How is a person made righteous before God?

[Sethproton]

I believe scripture is clear one is made righteous before God solely on the finished work of Christ. There is no condition on man. All conditions were placed on Jesus Christ, which He perfectly kept. There is no human willing, choosing, or asking. The Gospel is Good news because Jesus has completed everything necessary in order to make a person righteous before God.

Psalm 130
Out of the depths I cry to you, O Lord!
2 O Lord, hear my voice!
Let your ears be attentive
to the voice of my pleas for mercy!
3 If you, O Lord, should mark iniquities,
O Lord, who could stand?
4 But with you there is forgiveness,
that you may be feared.
5 I wait for the Lord, my soul waits,
and in his word I hope;
6 my soul waits for the Lord
more than watchmen for the morning,
more than watchmen for the morning.
7 O Israel, hope in the Lord!
For with the Lord there is steadfast love,
and with him is plentiful redemption.
8 And he will redeem Israel
from all his iniquities.

This may be answered already in the thread, but I will state it just the same Faith is counted as righteousness
Rom 4:9 faith...credited...as righteousness
We do not see any other way that God declares a man righteous than by faith.
And of note, the opposite is never stated: righteousness is credited as faith, this is not a Biblical idea

 

[guest1]

This may be answered already in the thread, but I will state it just the same Faith is counted as righteousness
Rom 4:9 faith...credited...as righteousness
We do not see any other way that God declares a man righteous than by faith.
And of note, the opposite is never stated: righteousness is credited as faith, this is not a Biblical idea

Sure it is try reading James sometime where he tells you faith without works is dead just as dead as the faith of demons . So faith apart from works doesn’t save.

It’s to bad all your beliefs are unbiblical

next……

 

[Slyzr]

This may be answered already in the thread, but I will state it just the same Faith is counted as righteousness
Rom 4:9 faith...credited...as righteousness
We do not see any other way that God declares a man righteous than by faith.
And of note, the opposite is never stated: righteousness is credited as faith, this is not a Biblical idea

Not necessarily .....

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! - American Standard Version (1901) Cursed are those who give the name of good to evil, and of evil to what is good: who make light dark, and dark light: who make bitter sweet, and sweet bitter!

 

[Slyzr]

No. God cannot contradict Himself.

Post 83.

 

[Sethproton]

Not necessarily .....

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! - American Standard Version (1901) Cursed are those who give the name of good to evil, and of evil to what is good: who make light dark, and dark light: who make bitter sweet, and sweet bitter!

I do not follow the connection between my post and yours. Can you fill in the blanks?

 

[Slyzr]

I do not follow the connection between my post and yours. Can you fill in the blanks?

agreed .....

The exchange was evasive.

Here is your quote:

This may be answered already in the thread, but I will state it just the same Faith is counted as righteousness
Rom 4:9 faith...credited...as righteousness
We do not see any other way that God declares a man righteous than by faith.

And of note, the opposite is never stated: righteousness is credited as faith, this is not a Biblical idea.



My response:

Not necessarily .....


Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! - American Standard Version (1901) Cursed are those who give the name of good to evil, and of evil to what is good: who make light dark, and dark light: who make bitter sweet, and sweet bitter!

I edited your post .....above.

To show perhaps, a contradiction?

Which Paul responded to; denying the charge, let us do evil that good may come.

Seems like a little sword play between the apostles.

 

[Sethproton]

agreed .....

The exchange was evasive.

Here is your quote:

This may be answered already in the thread, but I will state it just the same Faith is counted as righteousness
Rom 4:9 faith...credited...as righteousness
We do not see any other way that God declares a man righteous than by faith.

And of note, the opposite is never stated: righteousness is credited as faith, this is not a Biblical idea.



My response:

Not necessarily .....

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! - American Standard Version (1901) Cursed are those who give the name of good to evil, and of evil to what is good: who make light dark, and dark light: who make bitter sweet, and sweet bitter!

I edited your post .....above.

To show perhaps, a contradiction?

I thank you for trying to clarify, but I still do not understand what comment you are making about the fact that God counts faith as righteousness.
The tone of your post sounds like you are denying that, but I cannot tell how your post connects to that idea

 

[Slyzr]

I thank you for trying to clarify, but I still do not understand what comment you are making about the fact that God counts faith as righteousness.
The tone of your post sounds like you are denying that, but I cannot tell how your post connects to that idea

Reference the post you are responding to.

BTW .... I edited post 100.

Before seeing your response.

If that was what you were responding to.

 

[CharismaticLady]

This may be answered already in the thread, but I will state it just the same Faith is counted as righteousness
Rom 4:9 faith...credited...as righteousness
We do not see any other way that God declares a man righteous than by faith.
And of note, the opposite is never stated: righteousness is credited as faith, this is not a Biblical idea

Agreed. On the finished work of Jesus, the whole world can be made righteous IF each one has faith. After the finished work of Jesus, the key is faith. And what is faith? Like Abraham, it is belief and obedience to the Word of God.

c: @eternomade

 

[Sethproton]

Agreed. On the finished work of Jesus, the whole world can be made righteous IF each one has faith. After the finished work of Jesus, the key is faith. And what is faith? Like Abraham, it is belief and obedience to the Word of God.

c: @eternomade

Yes, this is standard Christianity, glad to hear you chime in

 

[CharismaticLady]

Yes, this is standard Christianity, glad to hear you chime in

Unfortunately edit per mod, only election.

