Hyper Calvinism defined

Howie

Well-known member
No, I do not believe sinful man can save himself.

But what I do believe is, “For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people” (Titus 2:11)

God bless
Then why doesn't God give that grace for salvation to all people?
 
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guest1

Guest
Why must I always have to show Calvinists what Calvinism teaches lol

oh I know why because I know what Calvin taught and the WCF.

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Joe

Well-known member
Then why doesn't God give that grace for salvation to all people?
He does give that grace to all people, or the Apostle Paul is wrong when he stated that the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all people.

How do you interpret what our Lord’s Apostle stated?

And not only would the Apostle Paul be wrong, but the Apostle John too when he stated our Lord was the propitiation for the sins of the whole world.

God bless
 

Theo1689

Well-known member
He does give that grace to all people, or the Apostle Paul is wrong when he stated that the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all people.

First of all, why do you ASSUME that "all people" means "all individuals", rather than "all nations"?

Second of all:

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, (ESV)

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, (KJV)

How do you know which translation is accurate?

Does "all people" qualfy "salvation"?
Or does it qualify, "appeared"?
 

Theo1689

Well-known member
Why do you assume all have sinned means all have sinned 😂

Because it excludes, "none, no, NOT ONE" (Rom. 3).
A qualifier absent from Tit. 2:11.

I"m sorry, what's so funny?
I'm trying to have a serious discussion, and all you want to do is laugh at and mock anyone who disagrees with you. Are those fruits of the Spirit?
 

Howie

Well-known member
He does give that grace to all people...
How do you know that?
, or the Apostle Paul is wrong when he stated that the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all people.
That's not the only conclusion which can be reached regarding Paul's

How do you interpret what our Lord’s Apostle stated?
I know that all people are not saved; therefore, the "all" cannot mean all without exception, but must mean, all without distinction.

And not only would the Apostle Paul be wrong, but the Apostle John too when he stated our Lord was the propitiation for the sins of the whole world.
Same difficulty. The whole world isn't given salvation.
 
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guest1

Guest
Doesn't work.

All men are from the same lump of clay; therefore, all men should believe, but they don't.
What the world needs now is love sweet love that is the only thing that’s there is just to little of . :)
 
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guest1

Guest
You continue to prove you're not a teacher approved by God. 🙂
You don’t like Jackie DeShannon



What the world needs now,
Is love, sweet love,
It's the only thing that there's just too little of.
What the world needs now,
Is love, sweet love,
No, not just for some but for everyone.

Lord, we don't need another mountain,
There are mountains and hillsides enough to climb,
There are oceans and rivers enough to cross,
Enough to last 'til the end of time.

What the world needs now,
Is love, sweet love,
It's the only thing that there's just too little of.
What the world needs now,
Is love, sweet love,
No, not just for some but for everyone.

Lord, we don't need another meadow,
There are cornfields and wheatfields enough to grow,
There are sunbeams and moonbeams enough to shine,
Oh listen Lord, if you want to know...oh...

What the world needs now,
Is love, sweet love,
It's the only thing that there's just too little of.
What the world needs now,
Is love, sweet love,
No, not just for some oh but just for every, every, everyone.

What the world needs now,
Is love, sweet love.
What the world needs now,
Is love, sweet love.
What the world needs now,
Is love, sweet love.
 
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