If God wanted people to become X, why not write the bible properly?

5wize

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Then you're more than welcome to destroy yourself.
I think everyone who is terrified learning the truth for themselves should be able to offer up endless excuses.

Have fun with that! 🤦🏾‍♂️
What is your excuse for learning that you are in a cult, a cult that you yourself have proven, that you recognize, works exactly like a cult, yet you must remain blind to that because being owned by your belief is simply less scary than the truth?

That is a dangerous cocktail of the emotional fear to face the truth mixed with the intellectual laziness required to continue and live your façade?
 
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5wize

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Bingo! good job!
You are not following. The Apocryphal texts were generated from the same source of belief and origin as the canon.

The proper analogy is why did the Christian church get rid of the 3, 4 and 7 dollar bills? On what warrant or authority was that choice made against the 11, and 13 dollar bills of the gospel of John and Revelation?
 

5wize

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You spoke of the bible as..."If it's full of apparently contradictory things,"

I can see your point....but I also know for the apparent contradictions scripture is typically ripped out of its context and molded into the so-called contradiction. I find it amazing how people like you and your sect will defend the contradiction at all cost despite being provided with an answer. Even if it's obvious you'll still defend the so-called contradiction based upon a twist inserted by you or your sect....instead of being humble and saying, I see your point on this issue. It's simply not in you to do that.
Most of the apologetics are too strained for credibility. That's why defending the Christian dogma is called apologetics. Let's talk about the creation of light on day 1 and the sun on 4. Something early and simple in the canon. Night and day, light and dark set apart in a cycle of a day happened before the sun was created on day 4.

What's the apologetic? Does it rely on your own invention or is the explanation biblical? Is it easier to just say, given what we know about ancient cosmological belief, that they just got it wrong in the bible... no harm, no foul?
 
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AV1611VET

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You are not following. The Apocryphal texts were generated from the same source of belief and origin as the canon.

The proper analogy is why did the Christian church get rid of the 3, 4 and 7 dollar bills? On what warrant or authority was that choice made against the 11, and 13 dollar bills of the gospel of John and Revelation?
In order to be considered "legal tender" the books:

1. Had to be written by one known to be associated with God.
2. Had to be revelatory in nature.
3. Had to be universally recognized by the church.
4. Had to be considered inspired by God.
 

Mr Laurier

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In order to be considered "legal tender" the books:

1. Had to be written by one known to be associated with God.
2. Had to be revelatory in nature.
3. Had to be universally recognized by the church.
4. Had to be considered inspired by God.
5. had to be promoted by the bishop with the biggest army
 

CrowCross

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Most of the apologetics are too strained for credibility. That's why defending the Christian dogma is called apologetics. Let's talk about the creation of light on day 1 and the sun on 4. Something early and simple in the canon. Night and day, light and dark set apart in a cycle of a day happened before the sun was created on day 4.

.....and, so what? There was light. Is the concept to simple for your mind?
What's the apologetic? Does it rely on your own invention or is the explanation biblical? Is it easier to just say, given what we know about ancient cosmological belief, that they just got it wrong in the bible... no harm, no foul?
Perhaps you got it wrong...no harm, no foul?
 

AV1611VET

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5. had to be promoted by the bishop with the biggest army
I know academia today likes to go back and reopen cases of the past and insert their brand of education into the mix.

I think the technical term for that is: historical revisionism.

Academia comes up with something new, then expects us Christians to agree with them.

And when we won't ... well ... we're home schooled, live in trailers, shouldn't be using the Internet, should be living in caves, et cetera.

Truth of the matter is, you and your classrooms weren't there when they established the canon of Scripture; and even though you may think you'd like to be, God put you in a different era.

And your science is too myopic to be able to look back far enough to change anything.
 

Lucian

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In order to be considered "legal tender" the books:

1. Had to be written by one known to be associated with God.
2. Had to be revelatory in nature.
3. Had to be universally recognized by the church.
4. Had to be considered inspired by God.
For the construction of the New Testament canon, things weren't quite as neat as this (at least for awhile).
 

Mr Laurier

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I know academia today likes to go back and reopen cases of the past and insert their brand of education into the mix.
So you like a fantasy you have created from nothing.
I think the technical term for that is: historical revisionism.
And you are wrong again.
Academia comes up with something new, then expects us Christians to agree with them.
And three times. You are on a roll.
And when we won't ... well ... we're home schooled, live in trailers, shouldn't be using the Internet, should be living in caves, et cetera.
Wow... you are consistently wrong.
Truth of the matter is, you and your classrooms weren't there when they established the canon of Scripture; and even though you may think you'd like to be, God put you in a different era.
Truth of the matter is... I dont have any classrooms, and have never thought that I would like to live in the dark ages.
And God didnt do anything.
And your science is too myopic to be able to look back far enough to change anything.
My science is a fantasy you created from nothing.
 

5wize

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.....and, so what? There was light. Is the concept to simple for your mind?
We know the source of light that separates night from day is the sun. That was the 4rth day.
Perhaps you got it wrong...no harm, no foul?
Nope. We know the sun is the Earth's entire source of natural light, and earth spin causes night and day in proximation to the sun. Ancient cosmologists got this wrong... the bible has it wrong. A knowing and guiding hand of God was not involved with the authorship of the myth.
 

5wize

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In order to be considered "legal tender" the books:

1. Had to be written by one known to be associated with God.
2. Had to be revelatory in nature.
3. Had to be universally recognized by the church.
4. Had to be considered inspired by God.
There is nothing listed here that is different from the texts left out. They did not know who wrote the books. The book of Thomas is as revelatory as it gets. Universal recognition within the church is not parsed out to this day. "Considered" inspired by God? Wonder how that one was discussed given the bible to this day is not a consistent canon.
 

AV1611VET

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We know the source of light that separates night from day is the sun. That was the 4rth day.

Nope. We know the sun is the Earth's entire source of natural light, and earth spin causes night and day in proximation to the sun. Ancient cosmologists got this wrong... the bible has it wrong. A knowing and guiding hand of God was not involved with the authorship of the myth.
Did it occur to you that there could be "days going by" on a planet that has no sun?

A day is one rotation of a planet on its axis.

Do you realize that a day on Venus is longer than a year on Venus?
 

AV1611VET

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There is nothing listed here that is different from the texts left out. They did not know who wrote the books. The book of Thomas is as revelatory as it gets. Universal recognition within the church is not parsed out to this day. "Considered" inspired by God? Wonder how that one was discussed given the bible to this day is not a consistent canon.
QV please:
Did an apostle or close associate write the Gospel of Thomas? In a word, no. In fact, the consensus among scholarship is that the book dates to the middle of the second century — long after the apostles had died out. That is to say, Jesus’ disciple Thomas did not write this book.

SOURCE

But "consensus among scholarship" can take a hike, can't it? ;)
 

SteveB

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What is your excuse for learning that you are in a cult, a cult that you yourself have proven, that you recognize, works exactly like a cult, yet you must remain blind to that because being owned by your belief is simply less scary than the truth?
You haven't actually demonstrated that loving YHVH, my enemies, praying for those who mock me, and need to lie to convince me they're not afraid is a cult.
So..... keep going. I look forward to see how desperate you are.

That is a dangerous cocktail of the emotional fear to face the truth mixed with the intellectual laziness required to continue and live your façade?
I'm not the one who's afraid. I'm actually enjoying the joy, shalom, calm of being, and satisfaction YHVH provides.
 
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