How not to defend the Bible.

[leonard03782]

You made it about me when you accused me of hypocrisy. When defending the Bible, one of the worst things you can do is to attack the person who is openly skeptical about the Bible's truth claims. In so doing, you can make the skeptic even more skeptical about the Bible especially if he knows that we are to get the planks out of our own eyes before we can see clearly to remove motes out of other people's eyes. The skeptic might see you as not obeying the Bible and conclude that he need not obey it either.

I didn't accuse you of hypocrisy, your own words did.

 

[JonHawk]

JonHawk said:
Who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time;

And you also were included in Christ when you the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed,
you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit; Eph 1:13

We thank God constantly that when you heard the gospel, you received the word of truth, which effectively renews the hearts of believers. (1 Thess 2:13)

Because from the beginning God chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth; (2 Thess 2:13)

For which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle—I am speaking the truth in Christ Jesus; 1 Tim 2:5-7

But if you have bitter envy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not blatantly lie against the truth; James 3:14
For the wrath of God is indeed being revealed from heaven against workers of iniquity, those who suppress the truth; Romans 1:17-19

For if we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 1 John 1:6

But thanks be to God, who always leads us in triumph in Christ Jesus.
To the unbeliever we are the aroma of death leading to death, and to the believer, the aroma of life leading to life. 2 Cor 2:14-16

Same God who lead Jesus into triumph is the same one who did the same in me.

Matt 3:17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

See Matt 3:16, this is when God saved Jesus and me from these religious minds as yourself.

This is where gnostic minds such as yours miss the mark and can't grasp that Jesus is the redeemer of Israel and have no light in them.

John bore witness, saying, "I came baptizing with water that He should be revealed to Israel."
And John bore testimony, saying, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and He remained upon Him. ...this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ And I have seen and testified that this is the Son of God.” John 1:31-34

7 And a cloud came and overshadowed them; and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son. Hear Him!” 8 Suddenly, when they had looked around, they saw no one anymore, but only Jesus with themselves.
9 Now as they came down from the mountain, He commanded them that they should tell no one the things they had seen, till the Son of Man had risen from the dead. Mark 9:1-9

And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.
And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; 2 Peter 1:18-20

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I didn't accuse you of hypocrisy, your own words did.

I already explained in detail how what I've said is fully justified. If you wish to ignore facts and reason and keep asserting what isn't true, then I won't waste my time dialoguing with you.

 

[leonard03782]

I already explained in detail how what I've said is fully justified. If you wish to ignore facts and reason and keep asserting what isn't true, then I won't waste my time dialoguing with you.

LOL!! You are the one that keeps bringing up the subject.
You are angry and embarrassed because:
1) you got caught
2) you are the one that defined it not me.
3)you got called out for it by a third party.

From what I have noticed, Bible critics have no desire or interest in the truth. The only thing that they are interested in is trying to poke holes in it.

 

[Gary Mac]

JonHawk said:
Who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time;

And you also were included in Christ when you the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed,
you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit; Eph 1:13

We thank God constantly that when you heard the gospel, you received the word of truth, which effectively renews the hearts of believers. (1 Thess 2:13)

Because from the beginning God chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth; (2 Thess 2:13)

For which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle—I am speaking the truth in Christ Jesus; 1 Tim 2:5-7

But if you have bitter envy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not blatantly lie against the truth; James 3:14
For the wrath of God is indeed being revealed from heaven against workers of iniquity, those who suppress the truth; Romans 1:17-19

For if we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 1 John 1:6

But thanks be to God, who always leads us in triumph in Christ Jesus.
To the unbeliever we are the aroma of death leading to death, and to the believer, the aroma of life leading to life. 2 Cor 2:14-16

Matt 3:17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

This is where gnostic minds such as yours miss the mark and can't grasp that Jesus is the redeemer of Israel and have no light in them.

