ReverendRV
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I agree with you here...
How is a person made righteous before God?
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Theo1689
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Yes, when they hear the gospel.
Just like God gives the growth (1Cor. 3:6) after the seeds are sown.
Theo1689
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I think people should consider the faith chapter.
There seems to a tension involved.
Theo1689
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The object of that faith is different . One is in the true Christ while a unitarian is in a false christ.
ReverendRV
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Now that's confusing...
Define true christ?
and good luck with that one .....
4Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.
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Faith doesn't exist without God, because belief, truth and reality originated in and is the result and product of God's Believing Mind. And not man's.
Ya like water.....
The one who believes even their belief and faith originates in and with God is biblical faith. And the others aren't.
Theo1689
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John Piper wrote...
"We are utterly dependent on God’s grace to overcome our rebellion, give us eyes to see, and effectively draw us to the Savior."
What We Believe About the Five Points of Calvinism
To know God in his sovereignty is to become like an oak tree in the wind of adversity and confusion.www.desiringgod.org
So how is that in any way at odds with what I said?
Clearly YOU are the one who doesn't understand Calvinism.
Theo1689
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Quite the conundrum.
Romans 14:13 13Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister.
The bible is tricky.
1 Peter 2:8 8and, "A stone that causes people to stumble and a rock that makes them fall." They stumble because they disobey the message-which is also what they were destined for.
Seems like a tension .....
ReverendRV
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But you said you thought the Spirit of God drew men... https://forums.carm.org/threads/how-is-a-person-made-righteous-before-god.6847/post-459881 That is consistent with Calvinism...
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Then why the conversion thingy?
It doesn't, because everything that exists requires a way and place in order to be known to exist and occur. And the only way and place that is known to exist that can host faith, belief, truth and the reality of God is His Believing Mind. Outside of a believing mind, there is no other way or place that anything can be known to exist or occur.
So why would god be looking to convert?
ReverendRV
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God doesn't need to convert. Besides; he never changes ..
God doesn't need to convert
Of course not ..... but there seems to some conversion thingy going on.
Besides; he never changes ..
This is a bit of a misnomer .......
Did he ever repent or change his mind?