Five Solas
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The only way and place that they can be known to exist and reside is in and with a believing mind.
I want to talk with a militant atheist on God exists or not.
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Well, at this point in time in this thread of mine, I am into inviting my colleague posters here, to with me adopt a non-partisan mode, and work together as to finally conclude on, Yes God exists or No God does not exist.
And how do we both adopt a non-partisan mode?
How else but with us both working together to arrive at concurrence on all things: that we see to be honest and intelligent and productive toward the final conclusion to the issue, God exists or not.
And right now from my part, I tender the irrefutable statement that I and my to be partner concur that we both exist.
So, please come forward anyone among posters here, who care and dare to adopt a non-partisan mode to work with me on resolving the issue, God exists or not.
Here I am and I will be waiting for such a non-partisan poster to work with me, on the things that we will accept to be honest and intelligent and productive: toward the communal labor of resolving the issue, God exists or not.
And how do we both adopt a non-partisan mode?
How else but with us both working together to arrive at concurrence on all things: that we see to be honest and intelligent and productive toward the final conclusion to the issue, God exists or not.
And right now from my part, I tender the irrefutable statement that I and my to be partner concur that we both exist.
So, please come forward anyone among posters here, who care and dare to adopt a non-partisan mode to work with me on resolving the issue, God exists or not.
Here I am and I will be waiting for such a non-partisan poster to work with me, on the things that we will accept to be honest and intelligent and productive: toward the communal labor of resolving the issue, God exists or not.
Your first step would be to stop ignoring everybody. You can't work with people if you're ignoring them.
Whateverman
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If anyone in the thread wants a bit of insight into the nature of this unique trolling we're being confronted with, do yourself a "favor" and Google "Marius Dejess".
The first four links which appear when I do this are to the following (in order):
If you take the time to dive into any (and all) of these, you'll indeed find someone who appears to sound just like this thread's author. This person appears to behave the same way elsewhere, rambling on barely-coherently, and listening to almost no one. He (?) appears to fancy himself an intellectual, and someone who researches things in an academic fashion.
As a software developer, I actually spend a lot of time on Stackexchange, albeit in a branch having nothing to do with philosophy, and I'm well aware of how the site tries to encourage high-quality answers. Yrger's inability to provide such answers is almost comical, as can be seen when he asks his own question and then attempts to answer it. None of the philosophically-minded people there buy any of it...
It's all fairly amusing...
The first four links which appear when I do this are to the following (in order):
If you take the time to dive into any (and all) of these, you'll indeed find someone who appears to sound just like this thread's author. This person appears to behave the same way elsewhere, rambling on barely-coherently, and listening to almost no one. He (?) appears to fancy himself an intellectual, and someone who researches things in an academic fashion.
As a software developer, I actually spend a lot of time on Stackexchange, albeit in a branch having nothing to do with philosophy, and I'm well aware of how the site tries to encourage high-quality answers. Yrger's inability to provide such answers is almost comical, as can be seen when he asks his own question and then attempts to answer it. None of the philosophically-minded people there buy any of it...
It's all fairly amusing...
Temujin
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It's just intellectual onanism, faintly disgusting to witness, like someone exposing themselves in a bus.
I think it was Christopher Hitchens who said something like, "Even IF you prove A "God" exists, you have your whole lifetime ahead of you in proving she is the Christian God concept."
Haha, long time no write.
The investigation of existence leads us to the existence of God, in concept as the permanent self-existent cause of man and the universe and everything transient, i.e. with a beginning and an ending.
1. Our investigation of our own existence tells us that we are transient beings, i.e. we have a beginning at birth and an ending at death.
2. Thinking on this fact, namely, that we are transient beings, brings us to the implication that there has got to be a being that is permanent and self-existent, that is the cause of us humans, and everything else that also has a beginning and an ending, like the universe.
3. At this point we go forth into the object world that is outside our concept world which is in our mind.
4. In the object world we seek this being which is permanent and self-existent and is the cause of man and the universe and everything transient, i.e. with a beginning and an ending.
5. We are still seeking . . .
What do you guys fellow posters here say about my idea?
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NB This post already published in another net forum.
The investigation of existence leads us to the existence of God, in concept as the permanent self-existent cause of man and the universe and everything transient, i.e. with a beginning and an ending.
1. Our investigation of our own existence tells us that we are transient beings, i.e. we have a beginning at birth and an ending at death.
2. Thinking on this fact, namely, that we are transient beings, brings us to the implication that there has got to be a being that is permanent and self-existent, that is the cause of us humans, and everything else that also has a beginning and an ending, like the universe.
3. At this point we go forth into the object world that is outside our concept world which is in our mind.
4. In the object world we seek this being which is permanent and self-existent and is the cause of man and the universe and everything transient, i.e. with a beginning and an ending.
5. We are still seeking . . .
What do you guys fellow posters here say about my idea?
:::
NB This post already published in another net forum.
rossum
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Logically false. If there was a first human, then there was no "cause of the first human" before the appearance of that first human. Similarly for the cause of the universe. The universe is less than 20 billion years old, hence there was no "cause of the universe" 20 billion years ago.
There can be no "cause of X" unless X also exists. Otherwise I, rossum, can claim to be the cause of 42 universes, but I haven't got round to causing them yet. Since that claim is obviously false, then there can be no permanent cause of an impermanent thing.
Neither the cause of humans nor the cause of the universe existed 20 billion years ago.
It may have led you there. That doesn't mean it should have.
Why? This is the same assertion you've previously repeated throughout the thread, without ever once supporting.
I say it remains completely unsupported.
Whateverman
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We're actually here, though, so your claim is false.
rossum
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You mistyped that space. We are now here.
GeneZ
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Please stay there........
Keep in mind. Those who God owns, he arranges for great patience to be developed.
Thanks for being used for my growth.
rossum
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You are welcome. I am always happy to help people on their path.
rossum
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It has to be your path. Nobody else can walk it for you.
GeneZ
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He made our unique finger prints. He also made our path if we be His.
I can make for some interesting discussion as to whether God exists but the Creator doesn't allow himself to be put on the defensive like that. He merely points out the way things will be judged and defined that is because the creation reveals it. Rom 1: 19,20 He uses the term that people will be without excuse.
People will claim they have excuse but it's already decided there will be none. This gives me peace to know it's not my place to do all of this heavy lifting those who don't want God choose that I do that is prove it. Here's the thing....if they won't yield and acknowledge what God has said and defined as self evident THEY WILL NOT yield to what other things you might want to share, and in fact with them they feel a sense that they're empowered....as in they've got God on the run. As in they're perched up on their attitude and God is somehow below them. Nope...he's not and never will be.
And does he have unique fingerprints on his hands too?
And when did he make my unique fingerprints, or the unique fingerprints of koalas?
GeneZ
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First of all.... You do not believe there is a God... Why ask, then?
You got to hate someone in projection.... I accept that fact.
The fact you can not accept? We each have unique finger prints.
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