If God wanted people to become X, why not write the bible properly?

AV1611VET

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[19] We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
Revelation, too
[16] I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
I thought you said "Isaiah 14"?

For the record, I'm a KJVO.

And if the Originals differ from the King James Bible, the Originals are wrong.
 

CrowCross

Super Member
According to fundy Christians, the Bible is perfect for reproof and converting, and is proof of Jesus. If it's full of apparently contradictory things, then it's not written well, unless its God's intent to confuse people to truth, and lose all his converts, to Islam. However, what would I know. Maybe he just inserted hell in for a laugh, to make us take it seriously, but there's really no hell.
You spoke of the bible as..."If it's full of apparently contradictory things,"

I can see your point....but I also know for the apparent contradictions scripture is typically ripped out of its context and molded into the so-called contradiction. I find it amazing how people like you and your sect will defend the contradiction at all cost despite being provided with an answer. Even if it's obvious you'll still defend the so-called contradiction based upon a twist inserted by you or your sect....instead of being humble and saying, I see your point on this issue. It's simply not in you to do that.
 

CrowCross

Super Member
So, gnostic scipture? So, Quran? Book of Mormon?
Really? You wanna go there? You might as well throw in the phonebook.

The Quran and the book of Mormon denies who the biblical Jesus is....Jesus' name is not in the phonebook....they are not considered as scripture. They failed the Berean test.
 

Furion

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If it's that ironic, then maybe it isn't true. Maybe you've misunderstood God's influence in the world.
Maybe you can provide a rational reason why people who have wealth find it difficult to enter the kingdom?

I mean, nevermind the parables and scripture explaining why, you can provide your own reasoning, I'll read it.

I was being gentle in describing the rich and their mentality. I can relate what God says about the rich and why it is difficult for them. I've been both poor and wealthy, I can see the pitfalls.
 

CrowCross

Super Member
1. Sun created on 4th day. Surely it would have been better to have it created on the first day.
No, the first light was the glory of God. Why would the sun shine before the light of God?

Rev 21: 23 And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb.
 

5wize

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Likely true, but it's not the focus of the concept, I think you know that.
Not sure what "concept" I missed. Probably true though.
It doesn't appear to me that God is afraid of or cannot account for sin.
He sure does react strongly to it.
But when a man becomes rich, he seems to settle into having little need of God, he can get along just fine in life without Him, amirite?

So a man is given gifts from God like life, skills, smarts. Even success and money.

And then the man decides he doesn't need God.

Kinda ironically hilarious.
Mixed bag. If you have a propensity for theism it usually survives success and the lottery.
 

Furion

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Not sure what "concept" I missed. Probably true though.

He sure does react strongly to it.

Mixed bag. If you have a propensity for theism it usually survives success and the lottery.
You don't have to agree with the Lord on the issues of the rich, no. My thinking is He knows better than you.

The concept is the post you responded to, the irony of the rich receiving all they have from the Lord, and turning around and not needing the Lord once their new barns are built.

You know, like Jesus related to us, 'you fool, your very life will be required of you tonight'*, to paraphrase.

*If you don't recognize the reference, I can help.
 

Lucian

Member
Is 2 Peter authentic? Sounds like one of those handy catch-all statements like all "scripture" is inspired, without stating which bits they could be. It allows you to append it to any group of fake books. Paul didn't know that John/Matthew/Revelation would be in the cannon, for example. I presume he would be egotistical enough to think his own epistles were scripture, though.
It depends on what you mean by 'authentic', but it's not generally held to be written by the Peter.
 

5wize

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You don't have to agree with the Lord on the issues of the rich, no. My thinking is He knows better than you.

The concept is the post you responded to, the irony of the rich receiving all they have from the Lord, and turning around and not needing the Lord once their new barns are built.

You know, like Jesus related to us, 'you fool, your very life will be required of you tonight'*, to paraphrase.

*If you don't recognize the reference, I can help.
No, that's fine... We'll go with it.
 