John bore witness, saying, "I came baptizing with water that He should be revealed to Israel."
And John bore testimony, saying, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and He remained upon Him. ...this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ And I have seen and testified that this is the Son of God.” John 1:31-34

7 And a cloud came and overshadowed them; and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son. Hear Him!” 8 Suddenly, when they had looked around, they saw no one anymore, but only Jesus with themselves.
9 Now as they came down from the mountain, He commanded them that they should tell no one the things they had seen, till the Son of Man had risen from the dead. Mark 9:1-9

And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.
And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; 2 Peter 1:18-20

JonHawk said:
Who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time;

And you also were included in Christ when you the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed,
you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit; Eph 1:13

Yes just as it was promised to Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Mary,120, and us all.

We thank God constantly that when you heard the gospel, you received the word of truth, which effectively renews the hearts of believers. (1 Thess 2:13)

Wen I heard Gods voice I received His word.

Because from the beginning God chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth; (2 Thess 2:13)

As with us all from Adam to now.

For which I was appointed a preacher and an apostle—I am speaking the truth in Christ Jesus; 1 Tim 2:5-7

Anointed as a preacher as the Pope, as the Mormons, as the Baptists, etc? COnt they all have appointed preachers?

But if you have bitter envy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not blatantly lie against the truth; James 3:14

And that is the state of religious minds who form their own laws to govern their gods, some here even accuse Jesus of lying.

For the wrath of God is indeed being revealed from heaven against workers of iniquity, those who suppress the truth; Romans 1:17-19

Yes, and that wrath comes in the form of Spirit for the kingdom of God is within, Luke 17:20-21, for if one is not like Him perfect as He is perfect and free from sin, one will stumble in darkness wondering where God is and His heaven. In that one is most miserable being without God as your own mind and disposition as Jesus became in Matt 3:16.

For if we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 1 John 1:6

Yes and Paul was defiantly the sinner instead po the saint and admired it

But thanks be to God, who always leads us in triumph in Christ Jesus.

Jest as Jesus was lead to triumph in Matt 3:16 no different at all. If you are different from what Jesus received from God then you are not of Him at all.

To the unbeliever we are the aroma of death leading to death, and to the believer, the aroma of life leading to life. 2 Cor 2:14-16

To the unbeliever as in, Catholic, Mormons, Baptists and the other 3500 who if you are not of their doctrine is an unbeliever?

Matt 3:17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

Amen I am His soon and I have heard. He cant be pleased with anyone who is not like Him and in His same image as Jesus was.

This is where gnostic minds such as yours miss the mark and can't grasp that Jesus is the redeemer of Israel and have no light in them.

Jesus cant redeem anyone least you follow him to the One who redeemed him in Matt 3:16. You just dont believe that God came to Jesus and spend up who He is and all of His heaven in Matt 3:16. That is why His ways is gnostic for you.

John bore witness, saying, "I came baptizing with water that He should be revealed to Israel."

Yes just as He was revealed in Jesus in Matt 3:16. These have not receieved form God that what Jesus said he receieved from Him and could do noting at all without his Father who sent him to show you Gods ways to be like Him.

You just do not believe Jesus is all. You are of another such as Paul.

And John bore testimony, saying, “I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and He remained upon Him. ...this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’ And I have seen and testified that this is the Son of God.” John 1:31-34

And I bore the same testimony, I have seen Gods Spirit defending upon me , baptizing me with His Holy Sp[irit no different from Him baptizing Jesus with His Spirit as well. Some say He was a dove LOL. And just as with John I have seen and do testify I am Gods son no different from Jesus His son.

If you are different from Who Jesus was in the Father, you are not of Christ at all and has not receieved His Spirit, mind, as Jesus did as God demands of you ion you are to be of Him. Has He said well done good and faithful servant to you? He has me, for I repented of self and receieved Him in His ways just as Jesus did.

