I am curious how YOU would answer this question...

zerinus

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Thank you for your cordial and thoughtful response.
The above verse, James 4:6 in its context isn't written about the world at large, but of believers, and isn't concerning eternal salvation, but of active grace in the lives of believers.
Grace is still grace. If want to define grace as "unmerited" by definition, then that definition must apply across the board, not being dependent on the circumstances to which it is applied.
Grace concerning eternal salvation is unmerited favor.
Are you defining humility as a "work"?!
As Romans 11:5 says it (grace/favor) isn't on the basis of works (to merit) and if it were otherwise it would not be grace. If grace were merited (earned) then one would be boasting in what they did to save themselves. But there is no boasting, it is excluded. Note 1 Corinthians 1:26-31.
Let us examine Paul's words more carefully in context:

Romans 11:

3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I [Elijah] am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men [of Israel], who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time [Paul's time] also there is a remnant [of Israel] according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works [of the Law of Moses]: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.


Firstly, the passage is entirely about the house of Israel, not the Gentiles. Secondly, Paul equates, or compares, those (of the house of Israel, the "remnant") who were chosen, or elected at that time (his time), with the seven thousand men who had been chosen because they had not bowed the knee to the image of Baal in the days of Elijah. Now those were chosen precisely because they had not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. That was their merit for being chosen. Their "election" was not unmerited. They had the merit of not bowing the knee to Baal. Not bowing the knee to Baal is not a work. When Paul talks about "works," that is not what he is talking about. He is talking about the kind of "works" that the scribes and Pharisees of his day were engaged in, which were nothing more than a self-righteous hypocritical act. They tithed "mint and rue," but neglected the "weightier matters of the Law". So the bottom line is that grace is not unmerited. But what qualifies as "merit" is not a work--at least not the kind that the scribes and Pharisees were engaged in. Being humble is not a work. Being faithful is not a work. Not disobeying God is not a work. Not bowing the knee to Baal is not a work. But they do qualify one for receiving the grace of God.
 

zerinus

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zerinus

Yes, if its something you feel like you did in the flesh, and as a result God saved you based on it. Thats Salvation by your works, which is a contrary teaching to the truth.
Then you haven't a clue what humility, or being humble, is. If you think that you are "gaining" something "deserving" something by being humble, then you are not being humble. That is the definition of being proud, not being humble. God is the determiner of your degree of humility, to merit his grace or not, not you. But on a wider note, James' instructions are more instructive:

James 4:

6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.


There are an awful lot of good instructions there, all of are antithetical to your perverse, heretical, Calvinistic theology.
 

brightfame52

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Then you haven't a clue what humility, or being humble, is. If you think that you are "gaining" something "deserving" something by being humble, then you are not being humble. That is the definition of being proud, not being humble. God is the determiner of your degree of humility, to merit his grace or not, not you. But on a wider note, James' instructions are more instructive:

James 4:

6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.


There are an awful lot of good instructions there, all of are antithetical to your perverse, heretical, Calvinistic theology.
Lol sounds like you could use a little humility friend.
 

zerinus

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Pride is a hateful sin to God you know
Not for defeating Calvinism! In the economy of heaven, every kind of pride is disapproved of, defeating Calvinism being the only exception! That is the only kind of pride that you are allowed to have, and get credit for in heaven! :LOL:
 
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