Hyper Calvinism as defined by a Calvinist

TomFL

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A hyper-Calvinist is one who:

  1. Denies that the gospel call applies to all who hear, OR
  2. Denies that faith is the duty of every sinner, OR
  3. Denies that the gospel makes any “offer” of Christ, salvation, or mercy to the non-elect (or denies that the offer of divine mercy is free and universal), OR
  4. Denies that there is such a thing as “common grace,” OR
  5. Denies that God has any sort of love for the non-elect.
As Phil says, “All five varieties of hyper-Calvinism undermine evangelism or twist the gospel message.” So this is the key to understanding hyper-Calvinism: it undermines evangelism and/or somehow distorts the gospel message.

Probably the most distinguishing characteristic of a Hyper-Calvinist is an unwillingness to evangelize at all, or to evangelize without extending a call to accept and believe the gospel. An example of a hyper-Calvinistic confession makes this clear. Article 33 of Articles of Faith of the Gospel Standard Aid and Poor Relief Societies says, “Therefore, that for ministers in the present day to address unconverted persons, or indiscriminately all in a mixed congregation, calling upon them to savingly repent, believe, and receive Christ, or perform any other acts dependent upon the new creative power of the Holy Ghost, is, on the one hand, to imply creature power, and on the other, to deny the doctrine of special redemption.” In other words, they say, to command people to turn from their sin and to repent is to command them to do something they are unable to do for this would deny the doctrine of particular redemption.
Hyper-Calvinism: A Brief Definition | Tim Challies
 

ReverendRV

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A hyper-Calvinist is one who:

  1. Denies that the gospel call applies to all who hear, OR
  2. Denies that faith is the duty of every sinner, OR
  3. Denies that the gospel makes any “offer” of Christ, salvation, or mercy to the non-elect (or denies that the offer of divine mercy is free and universal), OR
  4. Denies that there is such a thing as “common grace,” OR
  5. Denies that God has any sort of love for the non-elect.
As Phil says, “All five varieties of hyper-Calvinism undermine evangelism or twist the gospel message.” So this is the key to understanding hyper-Calvinism: it undermines evangelism and/or somehow distorts the gospel message.

Probably the most distinguishing characteristic of a Hyper-Calvinist is an unwillingness to evangelize at all, or to evangelize without extending a call to accept and believe the gospel. An example of a hyper-Calvinistic confession makes this clear. Article 33 of Articles of Faith of the Gospel Standard Aid and Poor Relief Societies says, “Therefore, that for ministers in the present day to address unconverted persons, or indiscriminately all in a mixed congregation, calling upon them to savingly repent, believe, and receive Christ, or perform any other acts dependent upon the new creative power of the Holy Ghost, is, on the one hand, to imply creature power, and on the other, to deny the doctrine of special redemption.” In other words, they say, to command people to turn from their sin and to repent is to command them to do something they are unable to do for this would deny the doctrine of particular redemption.
Hyper-Calvinism: A Brief Definition | Tim Challies
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zerinus

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A hyper-Calvinist is one who:

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All Calvinism ultimately "hyper". The distinctions are contrived and arbitrary. If you carry classic, orthodox, regular Calvinism to its logical conclusion, you will ultimately arrive at a "hyper" version of it. Any attempt at portraying otherwise is window dressing.
 

preacher4truth

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All Calvinism ultimately "hyper". The distinctions are contrived and arbitrary. If you carry classic, orthodox, regular Calvinism to its logical conclusion, you will ultimately arrive at a "hyper" version of it. Any attempt at portraying otherwise is window dressing.
The above is not only untrue, but shows a thorough nescience on your part.

So do tell, what is hyper-Calvinism?

While you're doing that your own postings show that you yourself preach that persons are saved without the Gospel, which ironically makes you a proponent of what you ridicule as error. This comes from your horrendous misunderstanding and misinterpretation of Romans 2.
 

civic

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We use to have one or 2 hypers on the forum years ago but I have not seen one in a long long time.
 

zerinus

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The above is not only untrue, but shows a thorough nescience on your part.

So do tell, what is hyper-Calvinism?
All Calvinism is ultimately hyper!
While you're doing that your own postings show that you yourself preach that persons are saved without the Gospel, which ironically makes you a proponent of what you ridicule as error. This comes from your horrendous misunderstanding and misinterpretation of Romans 2.
Romans 2 says what it says. That is clear and obvious to anyone who reads it without preconceived baggage. The only way to "misrepresent" it is to make it say something other than what it actually says.
 

preacher4truth

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All Calvinism is ultimately hyper!

Romans 2 says what it says. That is clear and obvious to anyone who reads it without preconceived baggage. The only way to "misrepresent" it is to make it say something other than what it actually says.
You have failed to tell us what hyper-Calvinism is while continuing to show your nescience on the subject.

