How Should Christians Respond?

Mikey1967

New Member
I have been reluctant to post on the political turmoil that is taking place right now but I feel that the time has come to shed some light on what Jesus said about this…



The focus of a Christian is Jesus and Him crucified, to expand the Kingdom of God, to show the love of Christ, to do the work of the ministry. This is why; Paul states in 2 Timothy 2:

Share in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. No one serving as a soldier gets entangled in the concerns of civilian life; he seeks to please the recruiter. Also, if anyone competes as an athlete, he is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules.”

He then sums it up by saying: “Keep your attention on Jesus Christ as risen from the dead and descended from David.”



Why? Because God places those in leadership to achieve His own purpose and to fulfill scripture. “Everyone must submit to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God.” (Romans 13:1) Now it is to note that this is not a blanket statement as some have tried to claim. We follow the laws of the government as long as they are not in opposition to God’s Word. If it becomes opposed to God’s Word, not only do we have permission but a duty to not obey. Our allegiance is first to Christ, not a nation. As long as that nation’s laws are in agreement with the Scriptures, we obey and live peaceably, when it does not, we do not obey. The proof of this is right in Scripture. If we were to blindly follow government laws irrespective of whether they line up with the Word of God, then Jesus, the Apostles, the Church, and the Old Testament Prophets were in sin because they all disobeyed the governing rulers. But our not submitting is not to riot and protest, it is simply to not submit.



This also does not mean that the one that is in office is “God’s man” simply because they agree with most of what we want. Nor does it mean that the one that was put in office is illegitimate because God’s will was to have a ruler that Christians agree with and His will was somehow usurped because our guy was not elected or placed in office. We have truly started adhering to a false doctrine of “Christian Nationalist” rather than being of Him. Have we dangerously made nationalism an idol, thinking our comfort is of God?



So, this last passage of Romans 13:1 says that God placed them there. That means it is to His end that He places rulers and those rulers are not always Godly or even good. They can be evil. Why? Because how the end will take place according to God’s Word will indeed take place.



Did Jesus not say in Mark 13:7-8: “When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, don’t be alarmed; these things must take place, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.”



Did He not say: “Then they will hand you over for persecution, and they will kill you. You will be hated by all nations because of My name. Then many will take offense, betray one another and hate one another. Many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. Because lawlessness will multiply, the love of many will grow cold.” (Matthew 24:9-12) (This is a continuation of what was being said above in Mark 13.)



For the Church He said: “In fact, all those who want to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.” (2 Timothy 3:12) Scripture explicitly states that we, who are His, WILL suffer persecution for living Godly and yet we seem to think that our comfort is God’s will for us in this country and anytime there is a challenge or chance that comfort is removed, we beg God, misquote the scripture for “Healing our land” and think our comfort and wealth equal Godliness. This idea is so much of a departure from Scripture that it is mind boggling that we Christians believe this.



The end WILL take place as He sovereignly has said it would. That being so, how should we respond to political turmoil? We focus on Intimacy with our Abba Father. We are to know Him and stay in peace and focus on the Kingdom rather than world.



Am I saying that we should not have a political opinion or that we should never state it? No, I am not saying that. In the pulpit we should not preach politics. We can preach Scripture and righteousness as it applies to when making a decision of who to vote for. But we are not political activist nor should we be perceived to be one. There is a big difference between being a political activist and speaking of righteous behavior and character. We should also vote for the one that more closely aligns with Scriptural character. We do not simply leave the truth of Scripture at the door when entering the voting booth to vote for the one who promises to give us the most stuff.



To conclude; As Christians we vote for who aligns with the Word of God but we proclaim the Word and righteousness, not a candidate. But we also remember that God installs those leaders that He will use to fulfill His Word and Scriptural end. Understanding that how the end takes place, it should not be a surprise to realize that good people are not always going to be placed in power. But we should take comfort that we are His and we live outside of these worldly concerns. We have His life in us, His peace and joy. Our focus is Him and to know Him.
 

Thistle

Well-known member
I have been reluctant to post on the political turmoil that is taking place right now but I feel that the time has come to shed some light on what Jesus said about this…



The focus of a Christian is Jesus and Him crucified, to expand the Kingdom of God, to show the love of Christ, to do the work of the ministry. This is why; Paul states in 2 Timothy 2:

Share in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. No one serving as a soldier gets entangled in the concerns of civilian life; he seeks to please the recruiter. Also, if anyone competes as an athlete, he is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules.”

