Him whom he did believe -- God, who is quickening the dead, and is calling the things that be not as being.
Who, against hope in hope did believe, for his becoming father of many nations according to that spoken: `So shall thy seed be;' and not having been weak in the faith, he did not consider his own body, already become dead, (being about a hundred years old,) and the deadness of Sarah's womb, and at the promise of God did not stagger in unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, having given glory to God, and having been fully persuaded that what He hath promised He is able also to do: wherefore also it was reckoned to him to righteousness.
And it was not written on his account alone, that it was reckoned to him, but also on ours, to whom it is about to be reckoned -- to us believing on Him who did raise up Jesus our Lord out of the dead, who was delivered up because of our offences, and was raised up because of our being declared righteous. (Romans 4)
 
civic said the Incarnation was permanent like all of Christianity believes. Are you affirming Jesus is still God and man ?
What I said was when I hear Bible truth I will agree and amen regardless of who is posting it. I am not supporting any faction, just striving to know Biblical truth,
But as to your question, Biblcal evidence tells me Jesus ws only a man for a little while. The Bible states it "He was for a little while lower than the angels."
You seem to have a direct line that others don’t . Could you pray for him to be healed ?
We should all have a direct line to God if we are born again
 
But as to your question, Biblcal evidence tells me Jesus ws only a man for a little while. The Bible states it "He was for a little while lower than the angels."

How do you get from:

"He was for a little while lower than the angels" (which refers to status);

to...

"Jesus ws [sic] only a man for a little while" (which refers to nature)?
 
How do you get from:

"He was for a little while lower than the angels" (which refers to status);

to...

"Jesus ws [sic] only a man for a little while" (which refers to nature)?
You invented the status or nature argument. It does not say that. it only says that Jesus was for a little while lower than the angels
And so are we.
 
You invented the status or nature argument. It does not say that. it only says that Jesus was for a little while lower than the angels
And so are we.

You still haven't demonstrated how you got "Jesus is no longer human" from "He was for a little while lower than the angels".

It simply isn't there, and everyone can see it.
 
You still haven't demonstrated how you got "Jesus is no longer human" from "He was for a little while lower than the angels".

It simply isn't there, and everyone can see it.
It is a start. The verse speaks of Him becoming a man, which we all agree to, and specifies it was for a little while.
Since men are still lower than angels, and Jesus is no longer lower, He is at the least different from us in reference to His humanity
 
It is a start. The verse speaks of Him becoming a man, which we all agree to, and specifies it was for a little while.

No.

It says He was "lower than the angels" for a little while.
Not, "he was man only for a little while".

So you admit you can't demonstrate your false teaching from Scripture?
Maybe God didn't give you "the gift of teaching" after all?
 
No.

It says He was "lower than the angels" for a little while.
Not, "he was man only for a little while".

So you admit you can't demonstrate your false teaching from Scripture?
Maybe God didn't give you "the gift of teaching" after all?
I admit it is a start. You don't even recognize the verse for what it does say, and what it tells us.
God became a man for a little while. We are are still men, so at the very least, in reference to our humanity, jesus is above us and different from our current humanity

As far as a teaching gift, you can lead a Calvinist to doctrine, but you can't make him think.
 
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I admit it us a start. You don't even recognize the verse for what it does say, and what it tells us.

Thank you for the insult, seth.
You clearly don't understand the difference between "not recognizing", and "recognizing but disagreeing".

All you're doing is derailing to make excuses for why you can't demonstrate your false teachings from Scripture.

God became a man for a little while.

Scripture STILL never teaches this.

As far as a teaching gift, you can lead a Calvinist to doctrine, but you can't make him think.

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Thank you for another example of deflection by insulting others.
True teachers don't insult others.
You clearly have NOT been given "the gift of teaching"
 
Thank you for the insult, seth.
You clearly don't understand the difference between "not recognizing", and "recognizing but disagreeing".

All you're doing is derailing to make excuses for why you can't demonstrate your false teachings from Scripture.



Scripture STILL never teaches this.



<sigh>

Thank you for another example of deflection by insulting others.
True teachers don't insult others.
You clearly have NOT been given "the gift of teaching"
I recall jesus calling someone a hypocrite and a blind guide. There is a time in teaching for calling out people for what they are.
It is against the rules here on CARM.

As for you all you are doing is claiming I am wrong that Jesus became a man for a little while.
What does the passage mean? It refers to humanity and Jesus.
What happened to Jesus for a little while? Can you explain that?
 
I recall jesus calling someone a hypocrite and a blind guide. There is a time in teaching for calling out people for what they are.
It is against the rules here on CARM.

As for you all you are doing is claiming I am wrong that Jesus became a man for a little while.
What does the passage mean? It refers to humanity and Jesus.
What happened to Jesus for a little while? Can you explain that?

<Chuckle>

Cue to where Seth can't support his false claims and fallaciously shifts the burden of proof to others to "disprove" what HE hasn't "proven" in the first place.
 
<Chuckle>

Cue to where Seth can't support his false claims and fallaciously shifts the burden of proof to others to "disprove" what HE hasn't "proven" in the first place.
Any idea what it means that mankind is lower than the angels for a little while?
And also how that applies to Jesus?
 
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Cue to where Seth can't support his false claims and fallaciously shifts the burden of proof to others to "disprove" what HE hasn't "proven" in the first place
No. I already supported my claim. If someone disagrees, the proper thing is to explain why, by giving their own understanding
 
No. I already supported my claim.

No, you didn't.

So you're admitting that you were talking out of your butt.
Thank you for the admission.

If someone disagrees, the proper thing is to explain why, by giving their own understanding

<Chuckle>
So you never have to prove your bogus claims, but anyone who disagrees with your bogus claims has to provide proof?
What colour is the sky in your world, seth?
 
No, you didn't.

So you're admitting that you were talking out of your butt.
Thank you for the admission.



<Chuckle>
So you never have to prove your bogus claims, but anyone who disagrees with your bogus claims has to provide proof?
What colour is the sky in your world, seth?
I told you what i thought it meant, how are you suggesting that I prove I am right?
 
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