7 And a cloud came and overshadowed them; and a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My beloved Son. Hear Him!” 8 Suddenly, when they had looked around, they saw no one anymore, but only Jesus with themselves.
9 Now as they came down from the mountain, He commanded them that they should tell no one the things they had seen, till the Son of Man had risen from the dead. Mark 9:1-9

Here is the key and the errors of yours and others testimonies. Dont say anything until you see the son of man risen from the dead. But you guys cant refrain from telling of the things you have seen and heard that the son of man might come someday and save you. Here is where you error. That son of man is you, but you have not seen and actually hinder the ways off God because you have not seen as Jesus did in Matt 3:16. For to you His ways is gnostic and out of control because you worship a different God from the One Jesus prayed to obeyed and call Father. He is not your Father that is very obvious least you are like Him as Jesus was by the very same avenue Jesus took in Matt 3:16.

And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.

SO did I

And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; 2 Peter 1:18-20

Heed as light that shines in darkness?

Paul as a sinner was in darkness and never received from God the light Jesus received in Matt 3:16 who was without sin and walked in the light as He is in the light.

That is why I follow Jesus and not you nor Paul nor any other man for God is quite sufficient to deliver in me the very same as He did in Jesus in Matt 3:16 where only He can open in you who He is and His heaven as He did in Jesus.= in Matt 3:16.

You havent had that experience of born again as Jesus was in Matt 3:16 have you? To you that is a gnostic lie even though you can read the very book that you say you are of is gnostic.

 

[Gary Mac]

From what I have noticed, Bible critics have no desire or interest in the truth. The only thing that they are interested in is trying to poke holes in it.

And our denominations are notorious for this very thing.
Ask a Catholic the truth and see their truths in a bible.
Ask a Mormon the truth and see their truths from the bible
ask a Pentecostal the truth and see their truths from the Bible.
Ask a Baptists the truth and see the truths from the Bible.

You can go to one of these and say give me the truth.
Go to the one across the street and tell them the truth of the first one and they will tell you no, that is a lie this is the truth.
God to church on the next corner and tell them the truths of the previous and they will tell you they both are wrong, and this is the truth ROFLOL.

But of people would follow Jesus and receieved from God themselves as Jesus did in Matt 3:16 where God gave Jesus His truths, all of these would be of one accord instead scatters over 3500 different belief systems referred to a denominations who try and dominate you to their beliefs.

To most here the days of God as Jesus exampled that you should be is gnostic teachings. Jesus was gnostic to most of you here even when you quote him in what you should be like the Father as he was like the Father. Very few who find His way to be like Him.

 

[JonHawk]

Wen I heard Gods voice I received His word.

He will be as a Sanctuary, But a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense...

To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them. Isa 8:14-20

Here is the key and the errors of yours and others testimonies. Dont say anything until you see the son of man risen from the dead. But you guys cant refrain from telling of the things you have seen and heard that the son of man might come someday and save you. Here is where you error.

What makes you think that they did not wait for what was promised before witnessing?

For we did not follow cunningly devised gnostic fables when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of His majesty.

That son of man is you, but you have not seen and actually hinder the ways off God because you have not seen as Jesus did i

For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain.

To you that is a gnostic lie even though you can read the very book that you say you are of is gnostic.

Get it through your gnostic head that the Son of Man, is Christ Jesus.
And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; 2 Peter 1:16-19

 

[Unknown Soldier]

LOL!! You are the one that keeps bringing up the subject.
You are angry and embarrassed because:
1) you got caught
2) you are the one that defined it not me.
3)you got called out for it by a third party.

Ouch! You really know how to hurt a guy, Leonard. I am now angry and embarrassed. You must feel good about that. You have demonstrated that you are no hypocrite as you laugh giving another person a good hard whack sincerely demonstrating that you truly have the love of Christ in you.

From what I have noticed, Bible critics have no desire or interest in the truth.

I must disagree. It seems to me that most Bible critics are honest people. Just keep in mind that Bible critics can tar Bible believers with the same broad brush.

The only thing that they are interested in is trying to poke holes in it.