He then sums it up by saying: “Keep your attention on Jesus Christ as risen from the dead and descended from David.”



Why? Because God places those in leadership to achieve His own purpose and to fulfill scripture. “Everyone must submit to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God.” (Romans 13:1) Now it is to note that this is not a blanket statement as some have tried to claim. We follow the laws of the government as long as they are not in opposition to God’s Word. If it becomes opposed to God’s Word, not only do we have permission but a duty to not obey. Our allegiance is first to Christ, not a nation. As long as that nation’s laws are in agreement with the Scriptures, we obey and live peaceably, when it does not, we do not obey. The proof of this is right in Scripture. If we were to blindly follow government laws irrespective of whether they line up with the Word of God, then Jesus, the Apostles, the Church, and the Old Testament Prophets were in sin because they all disobeyed the governing rulers. But our not submitting is not to riot and protest, it is simply to not submit.



This also does not mean that the one that is in office is “God’s man” simply because they agree with most of what we want. Nor does it mean that the one that was put in office is illegitimate because God’s will was to have a ruler that Christians agree with and His will was somehow usurped because our guy was not elected or placed in office. We have truly started adhering to a false doctrine of “Christian Nationalist” rather than being of Him. Have we dangerously made nationalism an idol, thinking our comfort is of God?



So, this last passage of Romans 13:1 says that God placed them there. That means it is to His end that He places rulers and those rulers are not always Godly or even good. They can be evil. Why? Because how the end will take place according to God’s Word will indeed take place.



Did Jesus not say in Mark 13:7-8: “When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, don’t be alarmed; these things must take place, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.”



Did He not say: “Then they will hand you over for persecution, and they will kill you. You will be hated by all nations because of My name. Then many will take offense, betray one another and hate one another. Many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. Because lawlessness will multiply, the love of many will grow cold.” (Matthew 24:9-12) (This is a continuation of what was being said above in Mark 13.)



For the Church He said: “In fact, all those who want to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.” (2 Timothy 3:12) Scripture explicitly states that we, who are His, WILL suffer persecution for living Godly and yet we seem to think that our comfort is God’s will for us in this country and anytime there is a challenge or chance that comfort is removed, we beg God, misquote the scripture for “Healing our land” and think our comfort and wealth equal Godliness. This idea is so much of a departure from Scripture that it is mind boggling that we Christians believe this.



The end WILL take place as He sovereignly has said it would. That being so, how should we respond to political turmoil? We focus on Intimacy with our Abba Father. We are to know Him and stay in peace and focus on the Kingdom rather than world.



Am I saying that we should not have a political opinion or that we should never state it? No, I am not saying that. In the pulpit we should not preach politics. We can preach Scripture and righteousness as it applies to when making a decision of who to vote for. But we are not political activist nor should we be perceived to be one. There is a big difference between being a political activist and speaking of righteous behavior and character. We should also vote for the one that more closely aligns with Scriptural character. We do not simply leave the truth of Scripture at the door when entering the voting booth to vote for the one who promises to give us the most stuff.



To conclude; As Christians we vote for who aligns with the Word of God but we proclaim the Word and righteousness, not a candidate. But we also remember that God installs those leaders that He will use to fulfill His Word and Scriptural end. Understanding that how the end takes place, it should not be a surprise to realize that good people are not always going to be placed in power. But we should take comfort that we are His and we live outside of these worldly concerns. We have His life in us, His peace and joy. Our focus is Him and to know Him.
It's impossible to read providence in real time.
 

Whateverman

Well-known member
[.. snipped for brevity ..] To conclude; As Christians we vote for who aligns with the Word of God but we proclaim the Word and righteousness, not a candidate. But we also remember that God installs those leaders that He will use to fulfill His Word and Scriptural end. Understanding that how the end takes place, it should not be a surprise to realize that good people are not always going to be placed in power. But we should take comfort that we are His and we live outside of these worldly concerns. We have His life in us, His peace and joy. Our focus is Him and to know Him.
This is certainly consistent with the notion of being IN this world but not OF it.
 

vibise

Active member
I have been reluctant to post on the political turmoil that is taking place right now but I feel that the time has come to shed some light on what Jesus said about this…



The focus of a Christian is Jesus and Him crucified, to expand the Kingdom of God, to show the love of Christ, to do the work of the ministry. This is why; Paul states in 2 Timothy 2:

Share in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. No one serving as a soldier gets entangled in the concerns of civilian life; he seeks to please the recruiter. Also, if anyone competes as an athlete, he is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules.”

