I reject the Rcc, its pope, its marian dogmas, its claim to be the one, true church..

mica

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What we do is set our minds on the Spirit to stay in Christ and please God.

Romans 8 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 To set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7 For this reason the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law—indeed, it cannot, 8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
catholic minds aren't on the Spirit given by God, but on the spirit given by men (the flesh) - the rcc. the rcc is not God (nor is it of God) and it doesn't have His Spirit to give to you.
 

RayneBeau

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Because Jesus said He would lose NONE. Why? Because we are kept by God's power. 1Peter 1:5. You can't claim that because you are working to earn your salvation. Tell us when you have earned enough filthy rags to please God!
I'm sure that Stella, as well as the other Roman Catholics in this forum, was never been taught in Roman Catholicism that even Paul had to come to the point where he saw that all his achievements and good works were worthless in God's eyes, and that he was nothing more than a bankrupt sinner with a proud heart. He therefore had to turn from all his good works and his high estimate of himself. He came to Jesus Christ with empty hands, to cast himself on His mercy and to receive salvation. He himself had not achieved it. It had been achieved for him. Paul therefore abandoned any attempt to save himself and trusted completely in Jesus Christ. In other words, he turned from self-righteousness to Jesus as Saviour. In so turning he received the perfect righteousness of Jesus as a precious gift.
Furthermore, this salvation cannot be earned. Nor can it be merited by human works. It must be received as a gift of God based solely upon His mercy and grace: "To the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness." (Romans 4:5)
 
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bluedog1us

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I'm sure that Stella, as well as the other Roman Catholics in this forum, was never been taught in Roman Catholicism that even Paul had to come to the point where he saw that all his achievements and good works were worthless in God's eyes, and that he was nothing more than a bankrupt sinner with a proud heart. He therefore had to turn from all his good works and his high estimate of himself. He came to Jesus Christ with empty hands, to cast himself on His mercy and to receive salvation. He himself had not achieved it. It had been achieved for him. Paul therefore abandoned any attempt to save himself and trusted completely in Jesus Christ. In other words, he turned from self-righteousness to Jesus as Saviour. In so turning he received the perfect righteousness of Jesus as a precious gift.
Furthermore, this salvation cannot be earned. Nor can it be merited by human works. It must be received as a gift of God based solely upon His mercy and grace: "To the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness." (Romans 4:5)
The Gospel is the simplest thing to understand by those who have received Jesus by grace through faith. It is also an impossible thing to understand by those who are not born again.
1Cor 2:
14¶The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
 

RayneBeau

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The Gospel is the simplest thing to understand by those who have received Jesus by grace through faith. It is also an impossible thing to understand by those who are not born again.
1Cor 2:
14¶The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
AMEN! Dear Roman Catholic friends. Have you received your gift of salvation by faith, realizing that it cannot be earned by following the man-made rules of a church?
And have you also come to realize that your salvation cannot be merited by human works?
Salvation must be received as a gift of God based solely upon His mercy and grace.
Again, have you personally received your gift?

"To the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness.' Romans 4:5
 

Bonnie

Super Member
AMEN! Dear Roman Catholic friends. Have you received your gift of salvation by faith, realizing that it cannot be earned by following the man-made rules of a church?
And have you also come to realize that your salvation cannot be merited by human works?
Salvation must be received as a gift of God based solely upon His mercy and grace.
Again, have you personally received your gift?

"To the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness.' Romans 4:5
Amen! And "reckoned" here also means "imputed." Or "credited."
 

Bonnie

Super Member
I'm sure that Stella, as well as the other Roman Catholics in this forum, was never been taught in Roman Catholicism that even Paul had to come to the point where he saw that all his achievements and good works were worthless in God's eyes, and that he was nothing more than a bankrupt sinner with a proud heart. He therefore had to turn from all his good works and his high estimate of himself. He came to Jesus Christ with empty hands, to cast himself on His mercy and to receive salvation. He himself had not achieved it. It had been achieved for him. Paul therefore abandoned any attempt to save himself and trusted completely in Jesus Christ. In other words, he turned from self-righteousness to Jesus as Saviour. In so turning he received the perfect righteousness of Jesus as a precious gift.
Furthermore, this salvation cannot be earned. Nor can it be merited by human works. It must be received as a gift of God based solely upon His mercy and grace: "To the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness." (Romans 4:5)
Very well said, RayneBeau. Paul was a blasphemer and vile persecutor of the early church. Yet, despite this, Jesus came to him outside Damascus, revealing Himself to Paul in a very dramatic way. What did Paul do, that merited Jesus' doing this? Answer: absolutely nothing! It was pure Grace on Jesus' part. The rest is history.

Paul was saved solely by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not on account of any works he had done--certainly not those works he did while persecuting the early church, as a Pharisee among Pharisees!
 

Kirby

Active member
Very well said, RayneBeau. Paul was a blasphemer and vile persecutor of the early church. Yet, despite this, Jesus came to him outside Damascus, revealing Himself to Paul in a very dramatic way. What did Paul do, that merited Jesus' doing this? Answer: absolutely nothing! It was pure Grace on Jesus' part. The rest is history.

Paul was saved solely by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, not on account of any works he had done--certainly not those works he did while persecuting the early church, as a Pharisee among Pharisees!
It’s interesting that what both you and RayneBeau posted are fully Catholic and yet you seem to think otherwise.
 

bluedog1us

Well-known member
It’s interesting that what both you and RayneBeau posted are fully Catholic and yet you seem to think otherwise.
Every Christian is FULLY catholic. The whole church is FULLY catholic. Every true Christian is a member of the church catholic. That is biblical, as catholic biblically means worldwide. But we are NOT Roman Catholic, or eastern catholic, or other catholic "church." And the fallacy that once Roman Catholic always Roman catholic is pure garbage. True Christians almost always denounce romanism as soon or a short while after they are saved by the application of salvation by none other than the Holy Spirit!
 

Kirby

Active member
Every Christian is FULLY catholic. The whole church is FULLY catholic. Every true Christian is a member of the church catholic. That is biblical, as catholic biblically means worldwide. But we are NOT Roman Catholic, or eastern catholic, or other catholic "church." And the fallacy that once Roman Catholic always Roman catholic is pure garbage. True Christians almost always denounce romanism as soon or a short while after they are saved by the application of salvation by none other than the Holy Spirit!
“Roman” Catholics can change rites. So it’s not true that ‘once Roman Catholic always Roman Catholic’. There! We agree!
 

Bonnie

Super Member
Ncc's don't know 'hope' in the sense that Catholics do. They think of it as 'wishing'. But we understand hope as a 'confident expectation'. That distinguishes an attitude of presumption from the rightly ordered awe of Gods mercy, patience and the undeserved grace we receive.
No, we do not think of it as "wishing." We indeed think of Biblical hope as "confidant expectation". We are indeed aware that we are saved entirely by His grace, His undeserved love, which is ours by faith in Him and what He did for us on the cross. Grace we can neither merit or earn. It is the gift of God! :)
 

balshan

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It’s interesting that what both you and RayneBeau posted are fully Catholic and yet you seem to think otherwise.
Oh rubbish if it was then RCs would never justify their vile leaders with the words like - Jesus had Judas, Peter denied Jesus, their will be tares etc.

This shows they do not know or understand the dramatic power of the HS to change a person. Paul's conversion shows that dramatic power.

RCs reject most of the writings of Paul, they ignore his leadership requirements, they ignore 1 Cor 5:11 etc.

RCs need to learn if you talk then you MUST walk the talk, afterwise it is just hot air, meaningless.
 
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