Then plug those holes. You can start by loving your enemies. That advice is in the Bible. People are generally more receptive to what you have to say if you aren't clubbing them over the head. If you do so, then it's harder for them to believe that the Bible inspires love.

 

[jamesh]

I know the same God Jesus knew if that is what you mean.

If you knew the same God Jesus knew then why do you deny the deity of Jesus Christ? Jesus said the following at John 5:22-23. "For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given ALL judgment to the Son, vs23 (why?) in order that ALL may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father WHO SENT HIM." Jesus was not created He was sent from heaven to earth when He became flesh. (John 1:14).

Now Gary Mac, can you please explain how you honor God the Father? In what ways do you honor Him? I bring this question up because at John 5:18 Jesus called God the Father His own Father, literally. The Jews picked up on this at vs18 and said, "For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, (why?) because He/Jesus was not only breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, MAKING HIM EQUAL WITH GOD."

At vs 19 Jesus makes the point that as the Son He does not act independently of the Father. What the Jews accused the Son of must apply also to God the Father. What Jesus seeth the Father do means Jesus knows perfectly the will of His Father, for that is His will also. They are in perfect harmony in their nature (John 10:30), plans, and actions. (John 10:30 again.)

So when the Jews opposed Jesus the Son, they were opposing God the Father. The Father worked the miracle on the Sabbath. If you think about it the Jews were warring against the God of the Law they claimed to be defending. Vs 21 is explaining the gift of life is from the Father, yet Jesus gave life to the impotent man because the Father showed Him to do so. "For as " the Father gives life, so does the Son. Btw, as a side note at John 1:4, "In Him WAS life, and the life WAS the light of men." Jesus had life in Himself before He incarnated. Notice the past tense of the words.

Vs22, "For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son." Why? Which brings up the question I ask in the first place. In what way do you honor the Father? Secondly, please explain how you honor the Son in the same way you honor the Father?

IN GOD THE SON,
james

 

[JonHawk]

I must disagree. It seems to me that most Bible critics are honest people.

These honest critics you speak of are forgetting that the Bible teaches that the unconverted heart is deceitful. (Jer 17:9)
They have all turned aside and have together become unprofitable (Rom 3:10-18) hostile toward God. (Rom 8:7)

Just keep in mind that Bible critics can tar Bible believers with the same broad brush.

These critics you speak of can't even make up their minds how we are reconciled.
This righteousness to which the Law and the Prophets testify is given through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. Rom 3:21-24

You can start by loving your enemies.

Therefore receive one another, just as Christ also received us, to the glory of God. Rom 15:7

That advice is in the Bible. People are generally more receptive to what you have to say if you aren't clubbing them over the head.

The proverbial sword only comes out when these critics malign the way of faith.

If you do so, then it's harder for them to believe that the Bible inspires love.

Remembering your faith inspired by love, and patience along with the Lord's people;
We know, brothers and sisters loved by God, that He has chosen you, because our gospel came to you not simply with words but also with power, with the Holy Spirit and much assurance. 1 Thess 1:3-5

 

[Unknown Soldier]

These honest critics you speak of are forgetting that the Bible teaches that the unconverted heart is deceitful. (Jer 17:9)
They have all turned aside and have together become unprofitable (Rom 3:10-18) hostile toward God. (Rom 8:7)

Yes, unconverted hearts can be deceitful. I believe those unconverted hearts can be made less deceitful if those who profess Christ using scripture show the world what it means to be trustworthy and honest. If you can show those unbelievers your sincerity, then it might make a difference for them.

 

[JonHawk]

Through the Good News the Gentiles are partakers together with God's people in the same promise in Christ Jesus. Eph 3:6.

Yes, unconverted hearts can be deceitful. I believe those unconverted hearts can be made less deceitful if those who profess Christ using scripture show the world what it means to be trustworthy and honest. If you can show those unbelievers your sincerity, then it might make a difference for them.

Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Feast, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 1 Corinthians 5:6-8

 

[Gary Mac]

If you knew the same God Jesus knew then why do you deny the deity of Jesus Christ?

I do not deny the deity off Jesus Christ, I have the same diety of Christ, which is Gods anointing mind you that Jesus had for he was anointed of Gods deity, mind, or Spirit is is called, as well.

Only because the deity of the Christ, Gods anointing, is not isn you dont blame me for your own iniquities.

Jesus said the following at John 5:22-23. "For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given ALL judgment to the Son, vs23 (why?) in order that ALL may honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father WHO SENT HIM." Jesus was not created He was sent from heaven to earth when He became flesh. (John 1:14).

Gof doesnt Jude anyone, you are judging me for having in me that what God sent Jesus for me to receieve from Him as Jesus did in Matt 3:16.

You just dont follow the ways of Jesus is all. That is why your judgment of the Christ in me is a sin.

Now Gary Mac, can you please explain how you honor God the Father?

Same way Jesus did for we have the mind of Christ, and Jesus receieved the mind of God ion Matt 3:16 just as we all do who has receieved His same Spirit. Just as with Jesus you cant know God nor His heaven until you let Him come to you by the same Spirit who came to Jesus in Matt 3:16 and opens up who He is and all of His heaven in Jesus and us all who has received the same from Him.

The problem in your understanding is that you have not reclined the same as Jesus did from God as God demands of you if you are to be His son as Jesus was His son. You are not a son of God that is very obvious in your testimony here.

In what ways do you honor Him?

By obedience to receieve from Him as Jesus was obedient to Him for the same.

You dont know what it is to be of Christ do you? And do you know why that you are not like Him? I do.

I bring this question up because at John 5:18 Jesus called God the Father His own Father, literally.

Sop do we all who are His Child, for I am His son. Only because you are not His child and not born of God, born again as Jesus was in Matt 3:16, you never will know the Father.

You are like Paul who tried to be adopted by law instead of being born of God, born of His Spirit, himself.

The Jews picked up on this at vs18 and said, "For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, (why?) because He/Jesus was not only breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, MAKING HIM EQUAL WITH GOD."

Everyone who has received from God that what Jesus did in Matt 3:16 as God demands of you are equal with Him. He ion me and I in Him are one. see Jesus prayer to his God for you to be as well in John 17 in which obviously you accuse Jesus of heresy because you cant call Him Father because you are not His child as Jesus was His child.

At vs 19 Jesus makes the point that as the Son He does not act independently of the Father.

None of Gods children act independently of the Father. Those who do act independently are of another such as Paul who used trickery to get you independent from God and follow Paul as a sinner instead. Paul was crafty to lead you to sin instead of righteousness, for Paul was a sinner that he never could receieve the righteousness of Christ that Jesus received in Matt 3:16. Which to you is blaspheme.

2 Cor 12:16. But be it so, I did not burden you; but being crafty, I caught you by trickery

What the Jews accused the Son of must apply also to God the Father.

Exactly and I am His son. You are not His son are you and cant apply the Father as Jesus did can you?

What Jesus seeth the Father do means Jesus knows perfectly the will of His Father, for that is His will also.

SO do we all who God is our Father.

They are in perfect harmony in their nature (John 10:30), plans, and actions. (John 10:30 again.)

Amen for we have the mind of Christ Gods anointed. You are not anointed of God to have Christ in you are you?

That is why His ways to be like Him is heresy for you.

So when the Jews opposed Jesus the Son, they were opposing God the Father.

Amen. The very laws of the Jews who Jesus once taught in the temples even from a young age are the very ones who had Him crucified for blaspheme.

And you are doing the very same as the Jews, just different laws to govern your beliefs for a god that you can control by your laws just as the Jews did.

You really do not know how Jesus escaped the man made laws to govern their beliefs for a god can you?

The Father worked the miracle on the Sabbath. If you think about it the Jews were warring against the God of the Law they claimed to be defending.