He then sums it up by saying: “Keep your attention on Jesus Christ as risen from the dead and descended from David.”



Why? Because God places those in leadership to achieve His own purpose and to fulfill scripture. “Everyone must submit to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God.” (Romans 13:1) Now it is to note that this is not a blanket statement as some have tried to claim. We follow the laws of the government as long as they are not in opposition to God’s Word. If it becomes opposed to God’s Word, not only do we have permission but a duty to not obey. Our allegiance is first to Christ, not a nation. As long as that nation’s laws are in agreement with the Scriptures, we obey and live peaceably, when it does not, we do not obey. The proof of this is right in Scripture. If we were to blindly follow government laws irrespective of whether they line up with the Word of God, then Jesus, the Apostles, the Church, and the Old Testament Prophets were in sin because they all disobeyed the governing rulers. But our not submitting is not to riot and protest, it is simply to not submit.



This also does not mean that the one that is in office is “God’s man” simply because they agree with most of what we want. Nor does it mean that the one that was put in office is illegitimate because God’s will was to have a ruler that Christians agree with and His will was somehow usurped because our guy was not elected or placed in office. We have truly started adhering to a false doctrine of “Christian Nationalist” rather than being of Him. Have we dangerously made nationalism an idol, thinking our comfort is of God?



So, this last passage of Romans 13:1 says that God placed them there. That means it is to His end that He places rulers and those rulers are not always Godly or even good. They can be evil. Why? Because how the end will take place according to God’s Word will indeed take place.



Did Jesus not say in Mark 13:7-8: “When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, don’t be alarmed; these things must take place, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.”



Did He not say: “Then they will hand you over for persecution, and they will kill you. You will be hated by all nations because of My name. Then many will take offense, betray one another and hate one another. Many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. Because lawlessness will multiply, the love of many will grow cold.” (Matthew 24:9-12) (This is a continuation of what was being said above in Mark 13.)



For the Church He said: “In fact, all those who want to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.” (2 Timothy 3:12) Scripture explicitly states that we, who are His, WILL suffer persecution for living Godly and yet we seem to think that our comfort is God’s will for us in this country and anytime there is a challenge or chance that comfort is removed, we beg God, misquote the scripture for “Healing our land” and think our comfort and wealth equal Godliness. This idea is so much of a departure from Scripture that it is mind boggling that we Christians believe this.



The end WILL take place as He sovereignly has said it would. That being so, how should we respond to political turmoil? We focus on Intimacy with our Abba Father. We are to know Him and stay in peace and focus on the Kingdom rather than world.



Am I saying that we should not have a political opinion or that we should never state it? No, I am not saying that. In the pulpit we should not preach politics. We can preach Scripture and righteousness as it applies to when making a decision of who to vote for. But we are not political activist nor should we be perceived to be one. There is a big difference between being a political activist and speaking of righteous behavior and character. We should also vote for the one that more closely aligns with Scriptural character. We do not simply leave the truth of Scripture at the door when entering the voting booth to vote for the one who promises to give us the most stuff.



To conclude; As Christians we vote for who aligns with the Word of God but we proclaim the Word and righteousness, not a candidate. But we also remember that God installs those leaders that He will use to fulfill His Word and Scriptural end. Understanding that how the end takes place, it should not be a surprise to realize that good people are not always going to be placed in power. But we should take comfort that we are His and we live outside of these worldly concerns. We have His life in us, His peace and joy. Our focus is Him and to know Him.
Or maybe God lets people make poor choices when voting so they can learn from their mistakes.
 

vibise

Active member
I have been reluctant to post on the political turmoil that is taking place right now but I feel that the time has come to shed some light on what Jesus said about this…



The focus of a Christian is Jesus and Him crucified, to expand the Kingdom of God, to show the love of Christ, to do the work of the ministry. This is why; Paul states in 2 Timothy 2:

Share in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. No one serving as a soldier gets entangled in the concerns of civilian life; he seeks to please the recruiter. Also, if anyone competes as an athlete, he is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules.”

