If regeneration irrevocably imparts a sense of guilt then.....

TomFL

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So a spiritually dead person can't do anything until Christ makes them alive
So how do they hate God and reject the gospel if they can't do anything and how do
they manage to sin

Your understanding of the term dead is defective

scripture plainly shows faith and repentance precede regeneration

The one you ignored being one


Acts 11:18 —KJV
“When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.”

this another

John 20:31 —KJV
“But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”

BTW the passage you quote is about the resurrection and says nothing at all about regeneration before faith

Deal with your errors
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
So how do they hate God and reject the gospel if they can't do anything and how do
they manage to sin

Your understanding of the term dead is defective

scripture plainly shows faith and repentance precede regeneration

The one you ignored being one


Acts 11:18 —KJV
“When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.”

this another

John 20:31 —KJV
“But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”

BTW the passage you quote is about the resurrection and says nothing at all about regeneration before faith

Deal with your errors
When they are Spiritually dead it's natural for man to hate God. All men are born at enmity and enemies against God Rom 5:10

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

That word enemies means

  1. hated, odious, hateful
  2. hostile, hating, and opposing another
    1. used of men as at enmity with God by their sin
      1. opposing (God) in the mind
 

TomFL

Well-known member
When they are Spiritually dead it's natural for man to hate God. All men are born at enmity and enemies against God Rom 5:10

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

That word enemies means

  1. hated, odious, hateful
  2. hostile, hating, and opposing another
    1. used of men as at enmity with God by their sin
      1. opposing (God) in the mind
Did you forget you stated a dead man can't do anything

You can't have your cake and eat it too

So how do they hate God and reject the gospel if they can't do anything and how do
they manage to sin

Your understanding of the term dead is defective

scripture plainly shows faith and repentance precede regeneration

The one you ignored being one


Acts 11:18 —KJV
“When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.”

this another

John 20:31 —KJV
“But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”

BTW the passage you quote is about the resurrection and says nothing at all about regeneration before faith

Deal with your errors
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Did you forget you stated a dead man can't do anything

You can't have your cake and eat it too

So how do they hate God and reject the gospel if they can't do anything and how do
they manage to sin

Your understanding of the term dead is defective

scripture plainly shows faith and repentance precede regeneration

The one you ignored being one


Acts 11:18 —KJV
“When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.”

this another

John 20:31 —KJV
“But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”

BTW the passage you quote is about the resurrection and says nothing at all about regeneration before faith

Deal with your errors
The question is how can a Spiritually dead person not hate God.
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
according to you a dead man cannot do anything

so how do they hate and reject God and sin

your use of the analogy of dead is inconsistent
How can a dead sinner not hate God and reject God? No it's not inconsistent. Man hates and rejects God naturally. He is spiritually dead remember
 

TomFL

Well-known member
How can a dead sinner not hate God and reject God? No it's not inconsistent. Man hates and rejects God naturally. He is spiritually dead remember
According to you they are dead and cannot do nothing

Your understanding must therefore be defective
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Lol you are confused about physical death and inability and spiritual death and inability
No the confusion is yours

You claimed the unsaved were dead and could do nothing

Now you want them to hate and reject and sin

A corpse can do none of things

You have a problem you need to address
 

SteveB

Well-known member
2 Corinthians 7:9-10 As it is, I rejoice, not because you were grieved, but because you were grieved into repenting. For you felt a godly grief, so that you suffered no loss through us. For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret

Many Calvinists are walking contradicts to the very things they teach. If such things are of God's perfect imparting, then why are you not ALL equally repentant and assuredly an exacting image of such imparting?

In other words, the proof is right in front of you. It IS you.
Have you ever read John 3:16-21?
How about Romans 8:1-9?
We who are in Christ--- we're no longer condemned.
the shame of our past is wiped away.
Our sin is not only forgiven, God has said he will no longer remember it.
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
No the confusion is yours

You claimed the unsaved were dead and could do nothing

Now you want them to hate and reject and sin

A corpse can do none of things

You have a problem you need to address
You are confused, equating mans physical ability and activity with his spiritual activity and ability. Man is spiritually dead by nature, not physical dead. You asked me how can man hate God if hes dead, thats easy, man in his physical nature can hate God and does hate God. Spiritually hes dead to God altogether !
 

TomFL

Well-known member
You are confused, equating mans physical ability and activity with his spiritual activity and ability. Man is spiritually dead by nature, not physical dead. You asked me how can man hate God if hes dead, thats easy, man in his physical nature can hate God and does hate God. Spiritually hes dead to God altogether !
Sorry you did that when you confused spiritual dead with physical death

so now you can live with it

You claimed the unsaved were dead and could do nothing

Now you want them to hate and reject and sin

A corpse can do none of things
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Sorry you did that when you confused spiritual dead with physical death

so now you can live with it

You claimed the unsaved were dead and could do nothing

Now you want them to hate and reject and sin

A corpse can do none of things
You are confused, a Spiritually dead person, has no Spiritual ability, hes a corpse spiritually. Now does he have physical ability ? With that carnal mind he hates God, not subject to God and cant be Rom 8:7-8
 

TomFL

Well-known member
You are confused, a Spiritually dead person, has no Spiritual ability, hes a corpse spiritually. Now does he have physical ability ? With that carnal mind he hates God, not subject to God and cant be Rom 8:7-8
Well then he cannot hate or reject God and he cannot sin
 
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