An exclamation point at the end of your declaration doesn't make it so my friend. :)

Lastly, your errant take on Romans 2 (which you know little of) teaches men are saved by works, and that there was no need for Christ to die on the cross, or be buried, or be raised. That is a false gospel.
 

ReverendRV

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All Calvinism is ultimately hyper!

Romans 2 says what it says. That is clear and obvious to anyone who reads it without preconceived baggage. The only way to "misrepresent" it is to make it say something other than what it actually says.
This is the Arminianism and Calvinism Sub Forum on the Theology Board. We discuss Theology here; reading Romans 2 without studying it without the rest of the Bible is NOT Theology. If you want to help us, you will need to 'speak our language' and use Systematic Theology. If you refuse to use Systematic Theology, perhaps you're only here to stalk the sheep? Paul said he became all things in hope to win some, not to win arguments; so while you're here, become a Theologian in hope to win us. But if you don't want to use All Scripture and only want to use one chapter, you're always welcome; because there are many here who are more than glad to speak to the Lurkers through you...
 
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zerinus

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You have failed to tell us what hyper-Calvinism is while continuing to show your nescience on the subject.

An exclamation point at the end of your declaration doesn't make it so my friend. :)
All Calvinism is ultimately hyper! That is the logical conclusion that TULIP ultimately leads to.
Lastly, your errant take on Romans 2 (which you know little of) teaches men are saved by works, and that there was no need for Christ to die on the cross, or be buried, or be raised. That is a false gospel.
I never said any such a thing. All men are ultimately saved by means of the Atonement of Jesus Christ. Without the Atonement, no one would be saved, period. But salvation through the Atonement is not unconditional. Repentance and keeping God's commandments are still an integral part of it. That is the message that Romans 2 is trying to give.
 

zerinus

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This is the Arminianism and Calvinism Sub Forum on the Theology Board. We discuss Theology here; reading Romans 2 without studying it without the rest of the Bible is NOT Theology. If you want to help us, you will need to 'speak our language' and use Systematic Theology. If you refuse to use Systematic Theology, perhaps you're only here to stalk the sheep?
What a load of nonsense. All Christian theology is ultimately derived from the Bible. It is the ultimate source of all Christian theology. There is no such thing as "systematic theology" outside the Bible. And I derive my theology directly from the Bible. I don't need your systematic theology to tell me what is in the Bible.
Paul said he became all things in hope to win some, not to win arguments; so while you're here, become a Theologian in hope to win us. But if you don't want to use All Scripture and only want to use one chapter, you're always welcome; because there are many here who are more than glad to speak to the Lurkers through you...
Talking nonsense. No idea what you are talking about. I reckon I am the best theologian round here at the moment, because I derive my theology directly from the Bible! Jesus in his debates with the Pharisees always quoted scripture. He never quoted the Talmud! I like to follow his example.
 

ReverendRV

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What a load of nonsense. All Christian theology is ultimately derived from the Bible. It is the ultimate source of all Christian theology. There is no such thing as "systematic theology" outside the Bible. And I derive my theology directly from the Bible. I don't need your systematic theology to tell me what is in the Bible.

Talking nonsense. No idea what you are talking about. I reckon I am the best theologian round here at the moment, because I derive my theology directly from the Bible! Jesus in his debates with the Pharisees always quoted scripture. He never quoted the Talmud! I like to follow his example.
Ah; you're not here to become all and win some then...
 

zerinus

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Ah; you're not here to become all and win some then...
I am here to expose the theological errors and heretical doctrines of Calvinism, and where applicable, also to defend Arminianism. I am not an Arminian; but if I had to choose between the two, I would choose Arminianism any day.
 

preacher4truth

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All Calvinism is ultimately hyper! That is the logical conclusion that TULIP ultimately leads to.

I never said any such a thing. All men are ultimately saved by means of the Atonement of Jesus Christ. Without the Atonement, no one would be saved, period. But salvation through the Atonement is not unconditional. Repentance and keeping God's commandments are still an integral part of it. That is the message that Romans 2 is trying to give.
You have failed to tell us what hyper-Calvinism is.

You never said any such thing? Nonsense. Recently you posted that men can be saved by doing the things in Romans 2. That's works. So I called you on that knowing that you would "toss" Christ in there later on, which is exactly what you did.

Your gospel is false and I knew you would say all are saved by Christ after exposing your belief that men can be saved by "doing" Romans 2. Your erroneous false gospel also says in addition to this error that men must also work for salvation who have "believed" the Gospel.

Therefore you are preaching they need Christ and their good works. That is condemned in Galatians 1:8-10.

Then you further confuse it and say that keeping the commandments is also necessary, showing even more clearly not only your nescience of the 2nd chapter of Romans but of the Gospel itself.

The only hope is in Christ alone. Not Christ plus something else.

This all makes you a false teacher, promoting a false gospel, and according to Paul persons holding to such are accursed 1:8-10.

Lastly, and ironically, you are embracing and are a proponent of hyper-Calvinism, and don't even know it.
 
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