If X = the mother and Y = the unborn child:

[BMS]

That's correct. How many choose to exercise that right,

How would that affect the point you have just acknowledged? I dont see your point here.

or the circumstances in which they do so, are not my concern. You presumably believe in free speech.

You equate killing with free speech then?

 

[BMS]

Because the pregnant person has rights and needs to be cared for. The NHS also legally performs abortions. You did know that didn't you?

The woman is pregnant with the offspring. When the NHS is caring for the woman's pregnancy, they are also caring for the offspring. when they arent promoting lgbtqi stuff.

 

[Temujin]

WRONG! I would indeed concern myself with it. Are you implying that you're such a savage that you would NOT?

Well surprise. The same answer applies to me regarding the "question" you posed for me.

EXACTLY! You don't care if unborn people are butchered?

There are no unborn people.

Easy. Because killing women and children in hospitals is just as bad as as killing babies in wombs.

I disagree.

Because it IS slaughter. Are you actually going to pretend that you don't know what happens to the unborn during an abortion? Would you like me to send you some links to educate you?

I know exactly, thank you. And not even the very rare, late abortions count as slaughter.

 

[Temujin]

A labour party politician has already said they cant define a woman because they arent a biologist. We dont want people that incompetent in government. If someone cant tell what a woman is without a biologist then how can someone tell what a dog is without a vet?

Very easily.

 

[BMS]

Notice how the woke ideology calls a refuses to call a woman a woman, but a person, and refuses to call the human being in the womb a person.
Such is the level of mental illness.

 

[BMS]

Very easily.

Very easy to define a woman and a dog. The squirming and tap dancing when it comes to woke trying to avoid defining a woman is a sign of mental weakness and fear

 

[BMS]

I know exactly, thank you. And not even the very rare, late abortions count as slaughter.

All pro-choice abortion counts as slaughter. In what way, (apart from the particular laws you like) can it not be?

 

[stiggy wiggy]

Well surprise. The same answer applies to me regarding the "question" you posed for me.

So you DO concern yourself with the slaughter of the unborn! And how do you manifest that concern? By supporting the right to do so?

There are no unborn people.

Asinine remark. Explain how being born makes a baby a person.

I know exactly, thank you.

Obviously you do not. Explain how dismembering an unborn baby is NOT slaughter.

 

[Temujin]

And what? They called it the baby whereas you call it the foetus. They call it precious whereas you deny it rights. etc.

Those who suffer spontaneous abortions are likely to feel differently to those who have elective ones.

Yes WOMEN do, so why arent they?

They are.

 

[Temujin]

What do you understand by God?

Have you read the Bible? He is one of the main characters.

 

[Temujin]

What do you mean by rights then?

Look up the UN Declaration of Human Rights. It's all there.

 

[Temujin]

How would that affect the point you have just acknowledged? I dont see your point here.
You equate killing with free speech then?

No. I equate people doing things I disapprove of, but which they have a right to do, with people saying things I disapprove of, that they have a right to say.

 

[Temujin]

Notice how the woke ideology calls a refuses to call a woman a woman, but a person, and refuses to call the human being in the womb a person.
Such is the level of mental illness.

Chuckle. I'm only doing it to wind you up. And because it preempt the irrelevant question, "What do you mean by a woman?" Ever the obsession with sex, even when the topic is abortion.

 

[Temujin]

Very easy to define a woman and a dog. The squirming and tap dancing when it comes to woke trying to avoid defining a woman is a sign of mental weakness and fear

When discussing abortion, it is exceptionally easy to define a woman. The person who is pregnant does perfectly well. When discussing transgender, which we are not doing here, other definitions may apply.

 

[Temujin]

All pro-choice abortion counts as slaughter. In what way, (apart from the particular laws you like) can it not be?

Because it isn't.

 

[Temujin]

So you DO concern yourself with the slaughter of the unborn! And how do you manifest that concern? By supporting the right to do so?

No. I would probably have concerned myself with the plight of slaves in 1850s America, had I been there. Which is completely irrelevant to my feelings on abortion.

If you want me to spell it out for you, since I am not, and never will be pregnant, my feeling towards the unborn largely mirrors the feelings of the pregnant person.

Asinine remark. Explain how being born makes a baby a person.

Asinine remark. Being born is what makes a baby a person.

Obviously you do not. Explain how dismembering an unborn baby is NOT slaughter.

Because it isn't a baby, because such late abortions, which incidentally are quite rare, are justified on medical grounds, the consequences of not doing the abortion being worse than the consequences of performing it.

 

[stiggy wiggy]

If you want me to spell it out for you, since I am not, and never will be pregnant, my feeling towards the unborn largely mirrors the feelings of the pregnant person.

And what ARE those "feelings?" Pregnant persons, aka mothers differ. I'm asking YOU. How does killing unborn children concern YOU? Or does it? Would slavery not concern you if you owned no slaves?

Asinine remark. Being born is what makes a baby a person.

How's that work? Does the severance from the umbilical cord automatically confer personhood? Snip. PRESTO! Instant person?

Because it isn't a baby,

And yet he or she is. Are you claiming you know more than obstetricians who refer to him to her as a baby? Where did you get your medical degree?

 

[Temujin]

And what ARE those "feelings?" Pregnant persons, aka mothers differ. I'm asking YOU. How does killing unborn children concern YOU? Or does it? Would slavery not concern you if you owned no slaves?

I think I have answered this already. Whether someone exercises their right to an abortion or not, does not concern me, nor should it concern you. Slavery is currently illegal. It is irrelevant to abortion.

How's that work? Does the severance from the umbilical cord automatically confer personhood? Snip. PRESTO! Instant person?

Being capable of living outside the womb is what makes a person. This is best demonstrated by living outside the womb, aka being born.

And yet he or she is. Are you claiming you know more than obstetricians who refer to him to her as a baby? Where did you get your medical degree?

Obstetricians also refer to the unborn as a foetus. Foetus is a more accurate term, since "baby" implies having been born. You don't change the nature of something by calling it a different name. Foetus, unborn child, embryo, (for the resident pedant) baby, whatever. The actual entity remains the same, a non-person with no rights.

 

[stiggy wiggy]

Slavery is currently illegal.

But it was once legal, as abortion is now. So you're saying if slavery were legal, you would not oppose it?

Being capable of living outside the womb is what makes a person.

Find me one person who defined person that way prior to 1971. Take your pick from 6,000 years of thinkers of all persuasions.

Obstetricians also refer to the unborn as a foetus.

ALSO? That's because unborn babies ARE fetuses. So you admit they are babies ALSO. So you support the right to kill babies. How do you live with yourself?

 

[Temujin]

But it was once legal, as abortion is now. So you're saying if slavery were legal, you would not oppose it?

I am not opposed to abortion, because I believe it to be morally wrong to ban it. I am opposed to slavery because I think it is morally right to ban it. The legal position happens to coincide with my personal moral views.

Find me one person who defined person that way prior to 1971. Take your pick from 6,000 years of thinkers of all persuasions.

It is the basis of British Common Law, and has been for at least 1000 years. A person is alive, and has taken at least one breath.

ALSO? That's because unborn babies ARE fetuses. So you admit they are babies ALSO. So you support the right to kill babies. How do you live with yourself?

You need to get a brake on those runaway goalposts. Are you deliberately misrepresenting me? How do you live with yourself.

Hint: try reading my post about labels. You forgot to reply to that section.