He then sums it up by saying: “Keep your attention on Jesus Christ as risen from the dead and descended from David.”



Why? Because God places those in leadership to achieve His own purpose and to fulfill scripture. “Everyone must submit to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God.” (Romans 13:1) Now it is to note that this is not a blanket statement as some have tried to claim. We follow the laws of the government as long as they are not in opposition to God’s Word. If it becomes opposed to God’s Word, not only do we have permission but a duty to not obey. Our allegiance is first to Christ, not a nation. As long as that nation’s laws are in agreement with the Scriptures, we obey and live peaceably, when it does not, we do not obey. The proof of this is right in Scripture. If we were to blindly follow government laws irrespective of whether they line up with the Word of God, then Jesus, the Apostles, the Church, and the Old Testament Prophets were in sin because they all disobeyed the governing rulers. But our not submitting is not to riot and protest, it is simply to not submit.



This also does not mean that the one that is in office is “God’s man” simply because they agree with most of what we want. Nor does it mean that the one that was put in office is illegitimate because God’s will was to have a ruler that Christians agree with and His will was somehow usurped because our guy was not elected or placed in office. We have truly started adhering to a false doctrine of “Christian Nationalist” rather than being of Him. Have we dangerously made nationalism an idol, thinking our comfort is of God?



So, this last passage of Romans 13:1 says that God placed them there. That means it is to His end that He places rulers and those rulers are not always Godly or even good. They can be evil. Why? Because how the end will take place according to God’s Word will indeed take place.



Did Jesus not say in Mark 13:7-8: “When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, don’t be alarmed; these things must take place, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.”



Did He not say: “Then they will hand you over for persecution, and they will kill you. You will be hated by all nations because of My name. Then many will take offense, betray one another and hate one another. Many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. Because lawlessness will multiply, the love of many will grow cold.” (Matthew 24:9-12) (This is a continuation of what was being said above in Mark 13.)



For the Church He said: “In fact, all those who want to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.” (2 Timothy 3:12) Scripture explicitly states that we, who are His, WILL suffer persecution for living Godly and yet we seem to think that our comfort is God’s will for us in this country and anytime there is a challenge or chance that comfort is removed, we beg God, misquote the scripture for “Healing our land” and think our comfort and wealth equal Godliness. This idea is so much of a departure from Scripture that it is mind boggling that we Christians believe this.



The end WILL take place as He sovereignly has said it would. That being so, how should we respond to political turmoil? We focus on Intimacy with our Abba Father. We are to know Him and stay in peace and focus on the Kingdom rather than world.



Am I saying that we should not have a political opinion or that we should never state it? No, I am not saying that. In the pulpit we should not preach politics. We can preach Scripture and righteousness as it applies to when making a decision of who to vote for. But we are not political activist nor should we be perceived to be one. There is a big difference between being a political activist and speaking of righteous behavior and character. We should also vote for the one that more closely aligns with Scriptural character. We do not simply leave the truth of Scripture at the door when entering the voting booth to vote for the one who promises to give us the most stuff.



To conclude; As Christians we vote for who aligns with the Word of God but we proclaim the Word and righteousness, not a candidate. But we also remember that God installs those leaders that He will use to fulfill His Word and Scriptural end. Understanding that how the end takes place, it should not be a surprise to realize that good people are not always going to be placed in power. But we should take comfort that we are His and we live outside of these worldly concerns. We have His life in us, His peace and joy. Our focus is Him and to know Him.
Another opinion:


the overwhelming support of evangelicals is the single largest reason that Trump possesses power in the first place. It was their malignant approach to politics that forced our country into its current nightmare. As white nationalists, conspiracy theorists, misogynists, anarchists, criminals and terrorists took hold of the Republican Party, many evangelicals blessed it under the banner “Jesus Saves.”

Jesus had something to say about political deals with the devil: “Get behind me, Satan!” My point is less theological: The political and religious costs of a tight evangelical alliance with violent bigots and crackpots were easily foreseen. I and many others foresaw and foresaw until our fingers ached at the keyboard. Yet Franklin Graham, Jerry Falwell Jr., Robert Jeffress and the others either shut their eyes or shared in Trumpian hatreds. “There has never been anyone,” said Ralph Reed of the Faith and Freedom Coalition, “who has defended us and who has fought for us, who we have loved more than Donald J. Trump. No one!”