 

[eternomade]

Unfortunately there are doctrines of demons that say obedience has nothing to do with it, only election.

Obedience has nothing to do with salvation. That is why it is good news...

Please don't call me antinomian either.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Obedience has nothing to do with salvation. That is why it is good news...

Please don't call me antinomian either.

By that, if you mean you don't have to first be obedient in order to earn salvation, I agree whole heartedly. I couldn't obey. That's why I cried out to Jesus to come inside me and be my strength. And He did, and I instantly became strong. In the beginning, I may have grieved the Holy Spirit when my fruit was immature, but what I never did was quench the Holy Spirit. That is when we would willfully commit sins of lawlessness - sins unto death. Do you understand what I'm saying? Are we on the same page? I hope so.

 

[eternomade]

By that, if you mean you don't have to first be obedient in order to earn salvation, I agree whole heartedly. I couldn't obey. That's why I cried out to Jesus to come inside me and be my strength. And He did, and I instantly became strong. In the beginning, I may have grieved the Holy Spirit when my fruit was immature, but what I never did was quench the Holy Spirit. That is when we would willfully commit sins of lawlessness - sins unto death. Do you understand what I'm saying? Are we on the same page? I hope so.

I don't think we are.

I sin daily, hourly and by the minute even. This is not me bragging, but showing you that after regeneration, we still sin. I know that there is only one who is righteous, Jesus Christ. When we make the claim that we are righteous, like Jesus is, we elevate man and minimize God. This is not good. This is how the Pharisees saw themselves.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I don't think we are.

I sin daily, hourly and by the minute even. This is not me bragging, but showing you that after regeneration, we still sin. I know that there is only one who is righteous, Jesus Christ. When we make the claim that we are righteous, like Jesus is, we elevate man and minimize God. This is not good. This is how the Pharisees saw themselves.

So Jesus has not freed you from sin as He promised? Well, He has me. His Word is true.

May I ask what denomination taught you that sinning is natural for a born again Christian? That's sick teaching.

 

[eternomade]

So Jesus has not freed you from sin as He promised? Well, He has me. His Word is true.

He has made His Sheep righteous already. This does not mean that the Sheep do not still sin, but rather we don't keep on sinning, knowing that grace abounds all the more. Paul speaks about this earlier in Romans 6 when he talks about "hyper-grace".

May I ask what denomination taught you that sinning is natural for a born again Christian? That's sick teaching.

The Bible. The thought that Christ redeems His chosen people unconditionally can be sickening to some people.

 

[CharismaticLady]

He has made His Sheep righteous already. This does not mean that the Sheep do not still sin, but rather we don't keep on sinning, knowing that grace abounds all the more. Paul speaks about this earlier in Romans 6 when he talks about "hyper-grace".

Not sure why you can't see that we are dead to sin in Romans 6, and that we can choose to sin and become a slave to sin again, or we can choose Jesus as our master and continue being free from sin. For someone to say they sin every moment of every day seems like someone who has not yet been freed from sin and born again with the divine nature of God. 2 Peter 1:2-4 through 11. Grace is the divine power of God given to us to continue in our freedom.

The Bible. The thought that Christ redeems His chosen people unconditionally can be sickening to some people.

No, a very liberal denomination taught you that, because that is not what the Bible teaches. John 8:32-36; 1 John 3. Romans 8:1-9. In fact, it is the opposite of what the Bible teaches.

 

[Sethproton]

Not sure why you can't see that we are dead to sin in Romans 6, and that we can choose to sin and become a slave to sin again, or we can choose Jesus as our master and continue being free from sin. For someone to say they sin every moment of every day seems like someone who has not yet been freed from sin and born again with the divine nature of God. 2 Peter 1:2-4 through 11. Grace is the divine power of God given to us to continue in our freedom.



No, a very liberal denomination taught you that, because that is not what the Bible teaches. John 8:32-36; 1 John 3. Romans 8:1-9. In fact, it is the opposite of what the Bible teaches.

Are you meaning to be supporting a salvation by works gospel? I don't think you are, but what you are saying looks to be denying the grace of God and that Jesus paid for all sin.
Can you clarify, as I am hoping I am misreading you.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Are you meaning to be supporting a salvation by works gospel? I don't think you are, but what you are saying looks to be denying the grace of God and that Jesus paid for all sin.
Can you clarify, as I am hoping I am misreading you.

No we can't be righteous from a carnal nature that spews out sin. That nature must die to become dead to sin, and replaced by the divine nature of God which will then naturally keep the laws of God written on our new nature. That is why we must be born again and not in the carnal flesh but in the Spirit. Romans 8:1-9 NKJV (not modern versions) that cut off the condition of Romans 8:1.

Grace is not unmerited favor, though we don't have to be righteous TO BECOME saved, but are given the divine power of God which is His Grace that Jesus was full of Grace and truth. 2 Peter 1:2-4

 

[eternomade]

No we can't be righteous from a carnal nature that spews out sin. That nature must die to become dead to sin, and replaced by the divine nature of God which will then naturally keep the laws of God written on our new nature. That is why we must be born again and not in the carnal flesh but in the Spirit. Romans 8:1-9 NKJV (not modern versions) that cut off the condition of Romans 8:1.

How does our nature die to sin? Also how are we born again?

I did read your testimony that you sent me but I searched for the word "believe" and could not find it anywhere. Do you mind explaining to me how you were born again?