If determinism is true

brightfame52

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You failed to address the point

The objector here is a hardened Jew who objects to God using him for an ignoble purpose

God did not make him the spoiled clay that he is but did harden him in that condition so as to use him to effect the crucifixion

This is not a case of God determining all his sin from birth

that is not the same thing
The point is you doing what Paul condemned as replying against God
 
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TomFL

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The point is you doing what Paul condemned as replying against God
Wrong

It was already shown what Paul was speaking of what not about God determining all of man's sin

You failed to address the point

The objector here is a hardened Jew who objects to God using him for an ignoble purpose

God did not make him the spoiled clay that he is but did harden him in that condition so as to use him to effect the crucifixion

This is not a case of God determining all his sin from birth

that is not the same thing
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Wrong

It was already shown what Paul was speaking of what not about God determining all of man's sin

You failed to address the point

The objector here is a hardened Jew who objects to God using him for an ignoble purpose

God did not make him the spoiled clay that he is but did harden him in that condition so as to use him to effect the crucifixion

This is not a case of God determining all his sin from birth

that is not the same thing
Yes right. It's the same response from all men who disagree with the way of God!
 
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TomFL

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Yes right. It's the same response from all men who disagree with the way of God!
Sorry but you are just mindlssly asserting what you think while paying no attention to the text of scripture in its context

Wrong

It was already shown what Paul was speaking of what not about God determining all of man's sin

You failed to address the point

The objector here is a hardened Jew who objects to God using him for an ignoble purpose

God did not make him the spoiled clay that he is but did harden him in that condition so as to use him to effect the crucifixion

This is not a case of God determining all his sin from birth

that is not the same thing
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Sorry but you are just mindlssly asserting what you think while paying no attention to the text of scripture in its context

Wrong

It was already shown what Paul was speaking of what not about God determining all of man's sin

You failed to address the point

The objector here is a hardened Jew who objects to God using him for an ignoble purpose

God did not make him the spoiled clay that he is but did harden him in that condition so as to use him to effect the crucifixion

This is not a case of God determining all his sin from birth

that is not the same thing
It's as plain as day that is your mindset. Rom 9
 
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TomFL

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It's as plain as day that is your mindset. Rom 9
You are speaking nonsense and failing to address anything

It was already shown what Paul was speaking of what not about God determining all of man's sin

You failed to address the point

The objector here is a hardened Jew who objects to God using him for an ignoble purpose

God did not make him the spoiled clay that he is but did harden him in that condition so as to use him to effect the crucifixion

This is not a case of God determining all his sin from birth

that is not the same thing
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
You are speaking nonsense and failing to address anything

It was already shown what Paul was speaking of what not about God determining all of man's sin

You failed to address the point

The objector here is a hardened Jew who objects to God using him for an ignoble purpose

God did not make him the spoiled clay that he is but did harden him in that condition so as to use him to effect the crucifixion

This is not a case of God determining all his sin from birth

that is not the same thing
You speaking nonsense and promoting the very same idea of the man in Rom 9 who repliest against God. That word repliest means antapokrinomai:

to contradict in reply, to answer by contradiction, reply against to contradict or dispute:—answer again, reply against.

You dispute with God on His determinism ! Its not fair is it ?
 
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TomFL

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You speaking nonsense and promoting the very same idea of the man in Rom 9 who repliest against God. That word repliest means antapokrinomai:

to contradict in reply, to answer by contradiction, reply against to contradict or dispute:—answer again, reply against.

You dispute with God on His determinism ! Its not fair is it ?
Sorry but you mindlessly repeating yourself never examining the evidence against your view

It was already shown what Paul was speaking of what not about God determining all of man's sin

You failed to address the point

The objector here is a hardened Jew who objects to God using him for an ignoble purpose

God did not make him the spoiled clay that he is but did harden him in that condition so as to use him to effect the crucifixion

He argues if God is using his stubbornness for his purpose why does he then still judge

This is not a case of God determining all his sin from birth

that is not the same thing
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Sorry but you mindlessly repeating yourself never examining the evidence against your view

It was already shown what Paul was speaking of what not about God determining all of man's sin

You failed to address the point

The objector here is a hardened Jew who objects to God using him for an ignoble purpose

God did not make him the spoiled clay that he is but did harden him in that condition so as to use him to effect the crucifixion

He argues if God is using his stubbornness for his purpose why does he then still judge

This is not a case of God determining all his sin from birth

that is not the same thing
It needs to be repeated and reminded !
 
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TomFL

Guest
It needs to be repeated and reminded !
You need to address it and get it right before mindlessly repeating it

You have done neither

The objector here is a hardened Jew who objects to God using him for an ignoble purpose

God did not make him the spoiled clay that he is but did harden him in that condition so as to use him to effect the crucifixion

He argues if God is using his stubbornness for his purpose why does he then still judge

This is not a case of God determining all his sin from birth

that is not the same thing
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
You need to address it and get it right before mindlessly repeating it

You have done neither

The objector here is a hardened Jew who objects to God using him for an ignoble purpose

God did not make him the spoiled clay that he is but did harden him in that condition so as to use him to effect the crucifixion

He argues if God is using his stubbornness for his purpose why does he then still judge

This is not a case of God determining all his sin from birth

that is not the same thing
Its nothing to address, men reply against the Sovereign determinate will of God which predetermines all things, men's sin included, and then He justly punishes men for their sin !

Then men as yourself will say " Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?"
 
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TomFL

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Its nothing to address, men reply against the Sovereign determinate will of God which predetermines all things, men's sin included, and then He justly punishes men for their sin !

Then men as yourself will say " Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?"
Sorry God did not determine the Jews to be the stubborn stiff necked people they were. He did however use them in that condition to effect the crucifixion

You are simply ignoring text and spouting your ideology
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Sorry God did not determine the Jews to be the stubborn stiff necked people they were. He did however use them in that condition to effect the crucifixion

You are simply ignoring text and spouting your ideology
God determines what all men do, jew or gentile, rich or poor the devil himself is determined by God what to do and he's accountable for it!
 
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TomFL

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God determines what all men do, jew or gentile, rich or poor the devil himself is determined by God what to do and he's accountable for it!
Again book chapter and verse which shows God determines all of man's desires, thoughts and deeds

else you have nothing
 

brightfame52

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If you really believe the point out the words

You are just robotically announcing your theology
Yes scripture teach it. I have shown you and a couple of others. You reject it like I expect you to do. You like the Rom 9 man Paul write of Rom 9 20

Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

O man does not matter nationality!
 
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TomFL

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Yes scripture teach it. I have shown you and a couple of others. You reject it like I expect you to do. You like the Rom 9 man Paul write of Rom 9 20

Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

O man does not matter nationality!
Says nothing at all about determining all the sins of man

They call that eisegesis
 
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