If The Mass & the Wafer Are That Great - Why Is It Forced On Roman Catholics?

RayneBeau

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If the Roman Catholic Mass and Eucharist is the "PERFECT" and "REAL" Sacrifice of the Cross, as the Roman Catholic Church desperately wants people to believe, then why did the RCC find it necessary to make up and proclaim their own binding law that Roman Catholics MUST attend their 'perfect and real' Sacrifice of the Cross (aka the RCC Mass), and receive the 'perfect and real' Last Supper/ Sacrifice of the Cross 'bread wafer' at least once a year? Why are Roman Catholics indoctrinated to believe that they must abide by this rule/ law/ proclamation, which was made-up by Roman Catholic men at the RCC headquarters, for Roman Catholics to obey, or else they will be living in mortal sin, die and go to hell, if that "sin" the RCC men conjured up is not confessed to a Roman Catholic priest, and they do not do the "penance" assigned to them for their sin, and do not receive absolution - hell will be their eternal destiny, the Roman Catholic Church proclaims.
 

Atemi

Member
The relevance of this observation cannot be overstated.

Growing up Catholic, when asked why we HAVE TO go to Mass at threat of Hell, even the most devout of Catholics admitted that they would not go to Mass if they were not commanded and threatened to do so. Though the gravity of that admission is lost on them, it is not lost on me.

Basically, even the most devout Roman Catholics admit openly that they don't believe their own nonsense about their Eucharist and Mass. They simply do not buy it themselves, but are DESPERATE to sell it to everyone else.

If Catholics believed half of what they claim about their Mass and Eucharist, they would make sure to attend Mass daily. Almost all of them make sure not to do so.

There is no greater testimony to the lies of Roman Catholicism than Catholics themselves.
 

ding

Member
If the Roman Catholic Mass and Eucharist is the "PERFECT" and "REAL" Sacrifice of the Cross, as the Roman Catholic Church desperately wants people to believe, then why did the RCC find it necessary to make up and proclaim their own binding law that Roman Catholics MUST attend their 'perfect and real' Sacrifice of the Cross (aka the RCC Mass), and receive the 'perfect and real' Last Supper/ Sacrifice of the Cross 'bread wafer' at least once a year? Why are Roman Catholics indoctrinated to believe that they must abide by this rule/ law/ proclamation, which was made-up by Roman Catholic men at the RCC headquarters, for Roman Catholics to obey, or else they will be living in mortal sin, die and go to hell, if that "sin" the RCC men conjured up is not confessed to a Roman Catholic priest, and they do not do the "penance" assigned to them for their sin, and do not receive absolution - hell will be their eternal destiny, the Roman Catholic Church proclaims.
What the Catholic Church teaches is what Jesus wants us to know. The Holy Spirit guides us into all the truth.
 

mica

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RayneBeau said:
If the Roman Catholic Mass and Eucharist is the "PERFECT" and "REAL" Sacrifice of the Cross, as the Roman Catholic Church desperately wants people to believe, then why did the RCC find it necessary to make up and proclaim their own binding law that Roman Catholics MUST attend their 'perfect and real' Sacrifice of the Cross (aka the RCC Mass), and receive the 'perfect and real' Last Supper/ Sacrifice of the Cross 'bread wafer' at least once a year? Why are Roman Catholics indoctrinated to believe that they must abide by this rule/ law/ proclamation, which was made-up by Roman Catholic men at the RCC headquarters, for Roman Catholics to obey, or else they will be living in mortal sin, die and go to hell, if that "sin" the RCC men conjured up is not confessed to a Roman Catholic priest, and they do not do the "penance" assigned to them for their sin, and do not receive absolution - hell will be their eternal destiny, the Roman Catholic Church proclaims.
What the Catholic Church teaches is what Jesus wants us to know. The Holy Spirit guides us into all the truth.
why didn't you answer the question in the above post (it's in red)?''

no, the RCC does not teach what Jesus wants us to know. That is found in scripture.

He will if He is guiding you. obviously based on what you do believe, He is not the one who is guiding you.
 

ding

Member
why didn't you answer the question in the above post (it's in red)?''

no, the RCC does not teach what Jesus wants us to know. That is found in scripture.

He will if He is guiding you. obviously based on what you do believe, He is not the one who is guiding you.
How can we know who is being guided by the Holy Spirit?
 

Septextura

Well-known member
If the Roman Catholic Mass and Eucharist is the "PERFECT" and "REAL" Sacrifice of the Cross, as the Roman Catholic Church desperately wants people to believe, then why did the RCC find it necessary to make up and proclaim their own binding law that Roman Catholics MUST attend their 'perfect and real' Sacrifice of the Cross (aka the RCC Mass), and receive the 'perfect and real' Last Supper/ Sacrifice of the Cross 'bread wafer' at least once a year? Why are Roman Catholics indoctrinated to believe that they must abide by this rule/ law/ proclamation, which was made-up by Roman Catholic men at the RCC headquarters, for Roman Catholics to obey, or else they will be living in mortal sin, die and go to hell, if that "sin" the RCC men conjured up is not confessed to a Roman Catholic priest, and they do not do the "penance" assigned to them for their sin, and do not receive absolution - hell will be their eternal destiny, the Roman Catholic Church proclaims.