“We didn’t vote for him to be our pastor or our husband,” explained Penny Nance of Concerned Women for America. “We voted for him to be our bodyguard.” But what if the bodyguard you hired turns out to be a brutish, bigoted, narcissistic, authoritarian thug who wants to burn down any democratic institution he can’t control? Perhaps the moral character of political bodyguards actually matters. Perhaps evangelicals should not be hiring bodyguards in the first place, but rather supporting moral leaders who seek the common good.
 
I have been reluctant to post on the political turmoil that is taking place right now but I feel that the time has come to shed some light on what Jesus said about this…



The focus of a Christian is Jesus and Him crucified, to expand the Kingdom of God, to show the love of Christ, to do the work of the ministry. This is why; Paul states in 2 Timothy 2:

Share in suffering as a good soldier of Christ Jesus. No one serving as a soldier gets entangled in the concerns of civilian life; he seeks to please the recruiter. Also, if anyone competes as an athlete, he is not crowned unless he competes according to the rules.”

He then sums it up by saying: “Keep your attention on Jesus Christ as risen from the dead and descended from David.”



Why? Because God places those in leadership to achieve His own purpose and to fulfill scripture. “Everyone must submit to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist are instituted by God.” (Romans 13:1) Now it is to note that this is not a blanket statement as some have tried to claim. We follow the laws of the government as long as they are not in opposition to God’s Word. If it becomes opposed to God’s Word, not only do we have permission but a duty to not obey. Our allegiance is first to Christ, not a nation. As long as that nation’s laws are in agreement with the Scriptures, we obey and live peaceably, when it does not, we do not obey. The proof of this is right in Scripture. If we were to blindly follow government laws irrespective of whether they line up with the Word of God, then Jesus, the Apostles, the Church, and the Old Testament Prophets were in sin because they all disobeyed the governing rulers. But our not submitting is not to riot and protest, it is simply to not submit.



This also does not mean that the one that is in office is “God’s man” simply because they agree with most of what we want. Nor does it mean that the one that was put in office is illegitimate because God’s will was to have a ruler that Christians agree with and His will was somehow usurped because our guy was not elected or placed in office. We have truly started adhering to a false doctrine of “Christian Nationalist” rather than being of Him. Have we dangerously made nationalism an idol, thinking our comfort is of God?



So, this last passage of Romans 13:1 says that God placed them there. That means it is to His end that He places rulers and those rulers are not always Godly or even good. They can be evil. Why? Because how the end will take place according to God’s Word will indeed take place.



Did Jesus not say in Mark 13:7-8: “When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, don’t be alarmed; these things must take place, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise up against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.”



Did He not say: “Then they will hand you over for persecution, and they will kill you. You will be hated by all nations because of My name. Then many will take offense, betray one another and hate one another. Many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. Because lawlessness will multiply, the love of many will grow cold.” (Matthew 24:9-12) (This is a continuation of what was being said above in Mark 13.)



For the Church He said: “In fact, all those who want to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.” (2 Timothy 3:12) Scripture explicitly states that we, who are His, WILL suffer persecution for living Godly and yet we seem to think that our comfort is God’s will for us in this country and anytime there is a challenge or chance that comfort is removed, we beg God, misquote the scripture for “Healing our land” and think our comfort and wealth equal Godliness. This idea is so much of a departure from Scripture that it is mind boggling that we Christians believe this.



The end WILL take place as He sovereignly has said it would. That being so, how should we respond to political turmoil? We focus on Intimacy with our Abba Father. We are to know Him and stay in peace and focus on the Kingdom rather than world.



Am I saying that we should not have a political opinion or that we should never state it? No, I am not saying that. In the pulpit we should not preach politics. We can preach Scripture and righteousness as it applies to when making a decision of who to vote for. But we are not political activist nor should we be perceived to be one. There is a big difference between being a political activist and speaking of righteous behavior and character. We should also vote for the one that more closely aligns with Scriptural character. We do not simply leave the truth of Scripture at the door when entering the voting booth to vote for the one who promises to give us the most stuff.



To conclude; As Christians we vote for who aligns with the Word of God but we proclaim the Word and righteousness, not a candidate. But we also remember that God installs those leaders that He will use to fulfill His Word and Scriptural end. Understanding that how the end takes place, it should not be a surprise to realize that good people are not always going to be placed in power. But we should take comfort that we are His and we live outside of these worldly concerns. We have His life in us, His peace and joy. Our focus is Him and to know Him.
I just read a bit of this and all I will say is, GOD hasn't placed any of these politicians in power. The devil did......