SteveB

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Us, really. The Bible is supposed to convince us of stuff. If it gets everything wrong (in our eyes) then it's not going to be accepted.
This is what I read in Genesis 1:2-8. God parted the waters and made blue sky from water, with an ethereal "good" backlight. This ethereal backlight then got divided into two hemispheres or something, and rotated around the earth for the first 3 days. The writer apparently did not understand atmospheric scattering of blue light.This confused everyone.
Hmm....

Ever study cosmology or astrophysics?

In 2005, I took an astrophysics course at the university as part of my physics program. I returned to college as part of my cancer recovery plan, in my late thirties and early forties.

One of the items discussed was that upon the creation of a star, there's light (not optical) that exceeds the speed of light, which is emitted from the star.

While light from our star only takes ~8 and a third minutes to reach the earth, the creation of the cosmos would result in a massive burst of light and energy. Aka, God said, let there be light....

So, I'm not bothered with this issue because there are numerous things that we simply have not yet learned about the cosmos.

For example, this morning I saw a news report that they've found that the big bang theory is sufficiently inept that they no longer believe that the big bang is the cause for the origin of the cosmos.


It's actually an interesting article.

Don't let what you don't actually know, define what you believe because what you think happened doesn't make sense to you.

According to Philo, he thought that God was playing a joke on atheists to get them to realize they don't have any idea what they're talking about.

Here's another thought for you.

Ever worked in a workshop to build anything?
Ever seen anyone else do it?

Ever notice that the workers have to turn on the lights before they start working?
Before I had the cancer, i was a journeyman sheet metal worker.
I needed light to see what I was doing.
So, when I walked into the shop, or if i got on the jobsite and it was still dark, I'd find lighting to get some light to see what i was doing.

Standard practice!

God created the cosmos and then set about to start working on earth. He needed a light to see what he was doing, so he said- let there be light.

If you've ever actually paid attention to what the sunlight does in lighting the earth.... it has a nasty habit of leaving shadows in certain places/areas.

God decided that he wanted to focus on his work without any shadows preventing him.

Furthermore, we read in the new testament that God is Light, and in him there is no darkness.
As such, we can pretty readily observe that God simply flipped his own light switch on.

Don't assume that you know what you have no background for.
 

SteveB

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The canon was chosen by men in the 2nd - 5th centuries. This is long after the era of plenary inspiration and during a time when superstitions competing religious/mythical dogmas were fighting for the weak minds of the populace. The people that chose what stays and what does not were not under God's inspiration as the writers were claimed to be. But hey, they weren't fools of their day, the Apocrypha was left out - but they are fools of the standards of this day.

That makes you a fool.
Yep. Another person who confirms the veracity of the bible.
Man! You guys are doing this exactly the way YHVH says you would!

Congratulations! You're batting 1000!

consider the prophet to be a fool, and the man who is inspired to be insane, because of the abundance of your sins, and because your hostility is great.


Keep it up nickel.
 

5wize

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Yep. Another person who confirms the veracity of the bible.
Man! You guys are doing this exactly the way YHVH says you would!

Congratulations! You're batting 1000!

consider the prophet to be a fool, and the man who is inspired to be insane, because of the abundance of your sins, and because your hostility is great.


Keep it up nickel.
Now that's exactly what every cult claims now isn't it... that the outside world will condemn them.
 

Mr Laurier

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If you were placed in a room with the following:
  1. pile of one dollar bills
  2. pile of two dollar bills
  3. pile of three dollar bills
  4. pile of four dollar bills
  5. pile of five dollar bills
  6. pile of six dollar bills
  7. pile of seven dollar bills
  8. pile of eight dollar bills
  9. pile of nine dollar bills
  10. pile of ten dollar bills
And you were told to separate all the bills into two piles:
  1. legal tender
  2. non-legal tender
Could you do it?
Yep.
The Bank of Canada has never issued a 3, or 4, or 6, or 7, or 8, or 9, dollar bill.
So right away, these bills are NOT legal tender
 

SteveB

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Now that's exactly what every cult claims now isn't it... that the outside world will condemn them.
Then you're more than welcome to destroy yourself.
I think everyone who is terrified learning the truth for themselves should be able to offer up endless excuses.

Have fun with that! 🤦🏾‍♂️
 
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