Yes and anyone who has not receieved from God that what Jesus war again Him instead of obeying as Jesus did when receiving from God and leaving the laws that you and the Jews are of alike. Just different laws to govern your beliefs for a god.

You have no intent ion received from God that what Jesus did in Matt 3:16 is the war. His war is spiritual, you war is carnal. You seek a man as a God instead to eh One Jesus obeyed and receieved.

See Matt 3:16, this is when Jesus left the law and clung to Spirit. But you dont believe Jesu in that, that is very obvious that you dont know what transpired from God in Matt 3:16. You cant relate to the same be in you who was in Christ Jesus.

Think about it, if that is possible, as to why His ways is to be like Him is blaspheme for you.

Vs 21 is explaining the gift of life is from the Father, yet Jesus gave life to the impotent man because the Father showed Him to do so.

Ebewryone who has received form God that what Jesus did from Him has given our lives to the same, for the same signs follow us who has received from God that what Jesus did as you are supposed to as well.

Continued in next post

 

[Gary Mac]

"For as " the Father gives life, so does the Son.

Amen, we go about as Jesus did and do the same, same signs follow us, but because for you that is a burden to give up that right to your own ways, you go without, instead about.

Btw, as a side note at John 1:4, "In Him WAS life, and the life WAS the light of men." Jesus had life in Himself before He incarnated. Notice the past tense of the words.

Yes. was and note the past tense, Jesus is no longer with us, it is Christ who remains, Gods Spirit in man, man anointed of God as Jesus was anointed of God which is Christ in me. Obviously Christ is not in you that you be Gods anointed His son.

you would have to be Gods son to understand the ways of the father.

Tell me if -- If God had to come to Jesus by His Spirit and open up who He is and His heaven in that man in Matt 3:16. Why are you exempt from the same?

I know the answer, but now I will hear from you how you will try and explain that away.

Vs22, "For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son." Why?

I am His son is why. it is easy to see who is like Jesus Father and my Father. In that judgment is made if you are or are not as Jesus was in the Father. All that I have to do is compare what you say with what Jesus said you would be IF.

Which brings up the question I ask in the first place. In what way do you honor the Father?

Again, Same way Jesus did, through obedience to receive from the Father Himself.

it would do you well to obey His will for you to be like Him as Jesus did in obedience. You are in defiance to receive the same is all.

Secondly, please explain how you honor the Son in the same way you honor the Father?

I am His son, God is my Father. You cant honor God at all least you are His son.

You are not His son to know the Father as Jesus did are you?

IN GOD THE SON,
james

In God the son? You would have to be His son in order to know the father. Even Jesus had to go through that transfiguration through obedience in Matt 3:16 that you deem as blaspheme to receieve from God the same yourself.

You dont have a clue who the God is Jesus received. That is so obvious in your testimony here why you cant relate to being God son as Jesus was Gods son.

You would have to be a child of God as Jesus was His child to understand the Father, not even Jesus could escape so great a salvation from the Father.

See Matt 3:16 how and when Jesus was saved from the laws of the Jews and became like God to know this difference.

That difference didnt start with Jesus, that difference started in Adam, he wa the first to become like God to know this difference not Jesus LOL. Abraham receieved this difference, Moses receieved this difference, Jesus did in Matt 3:16, 120 did in an upper room and sho have al who has received form God that very same as Jesus did to know this difference. It always has been that way starting in Gen 3:22 that you won't believe at all. Why? You tell me why you cant understand the difference that Adam learned from God by His Spirit!

I know why but im curious how you will try and explain away why you dont have that same discernment that Jesus had, Abraham had, Mose s had, Mary had, Jesus had, 120 had to become like Him to know this difference?

Tell me why all of these who did recieve from God and became like Him is not for you? Im curious, but I already know why.

 

[Gary Mac]

Through the Good News the Gentiles are partakers together with God's people in the same promise in Christ Jesus. Eph 3:6.

Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Feast, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 1 Corinthians 5:6-8

You are caught up in a loaf full of old yeast, old laws that regulates sin that you accuse Jesus of as gnostic for being without sin.

 

[JonHawk]

JonHawk said:
Through the Good News the Gentiles are partakers together with God's people in the same promise in Christ Jesus. Eph 3:6.

Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Feast, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 1 Corinthians 5:6-8

You are caught up in a loaf full of old yeast, old laws that regulates sin that you accuse Jesus of as gnostic for being without sin.

We believers who are many are partakers of that one loaf Christ Jesus. 1 Corinthians 10:17
For if the firstfruit is holy, so is the whole batch. Rom 11:16
Offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For in Scripture it says:
“See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, 1 Peter 2

 

[Gary Mac]

JonHawk said:
Through the Good News the Gentiles are partakers together with God's people in the same promise in Christ Jesus. Eph 3:6.

We who are of the Christ are like Him as Jesus was like Him. See Matt 3:16 how this happens in man that you call gnostic who came to Jesus ROFL.

Get rid of the old yeast, so that you may be a new unleavened batch—as you really are. For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Feast, not with the old bread leavened with malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth. 1 Corinthians 5:6-8

Yes rid of the old yeast of the trickery of another.

We believers who are many are partakers of that one loaf Christ Jesus. 1 Corinthians 10:17

Yep you believe in the sins of Paul for sure. Thank my Father who is God that Jesus had!!!

For if the firstfruit is holy, so is the whole batch. Rom 11:16

As a sinner that he was? Consider Christ if you can!!

Offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 6 For in Scripture it says:
“See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, 1 Peter 2

Actually not through Jesus but by Jesus to have in you from the Father he had in himself that is gnostic and only an excuse for your Owen iniquities.

 

[JonHawk]

JonHawk said:
Through the Good News the Gentiles are partakers together with God's people in the same promise in Christ Jesus. Eph 3:6.

Actually not through Jesus but by Jesus to have in you from the Father he had in himself that is gnostic and only an excuse for your Owen iniquities.

Now that faith has come in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus; Gal 3:25-29

 

[Bob Carabbio]

We all should be aware that many people are very critical of the Bible and don't believe much of what it says. Of course, as Christians we are commanded to be ready to defend what we believe. We read in 1 Peter 3:14-16 (New Revised Standard Version Updated Edition):

So regarding scripture we are to defend it with gentleness and respect. Sadly, Peter's advice often goes ignored. Many Christians won't even bother to defend the Bible. If they do defend it, they often treat skeptics with scorn as if they are fools or idiots.

I propose that Christians honor those who have made a good faith effort to read the Bible whether they agree with us or not about what it says or how credible it may be. Concede that many Bible passages are difficult to understand, and nobody needs to be ashamed if they have problems understanding those passages. After all, we Christians encourage unbelievers to read scripture, and we betray their trust in us if we insult their intelligence over disagreements or what conclusions they come to. If unbelievers do cite difficult passages, share with them the difficulty we all have with such passages. Don't try to take easy way outs by trying to explain away those passages as metaphorical without good justification for that interpretation. If you do so, then the skeptic might see you as using a metaphorical interpretation as an ad hoc attempt to slip out of a sticky situation. If you cannot resolve an apparent Bible difficulty, then it is probably better to simply admit that you are unable to solve the problem.

Anyway, that's a good start or so I hope. Please share your views about how not to defend the Bible.

Paul's decision was to "KNOW NOTHING except Christ, and Him Crucified", and let the Holy Spirit do the heavy lifting. If it's good enough for Paul. it's good enough for me.

 

[JonHawk]

Through the Good News the Gentiles are partakers together with God's people in the same promise in Christ Jesus. Eph 3:6.

Now that faith has come in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus; Gal 3:25-29

Gary Mac said:
Actually not through Jesus but by Jesus to have in you from the Father he had in himself that is gnostic and only an excuse for your Owen iniquities.

They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us;
But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth.
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. 1 John 2:19-22