I've read multiple ex Romies saying as children they were told not to chew on the wafer and if they start choking not to spit it out on the ground.

Bizarre.
 
What the Catholic Church teaches is what Jesus wants us to know. The Holy Spirit guides us into all the truth.
As Jesus Christ was leading His Twelve Apostles into the events of Last Supper, the Garden of Gethsemane and His Crucifixion and Resurrection, Jesus promised that would send not the Bible but the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit would lead the Church into all truth (and later into writing and confirming the canon of the New Testament) (John 16:13).
 
why didn't you answer the question in the above post (it's in red)?''
Mica / Micah, Who gave you authority and entitlements to demand answers? Wouldn't it be better for you to speak gracious words that edify the hearers (Ephesians 4:29)? When are you going to live up to that prophet's name that you have in doing justly, loving mercy and walking humbly with your God (Micah 6:8)?
 

Septextura

Well-known member
Do you not know? Some things are sacred.

(Priests) shall teach my people to distinguish between sacred and profane (Ezekiel 44:23).

The Saint is sacred because they are indwelled by the Holy Ghost. The Christian Wolf wafer is only a bunch of carbohydrates, regardless of the magic words Hoc est enim corpus meum uttered.

Everything in Rome is inverted.
 
Everything in Rome is inverted.
Jesus Christ founded the Roman Catholic (and Eastern Orthodox) Church upon a foundation of Twelve Apostles. They have continued across twenty-one centuries until today with unbroken apostolic succession among their bishops.

People other than Jesus Christ have tried to start Christian Churches, particularly during the sixteenth century and afterwards. Many of those have not endured. Many were operated as businesses and have gone "out of business". People are still starting new ones.

The Apostle Paul prayed for church adherents that they would be filled with "all the fullness of God" (Ephesians 3:19). The Catholic Church is not a perfect Church. It has often needed reforms. However, I prefer the Church that Jesus started and the Holy Spirit has sustained and find the greatest fullness there of liturgy, sacraments, practices, graces, saints. The Catholic Church has created many charitable deeds and many saints.

I am glad for the "separated brethren" to exercise the graces that they have. But, Jesus Christ established only one Church and He prayed for unity.
 

ding

Member
The Saint is sacred because they are indwelled by the Holy Ghost. The Christian Wolf wafer is only a bunch of carbohydrates, regardless of the magic words Hoc est enim corpus meum uttered.

Everything in Rome is inverted.
So the early church fathers were inverted too?

The Real Presence was upheld by early Christians.

It was upheld by St. Ignatius of Antioch in the first century:

“Consider how contrary to the mind of God are the heterodox in regard to the grace of God which has come to us . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, the flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His graciousness, raised from the dead.” (St. Ignatius of Antioch, Letter to the Smyrnaeans, circa 90 AD).
It was upheld by St. Justin Martyr in the second century:

“This food we call the Eucharist, of which no one is allowed to partake except one who believes that the things we teach are true, and has received the washing for forgiveness of sins and for rebirth, and who lives as Christ handed down to us. For we do not receive these things as common bread or common drink; but as Jesus Christ our Savior being incarnate by God’s Word took flesh and blood for our salvation, so also we have been taught that the food consecrated by the Word of prayer which comes from him, from which our flesh and blood are nourished by transformation, is the flesh and blood of that incarnate Jesus” (St. Justin Martyr, First Apology, circa 150 AD).
 

LifeIn

Active member
why did the RCC find it necessary to make up and proclaim their own binding law that Roman Catholics MUST attend their 'perfect and real' Sacrifice of the Cross (aka the RCC Mass), and receive the 'perfect and real' Last Supper/ Sacrifice of the Cross 'bread wafer' at least once a year?
That's a false premise. The Church does not demand anything of its members. It is Jesus who offered himself to us in the eucharist. The Church is just recognizing the insult it would be to Jesus after all he went through to eschew his very self.
 

ding

Member
As Jesus Christ was leading His Twelve Apostles into the events of Last Supper, the Garden of Gethsemane and His Crucifixion and Resurrection, Jesus promised that would send not the Bible but the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit would lead the Church into all truth (and later into writing and confirming the canon of the New Testament)(John 16:13).
Exactly. It is silly to think that the Bible alone will lead us into all the truth.
 

mica

Well-known member
Mica / Micah, Who gave you authority and entitlements to demand answers?
who gave you the authority and entitlement to question my question about my question?

Wouldn't it be better for you to speak gracious words that edify the hearers (Ephesians 4:29)?
wouldn't it be better for you to speak His words to edify others rather than words made up by man?

When are you going to live up to that prophet's name that you have in doing justly, loving mercy and walking humbly with your God (Micah 6:8)?
my forum name has nothing to do with Micah of the OT.
 

ding

Member
who gave you the authority and entitlement to question my question about my question?


wouldn't it be better for you to speak His words to edify others rather than words made up by man?


my forum name has nothing to do with Micah of the OT.
These are his words, "While they were eating, Jesus took a loaf of bread, and after blessing it he broke it, gave it to the disciples, and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” Then he took a cup, and after giving thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you; for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
 
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