If X = the mother and Y = the unborn child:

BMS

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It's the accepted medical term. Since your high and mighty opinion and your degree in geology allows you to declare a great deal of medical science to be "nonsense" I expect nothing else from you.
The real point is that you knew what it is, just as I knew that you knew, but you still wasted everyone's time, polluting the thread with platitudes, to the point that no one is prepared to read it anymore. Thread after thread has been killed off by this kind of silliness from you. Point-scoring is not debate. Failed point-scoring is just ennui-inducing trivia.
So is woman an accepted medical term as well as a biological one, and so is miscarriage. But of course the word should be miscarriage because its something that happens naturally without a human intervention ripping the baby out as in abortion.
 

BMS

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I see. So if the unborn boy or girl is too weak to survive it should be OK to kill them. Survival of the fittest. And to lessen any guilt you might feel about such a monstrously immoral advocacy, you arbitrarily designate them as non-persons.



Woah!! I thought you said they weren't people. Did you change your mind? Surely you're not claiming some children are not people.




Definition: "the deliberate concealment of one's knowledge of a treasonable act or a felony.'

So now you're saying abortion should be a felony.

You're screwing up badly here. Or maybe you're just slowly learning.
They are people when woke ideology wants them to be but not when it doesnt. The question is, has Temujin realised the contradiction you have exposed.
 

Temujin

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So is woman an accepted medical term as well as a biological one, and so is miscarriage. But of course the word should be miscarriage because its something that happens naturally without a human intervention ripping the baby out as in abortion.
Abort means to stop prematurely. Aeroplane take offs may be aborted. Pregnancies that stop prematurely are aborted. The may be induced abortion, as a result of human interventions, or they may be spontaneous. It is bad enough that you twist science and medical matters. You don't have to twist the English language as well.
 

BMS

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Abort means to stop prematurely. Aeroplane take offs may be aborted. Pregnancies that stop prematurely are aborted. The may be induced abortion, as a result of human interventions, or they may be spontaneous. It is bad enough that you twist science and medical matters. You don't have to twist the English language as well.
No, abortion is the human intervention of the process. You twist the science and medical terms, and the English language.
 

Temujin

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No, abortion is the human intervention of the process. You twist the science and medical terms, and the English language.
Wrong. You are simply factually incorrect. What you say here is untrue. You are mistaken. Thirty seconds with a dictionary will help you, as would thirty seconds of conversation with anyone with medical training.
 

BMS

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Wrong. You are simply factually incorrect. What you say here is untrue. You are mistaken. Thirty seconds with a dictionary will help you, as would thirty seconds of conversation with anyone with medical training.
Dictionaries are getting rewritten to suit woke imaginations. Besides, since when have you recognised the dictionary definition where it doesnt suit you. There is a world of difference between a miscarriage which is spontaneous, and a planned abortion where there is human intervention. Using the word abortion with both is sick.
 

Temujin

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Dictionaries are getting rewritten to suit woke imaginations. Besides, since when have you recognised the dictionary definition where it doesnt suit you. There is a world of difference between a miscarriage which is spontaneous, and a planned abortion where there is human intervention. Using the word abortion with both is sick.
Of course there is a world of difference. Spontaneous abortion is much more frequent. They are both abortions however. What is your problem with using accurate and precise language? Does your argument, driven as it is by emotion and gut-think, rely totally on misleading people through imprecise and woolly language?
 

BMS

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Of course there is a world of difference. Spontaneous abortion is much more frequent. They are both abortions however. What is your problem with using accurate and precise language? Does your argument, driven as it is by emotion and gut-think, rely totally on misleading people through imprecise and woolly language?
So since there is a world of difference why do you object to the distinction by the two words miscarriage and abortion? Obviously we know why, because you want to spin abortion as not what it is. That woke, feelings based as opposed to evidence based.
No such thing as spontaneous abortion its a woke lie
 

Temujin

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So since there is a world of difference why do you object to the distinction by the two words miscarriage and abortion? Obviously we know why, because you want to spin abortion as not what it is. That woke, feelings based as opposed to evidence based.
No such thing as spontaneous abortion its a woke lie
I don't object to using miscarriage, though it is potentially ambiguous, as in a miscarriage of justice. You are the one objecting to my terminology, to the point of making false statements about it. As you continue to do. "There is no such thing as spontaneous abortion", is as stupid and false a statement as "there is no such thing as gender identity" or "There is no such thing as cancer" Given your statements here, it is clear that a "woke lie" is synonymous with truth. Specifically, truth that you personally don't agree with or cannot accept, but that the rest of the world copes with perfectly well.
 

BMS

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I don't object to using miscarriage, though it is potentially ambiguous, as in a miscarriage of justice. You are the one objecting to my terminology, to the point of making false statements about it. As you continue to do. "There is no such thing as spontaneous abortion", is as stupid and false a statement as "there is no such thing as gender identity" or "There is no such thing as cancer" Given your statements here, it is clear that a "woke lie" is synonymous with truth. Specifically, truth that you personally don't agree with or cannot accept, but that the rest of the world copes with perfectly well.
Miscarriage as opposed to abortion is not ambiguous except to people who get a miscarriage of an offspring mixed up with a miscarriage of justice where they dont realise abortion is a miscarriage of justice in moral terms.
I am the one objecting to your use of terms and I have explained why, its because a miscarriage is where the mother loses her offspring and an abortion is where another human intervenes to kill the offspring. The former is sad and the latter is violence.
Important to make the distinction because it exists whether you like it or not.
 

Temujin

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Miscarriage as opposed to abortion is not ambiguous except to people who get a miscarriage of an offspring mixed up with a miscarriage of justice where they dont realise abortion is a miscarriage of justice in moral terms.
I am the one objecting to your use of terms and I have explained why, its because a miscarriage is where the mother loses her offspring and an abortion is where another human intervenes to kill the offspring. The former is sad and the latter is violence.
Important to make the distinction because it exists whether you like it or not.
There is no difference, physical, moral or spiritual, between a miscarriage and a spontaneous abortion.
 

BMS

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There is no difference, physical, moral or spiritual, between a miscarriage and a spontaneous abortion.
What about the difference where a woman miscarries without any other human intervention and an abortion which is performed on the woman by another person. That is the same is it?
 

Temujin

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What about the difference where a woman miscarries without any other human intervention and an abortion which is performed on the woman by another person. That is the same is it?
One is spontaneous, the other is induced. The end result is the same. The latter is far less common, and far less traumatic.
 

BMS

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One is spontaneous, the other is induced. The end result is the same. The latter is far less common, and far less traumatic.
So one is spontaneous, miscarriage and the other is human intervention. So one is a miscarriage and the other is abortion. Need to distinguish the reality or we accept woke imaginary language.
 

Temujin

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So one is spontaneous, miscarriage and the other is human intervention. So one is a miscarriage and the other is abortion. Need to distinguish the reality or we accept woke imaginary language.
No one is confused or outraged but you. We need to avoid ordering society based solely on your personal and peculiar needs.
 

BMS

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No one is confused or outraged but you. We need to avoid ordering society based solely on your personal and peculiar needs.
You are in a dreamworld, and we can see that everytime you make a claim without any supporting evidence or reasoning and we give you the evidence to show you are wrong
 

Temujin

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You are in a dreamworld, and we can see that everytime you make a claim without any supporting evidence or reasoning and we give you the evidence to show you are wrong
"We", being you and your imaginary friends, lol!
 
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