If You could Have Only 1 Wish . . .

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Stella1000 said:
It is the encounter with the Real Presence of Christ in the Sacraments. After Jesus death, Christians longed for Christs presence among them through more than just a 'theory' of His Holy Spirit. They wanted to go to Him. The Jews referred to Gods presence among them as Shekinah. A dwelling place for them to visit and worship hence the Ark of the Covenant became the Temple according to Solomons account.
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Yep we know you believe it is the real presence. If it was and you respected Jesus you would never allow paedophile priests, priests who rape nuns and have children for a start touch HIm. But you do and so we know it is not the real presence.
 
shnarkle said:
My wish would be that they take responsibility for an actual apology/defense for their faith instead of claiming without ANY evidence whatsoever, that the RCC has any God-given authority over anyone.

Beyond that pipe dream, it would be nice if they could see that their doctrines are demonically inspired.
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We have provided the evidence which RCs just blatantly ignore and NEVER provide evidence that support their beliefs. We find it a pipe dream that they could discuss things without their demonic doctrines.

Your leaders lie, the father of lies is...
 
Mysterium Fidei said:
There has been no greater persecutions than that of Catholics under the debauched Henry VIII or of Ireland under the Protestant English or in Calvin's Theocratic police state in Geneva.

But to live in a society like the Middle Ages, during the time in which the great cathedrals in Europe were built, and in which every aspect of life; art, literature, architecture, and learning, was centered on the Catholic Faith would be wonderful.

The time period of Charlemagne or King St. Lewis the IX of France was at the peak of the Ages of Faith, before the violent attack of the Protestant heretics upon the Catholic Church like savage barbarians upon some great civilized fortress.
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Revisionist history.
 
Mysterium Fidei said:
Do you understand that the Inquisitions only applied to Catholics, or those who claimed to be Catholic?
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It started with Christians and then quickly moved to others. Tell that to the Jews who were forced to convert and then killed straight away so they didn't return to Judaism. I cannot remember where I read this information but it was a reliable source. It was not just in Europe either. Jewish virtual library has a lot of detail on this topic.
 
romishpopishorganist said:
Jesus said nothing about persecutions, but I am not sure what persecutions have to do with anything.

As for the Inquisition, just what do you think the Inquisition was?

Again, should the RCC not care whether those who represent her, teach in her name and work in her name preach the Christian Truth? Should people who work and preach in the name of the RCC not be held accountable for what they teach?
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Obviously not we were told we had to believe in Limbo and now it is not even mentioned.
 
Mysterium Fidei said:
Where is the persecution of Catholics and the theft of Catholic properties in England under Henry VIII and subsequent monarchies found in the Bible? Or the persecution or Irish Catholics by Protestant England? Or any number of other persecutions of Catholics?

You all love to bring up the "Inquisition" or other so called abuses by the Catholic Church, but when the same charge is applied to you, it's "where is that found in the Bible"?
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Your history of persecutions and murder is so much worse. You don't even know anything about who suffered under the inquisition.
 
Arch Stanton said:
Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the RULE OVER YOU, and SUBMIT yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
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Show me where it says follow false teachers and paedophile priests?
 
balshan said:
I never had an encounter with Jesus for the many years I was in the RCC. But there was a lot of Mary encounters.
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And whose fault was that, Balshan?

I always love when former Catholics whine and moan about how they never read the Bible until they became Protestant--as if that is the fault of the RCC, or whine and moan about how they never knew Jesus--again--as though that was the fault of the RCC.

In the RCC, many people just "go through the motions" without prayerfully opening their hearts and minds to the mysteries unfolding. They take them for granted and participate in them--because that is how it has always been done.

When Catholics take their Faith for granted and do not open their hearts and minds to the mysteries of the Faith, when they fail to make the connection between an authentic encounter with Christ and the Sacraments, worship isn't going to be terribly fruitful.

I remember talking to a former Catholic---who taught me in Catholic high school. The person now belongs to a non-denominational sect--on the fundamentalist end of things. The person said "You know, I never read the Bible when I was a Catholic! Now I have read it." I said "If you never bothered to read the Bible as a Catholic, that isn't the fault of the RCC. That is your fault." Actually--the person then admitted that they could not blame the RCC for them not reading the Bible. That was on the person. I was at least glad to get that admission.
 
romishpopishorganist said:
And whose fault was that, Balshan?

I always love when former Catholics whine and moan about how they never read the Bible until they became Protestant--as if that is the fault of the RCC, or whine and moan about how they never knew Jesus--again--as though that was the fault of the RCC.

In the RCC, many people just "go through the motions" without prayerfully opening their hearts and minds to the mysteries unfolding. They take them for granted and participate in them--because that is how it has always been done.

When Catholics take their Faith for granted and do not open their hearts and minds to the mysteries of the Faith, when they fail to make the connection between an authentic encounter with Christ and the Sacraments, worship isn't going to be terribly fruitful.

I remember talking to a former Catholic---who taught me in Catholic high school. The person now belongs to a non-denominational sect--on the fundamentalist end of things. The person said "You know, I never read the Bible when I was a Catholic! Now I have read it." I said "If you never bothered to read the Bible as a Catholic, that isn't the fault of the RCC. That is your fault." Actually--the person then admitted that they could not blame the RCC for them not reading the Bible. That was on the person. I was at least glad to get that admission.
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The false teaching of the RCC was to blame. The works based salvation, the focus on Mary. Reading scripture is not a focus of the RCC for a lot of people.

I always love it when RCs whine and moan and bear false witness against non RCs. I have said the nuns told me to read the bible and pray. But they also told me not every thing in the bible is true. They taught me not to hate and I do not hate it is a very bad emotion. In fact occasionally in year 10 we actually pulled our bibles out of the desk and read them in the catechism classes. Mind you we had to cart it to school from year 7 onwards.

See I loved Jesus but did not know Him in your institution. I even as a very young child wanted to please Jesus. Because of the false teachings of the RCC about works based salvation, that was an impossible task. Yep many go through the motions because that is the emphasis of your institution. I was open, so you are just wasting your time with your insults and put downs and generalisations.
 
I'm in my 60's and still have my high school bible with it's home made ribbon tags. I suspect that a lot of ex Catholics didn't go to Catholic school or have in their advanced years, forgotten about their religious education.
 
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