preacher4truth
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Read 2 Timothy 2:8-10 the answer is right there but you'll most likely reject it because you won't like what it states, or, you'll twist it's plain teaching.
Up to you...
How is a person made righteous before God?
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Up to you...
Manfred
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The Gospel is Divine Power of God
The Holy Spirit is Divine Power of God
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
4 and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, 5 that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
18 For I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me to bring the Gentiles to obedience—by word and deed, 19 by the power of signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God—
2Co 13:4 For he was crucified in weakness, but lives by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but in dealing with you we will live with him by the power of God.
Manfred
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Where?
I see a lot of claims about Calvinists this, and Calvinists that....
Who is Dr. Parsley? A puritan freshman..... Does he speak for reformed Theology.........
eternomade
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This is why false gospels don't save...
Manfred
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Your choosing not to sin shows that you are still walking in the flesh where all decisions are made.
Manfred
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You mean you had to think about it first and then you had to make a decision as to whether or not you wanted to believe?
Manfred
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Yes, please!
Bob Carabbio
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OF course!! I RESISTED it many times - before the last time.
Bob Carabbio
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PSST!! I'm not a "Sovereign gracer", OR a Calvinist. (Chuckle) and I was led into salvation by a fellow who'd never cracked the Bible in his life. all he could tell me was what he remembered about what HE was told the night before (that, along with the conviction of the Holy SPirit, led to HIS salvation). That, plus CONVICTION OF SIN and of judgement, was enough to get 'er done.
Remember the claim in the O.P: There is no human willing, choosing, or asking.
I was finally WILLING, I CHOSE, and I ASKED - BIG TIME. Did YOU have anything to do with your salvation??
Manfred
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At least you admit that it is irresistible....
2 Truly I know that it is so:
But how can a man be in the right before God?
3 If one wished to contend with him,
one could not answer him once in a thousand times.
4 He is wise in heart and mighty in strength
—who has hardened himself against him, and succeeded?—
Tell me was it your will to get saved or was it God that willed that you be saved?
Bob Carabbio
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My will of course. No Question about that. OF course it was GOD'S WILL to give me the CHOICE, and the FAITH to "Get 'er done". SO a collaborative process to be sure.
I COULD have blown Him off the last time too, BUT - since Repenting / being Born Again is ONLY possible under CONVICTION, and it had been a LONG time since He'd Convicted me the last time, and I was afraid that I wouldn't survive long enough for Him to do it again (or maybe He wouldn't do it again), and I'd be eternally LOST. So I surrendered, and cried out to Him.
Manfred
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Nah- I doubt that otherwise you would have. If that conviction was irresistible you would have rejected Him regardless of the consequences.
Manfred
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Just to clarify. You chose to have God reveal Himself to you?
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TomFL
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Admit it was irresistible ?
OF course!! I RESISTED it many times - before the last time.
He stated it was resisted
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TomFL
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preacher4truth
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His post wasn't directed at you. You're digging for a fight and quarreling so soon after your trip?
Yep.
Manfred
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Did he?
Why then is he regenerated if his resisting was successful?
2 Truly I know that it is so:
But how can a man be in the right before God?
3 If one wished to contend with him,
one could not answer him once in a thousand times.
4 He is wise in heart and mighty in strength
—who has hardened himself against him, and succeeded?—
You see verse 4 above?
I know false teachers teach that the gospel is fully revealed to each and every person and that they merely have to choose to do the right thing and then receive blessing and grace and accolades.
False teachers also teach that when God reveals the gospel you can harden yourself against Him, and succeed!
Manfred
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Yes, here:
His will to get saved is what He said. I therefore asked for clarification.
What is your problem with my question btw?
Are you somehow suggesting he did not say it was his will to get saved, and not God's will to save him?
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TomFL
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Except the question was
OF course!! I RESISTED it many times - before the last time.
nothing to do with choosing to have God reveal truth
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TomFL
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And my post was not directed to you.
If that is the determination of a desire to quarrel and dig for a fight
how is that not a double standard to not apply the same to yourself ?
so are you quarreling and digging for a fight because my post was not directed to you ?