And whatever the job of Christians are? They are failing to do so. WHy? They are being led astray by wolves in sheeps clothing for the most part that are either in league with the ruling powers(playing the harlot), or subdued(scared to speak out). Any because of it, they ask we be subdued also....

P.S. Prophecies are all bogus, and according to Scripture, a Prophecy should come to pass during a Prophet's lifetime. If it doesn't, the Prophecy isnt worth crap. So dont hold your breath.

And most people will always vote for their self interests over their religious beliefs. True fact.
 

Mikey1967

New Member
I just read a bit of this and all I will say is, GOD hasn't placed any of these politicians in power. The devil did......
Not according to Romans 13:1
P.S. Prophecies are all bogus, and according to Scripture, a Prophecy should come to pass during a Prophet's lifetime. If it doesn't, the Prophecy isnt worth crap. So dont hold your breath.

I am not going to keep replying but this is completely incorrect. The Prophets of old prophesied of the coming of Christ and they were long dead before the prophecy was fulfilled.
 
Not according to Romans 13:1

In the sense that governments were formed to establish law and order via laws. but the hypocritical leaders have never submitted to their own laws.

I am not going to keep replying but this is completely incorrect. The Prophets of old prophesied of the coming of Christ and they were long dead before the prophecy was fulfilled.
Do your research. Every religion spoke of a messiah type figure to come save them. Its inevitable that a champion of the people will arise during turmoil times. Doesn't mean they always succeed though unfortunately.

There will be wars? LOL, there have ALWAYS been wars.

The Old Testament is merely a book of myths and historical record of the Jewish bloodline. There is nothing "godly" about them..

The "prophetic" books, are as phony as the rest. Prophets were messengers of the MORTAL ruling kings(lords). They would warn nations that were breaking the laws of the empire, and when they didn't listen, the ruling King and his armies would sack the city.

I laugh when i see people pointing out how nostradamus's prophecies came true. The examples they give are laughable.

But if you beleive strong enough, you can make any prophecy say what you want it to say.
 

Carol

Member
In the sense that governments were formed to establish law and order via laws. but the hypocritical leaders have never submitted to their own laws.


Do your research. Every religion spoke of a messiah type figure to come save them. Its inevitable that a champion of the people will arise during turmoil times. Doesn't mean they always succeed though unfortunately.

There will be wars? LOL, there have ALWAYS been wars.

The Old Testament is merely a book of myths and historical record of the Jewish bloodline. There is nothing "godly" about them..

The "prophetic" books, are as phony as the rest. Prophets were messengers of the MORTAL ruling kings(lords). They would warn nations that were breaking the laws of the empire, and when they didn't listen, the ruling King and his armies would sack the city.

I laugh when i see people pointing out how nostradamus's prophecies came true. The examples they give are laughable.

But if you beleive strong enough, you can make any prophecy say what you want it to say.

"You search the scriptures...it is these that testify of me...." (John 5)

The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (Rev 19)
 

Whateverman

Well-known member
Today's 'Christians' don't care about that. They are all about being OF this world. They wallow in it.
Well, I generally agree, but I wanted to give the thread's author the benefit of the doubt. His OP was reasonable, in a fashion, so I thought it was important to point out the "doctrinal consistency" of his position.
 

Authentic Nouveau

Well-known member
I have been reluctant to post on the political turmoil that is taking place right now but I feel that the time has come to shed some light on what Jesus said about this…
This is spiritual warfare. Lot of Saints will be superblessed.There will be revival and the heathen will rage.
 
"You search the scriptures...it is these that testify of me...." (John 5)

The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (Rev 19)
nah...Moses did not speak of Jesus, Some can argue the Prophets did but if you believe strongly enough, you can make passages say what ever you want them to say.

Im not a fan of the book of Revelations, nor are many Biblical Scholars. including Luther Martin.
 
This is spiritual warfare. Lot of Saints will be superblessed.There will be revival and the heathen will rage.
It always has been, but Chrisinaity is losing and the reason for that is it is run by wolves in sheep's clothing. Will there be an awakening as the Bible predicted? If history does keep repeating itself then yes. Its LONG over due
 
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