How to learn about the atheist religion, atheist creeds and doctrine.

Furion

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I have learned they want to guard their monopoly on slavery and torture.
Well I won't go that far, and certainly won't criticize someone for that opinion.

If I were to go that far in criticism then I'd have to address the thousands of posts calling God a monster.

I guess it is ok for them to say such things, so it is ok for others to say other things.
 

The Pixie

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I don't recall Him saying Caesar should intervene in any way. Or perhaps you read into His words, thusly:

"Render unto Caesar your means of production."
I was thinking about other aspects of socialism earlier, but okay... Socialism advocates handing the means of production to the community, rather than putting them into the hands of the rich guy. So, yes, agrred. Jesus never said the means of production which be handed over to Caesar, that would be antithetical to socialism and - I would say - to what Jesus believed.

You might want to think about how the first Christians lived, as reported in Acts. They shared everything in the community. Far closer to socialism (or true communism even) than capitalism.
 

Algor

Active member
I was thinking about other aspects of socialism earlier, but okay... Socialism advocates handing the means of production to the community, rather than putting them into the hands of the rich guy. So, yes, agrred. Jesus never said the means of production which be handed over to Caesar, that would be antithetical to socialism and - I would say - to what Jesus believed.

You might want to think about how the first Christians lived, as reported in Acts. They shared everything in the community. Far closer to socialism (or true communism even) than capitalism.
He advocated for anarchosyndicalist communes!
 

SteveB

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I thought I would just focus on the last two lines there.
Ok
I find it disturbing that the "fear of Yahweh is clean, enduring forever".
Only the wicked are bothered by the idea that recognizing that God is the creator and to him alone we will one day give an account for our lives.
Only the wicked are bothered with the awareness that there is something of great value and worth which will last forever.
Only the wicked are bothered by the fact that there is actually something of great worth and value that is literally clean.

And that you want to write poetry about it?
Actually, I'm quoting poetry from 3000 years ago.


Do you live your life in fear, Steve?
Indeed I do.
Not just any fear though. I fear God.
It's written in Proverbs that the fear of God is to hate evil.

The fear of Yahweh is to hate evil. I hate pride, arrogance, the evil way, and the perverse mouth.

It also says that the fear of YHVH is the BEGINNING of knowledge. Elsewhere it says that the fear of YHVH is the beginning of wisdom.
In psalm 147:11 it says that God delights in those who fear God.
In psalm 25:14 it says that those who fear God will be given the secrets and friendship of God.
In psalm 111:10 it says that those who fear God and keep his commands have a good understanding.


Christians often tell us "God is love", it is a sick kind of love if it involves everlasting fear.
Well, you can indeed believe that.
The questions you should be asking are
1- what is this fear of God actually mean?
2- what is the meaning of Love that is described in the bible?
3- is my understanding of love, and fear accurate, or am I only imposing my own ideas on it?

When you have the courage to face those questions, then you'll be able to start understanding how we can know His Love, have respect for Him, and enjoy his being our Father and Friend simultaneously.


If "Yahweh’s ordinances are true, and righteous altogether. " then you think it is righteous to allow slavery?
Again, when you have the courage to learn what God actually wants, then you will start to understand.



I am looking specifically at Lev 25:44-46, which makes clear chattel slavery is okay. Personally, i think slavery is wrong.
It's ironic that you have such myopic thoughts.
No where has the bible stated--- you must have slaves, and slavery is a good practice.
Otherwise, God would have left the Israeli people in Egypt as slaves.



The last line, from Psalm 105, is about Joseph, and how his time as a slave made him a better person. Is this again about your support of slavery? Are you saying it is good because the slave benefits?
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I know that hardship and suffering teach us humility, understanding, perspective, and prepares us to see the world as it really is, and what dependence on God and others really means.

You really need to read Genesis 35 through 50.
 

The Pixie

Well-known member
Only the wicked are bothered by the idea that recognizing that God is the creator and to him alone we will one day give an account for our lives.
Only the wicked are bothered with the awareness that there is something of great value and worth which will last forever.
Only the wicked are bothered by the fact that there is actually something of great worth and value that is literally clean.
So you are saying I am wicked if I am bothered about living in constant fear? That is quite a stretch.

Actually, I'm quoting poetry from 3000 years ago.
Yeah, sorry bad word choice on my part.

You want to glorify poetry about living in fear, saying how wonderful it is.

Indeed I do.
Not just any fear though. I fear God.
It's written in Proverbs that the fear of God is to hate evil.
Fear is fear. Either you live in constant fear or God or you do not.

You may want to pretend to yourself that that fear is a self-righteous hatred of evil, but you can hate evil without living in fear - these are two different things.

The fear of Yahweh is to hate evil. I hate pride, arrogance, the evil way, and the perverse mouth.
Really? you come across as one of the most arrogant and prideful people on CARM, unable to admit you are wrong when that is prove, and so utterly sure of all you say. You might want to work on that.

Furthermore, fear is not the same as hatred of evil. You are playing the usual Christian word game of pretending a word has a very different meaning when you do not like what a verse says.

It also says that the fear of YHVH is the BEGINNING of knowledge. Elsewhere it says that the fear of YHVH is the beginning of wisdom.
So you are afraid?

Or are you pretending that these mean hating evil is the beginning of wisdom?

Well, you can indeed believe that.
The questions you should be asking are
1- what is this fear of God actually mean?
2- what is the meaning of Love that is described in the bible?
3- is my understanding of love, and fear accurate, or am I only imposing my own ideas on it?
This is a great illustration of Christian redefining words to suit their cause.

In the English language "fear" and "love" have specific meanings. Clearly you are obliged to pretend quite different meanings to fit what the Bible says.

It's ironic that you have such myopic thoughts.
No where has the bible stated--- you must have slaves, and slavery is a good practice.
And no where did I claim that.

What it says is that it is okay to keep chattel slaves.

Otherwise, God would have left the Israeli people in Egypt as slaves.
God objects to his chosen people as chattel slaves. He is quite clear that gentiles can be kept as chattel slaves, however. I guess he does not care about them so much.
 

Lighthearted Atheist

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The Orthodox atheist ring leaders purify their space by cleansing religious population.

Re-education camps. Brain washing. Silence the critics. Religions have their sacred writings. Atheism tries to confiscate Bibles, etc.
Sue to remove "In God We Trust"
Sue to remove prayer
Sue to remove 10 commandments

China (MNN) — One of the largest evangelical churches in China was completely demolished in a shocking government campaign on January 9th. Golden Lampstand Church in Shanxi Province has been around for nearly a decade with 50,000 congregants. But it wasn’t registered with the Chinese government.

2018.
Atheism is the lack of belief in gods.

There! All done. Easy.

If you want to study the history of religious oppression you will need to read more. You'll find that some like Stalin and China try to destroy all religion. Others just try to destroy the religions they do not like. Christians committing Muslim genocide in Bosnia is one example.

Some nations like the United States take a neutral attitude. They do not destroy religions - they welcome them, embrace them, and give them tax breaks. The Americans will not allow any religious dogma in their government so that all religions are respected. So they do not allow The Ten Commandments or a Hindu Shrine on the lawn of the capitol. But they are not wiping religion out.

Sadly human history is replete with governments killing and destroying entire religious groups.

But atheism is a lack of belief in gods.

And taking 'In God We Trust" off the Federal currency is not Christian oppression.
 
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