If You could Have Only 1 Wish . . .
- Thread starter RayneBeau
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Oh more rubbish from you. I am in my 70s and I still have my RC bible from school. Most of us went to RC schools and it is amazing your memory is much better for the days of old than current events. Though most of the time mine is good in both areas.
RayneBeau
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The religious "education" the Roman Catholic Church teaches is that RCC schools should be supported by public (non-RC and RC) taxpayers and that the RCC priests should have the right to censor public-school textbooks. The people have enacted both state and federal laws to make direct contributions to RCC schools illegal, and nominally reject RCC censorship in public schools.
It's an odd bit of mental maneuvering that allows one to believe that someone would reject what they no longer even know. This is especially the case within a forum where observant, knowledgeable Catholics are constantly reminding those who reject Catholicism of exactly what the Catholic faith teaches.
Moreover, she fails to see that those ex-Catholics who are the most knowledgeable of the faith are never refuted. It is seldom that their arguments are even addressed.
For a Catholic who attended Catholic school and was given an excellent education, this is truly scandalous to those who taught them. This has been the case all the way back to their supposed first Pope, Peter who enjoined them to always be ready with a defense for their faith. Presenting the tenets of their faith is not a defense for the faith they present.
RayneBeau
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The fact that the RCC did NOT ever teach RCC school children to read the Bible is NOT 'on the person'. It is unequivocally the fault of none other than the adults that run and rule the Roman Catholic Church - it's just like you RomPopOrg and all the other ill-informed, totally brain-washed Roman Catholic supposedly adult persons to try to put the blame and "FAULT" on innocent little children instead of the duty of reading the Bible being placed squarely on the shoulders of that pompous religious organization that you blindly support. How very, very typical of you and all Roman Catholics like you who think with their rosary beads and scapulars dandling on their bodies, instead of with their God-given common sense which they were coerced into giving up when they turned their entire beings over to the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church. Although the hapless Roman Catholic American parent was unaware and has no choice in the matter, the RCC hierarchy in many American dioceses wrote into the law of the Roman Catholic Church a provision denying absolution to those Roman Catholic parents who send their children to a public school when a Roman Catholic school is available. This is the Roman Catholic moral law in the United States whose statutes are typical and are based squarely upon the instructions of the various Roman Catholic popes beginning with Pius IX:
"Where a Catholic parochial schools exists, parents ordinarily viloate the general Canon Law of the Church (Canon1374) if they send their children to public or non-Catholic schools. If they persist in this vilation, they sin gravely and cannot be absolved until they make proper adjustment with the Ordinary through the Pastor (Stature 117)."
The truth is that the Roman Catholic schools from Grade 1 through Grade 12, did little to absolutely nothing to teach the Bible to their classrooms of mere innocent children who were indoctrinated with Roman Catholicism, 6 hours a day, 5 days a week and another wasted hour on a Sunday morning at a Roman Catholic Mass.
How dare you blame the hideousness of the Roman Catholic Church on sweet and innocent little children.
romishpopishorganist
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You grew up in a generation where the Catholic Church was still reeling from the chaos of the Reformation. That is why Bible reading was discouraged. The RCC didn't want the chaos that was resulting in Protestantism as a result of the doctrine Bible only.
However, this all changed with Vatican II. Catholics are now encouraged to read the Bible and pray the Bible.
I do not blame little children for doing what they were told. I blame an adult who despite knowing that Catholics can and should read the Bible never bothered to do so.
I do not wear a scapular. I have a few Rosaries, but I only rarely pray them. I am also not one for devotions and novenas. They tend to be too---over-the-top and sappy---for lack of a better word--for my preferences. But for those who like them--fine. Whatever helps a person to pray...
Yes it was. This was the law at one time. What is your point? What is wrong with the Church wanting to defend her Faith? What is wrong with the Church not wanting bad influences on people?
Yeah--blah, blah, blah. Different time, different generation, different needs. I certainly didn't grow up knowing this side of the Church. When I went to Catholic school we all had to have Bible's and we were taught the Bible.
How dare I? How dare YOU!
My sister attended a RC school from 1-8th grade, I attended from 1-4th grade. We did not have bibles in the classrooms. You are incorrect.
I would disagree to some extent. Here all school children are supported no matter what school they go to public or private. However the RCC bullies the government in to not making changes that would make for a fairer system. The system here means that private schools often get more funds from government that public students. This is wrong.
If they take public funds they should have to meet government education standards. If you want a school free from government standards then don't take their money.
I mean I am all for all teachers whether religious eg priests, nuns or not being forced to mandatory report child abuse of all kinds.
I did not have a bible in primary level. At secondary level the bible was on the book lists and it was not used until year 10. That was my experience, it just took up room in the desk or locker until year 10 and rarely used then. However every year after year 1 we had various forms of the catechism and they were used all the time.
Oh the excuses for not using the bible. I did some casual teaching at an RC school, they did not use the bible but a form of the catechism. Is it different or do you just want to think it is.
In the second grade of the Catholic elementary school I attended, I was given a Jerusalem Bible and instructed to copy some sort of pledge or vow to honor, revere, etc. the book. The book itself immediately became more important than what was written within it.
The bible was used daily to provide proof texts in support of Catholic doctrine. As a child I distinctly remember being horrified when I was informed that what I was reading was a translation. I was immediately suspicious of the translation, and felt that reading the bible was a waste of time without knowing for sure that the translation was accurate.
By the time I was in my teens I saw how the doctrine was presented, and then texts were supplied as proof texts without ever really delving into the context at all. The translations added to the misdirection.
So the fact is that reading the bible in Catholic schools was actually quite common and an integral way in which to mislead students.
Interesting how the experiences were so different. I'm pretty sure the teachers had bibles, but I don't remember ever really diving into it. Maybe because each diocese/school sets their own curriculum? I'm not really sure how it works. I know that they do some bible study in the RC high schools, but not really sure about the lower grades. Of course we're not exactly spring chickens anymore so things could have changed since we were learning our readin', writin' and 'rithmatic.
We were all handed a Jerusalem bible to take home with us, but while we were in class we read from "The Good News bible" which was a bible that seemed geared towards children and was filled with these stick figure pictorial representations of the narratives.
Each year we were given a new religion book which inculcated us into the Catholic faith. The bibles were simply used as a reference for proof texts. The doctrine would be presented, then we were directed to the relevant passage in the bible to see where they got the doctrine. At least that was the claim.
When I went away to college, I didn't take any religion classes, but did have a language tutorial for a few years in which I translated Platonic dialogues, and the gospels. It was at that point in my education that I began to see that the rules of Greek grammar were in conflict with the doctrines of the Catholic church. No effort was ever made by the good Christian Brothers to reconcile these contradictory doctrines mainly because it wasn't a religion class.
The elementary and high school I attended were almost completely composed of nuns and priests. Today, I doubt there's more than one or two if there are any at all. Corporal punishment was commonplace, and they were very intent on making sure that every student would legitimately pass to the next grade.
I remember one kid in the first grade who didn't make it more than about a week before he just couldn't take it anymore. Another kid was held back after about a month in the second grade. I don't know how or why I wasn't held back. I was constantly struggling just to pass with a D.
I knew a few other kids who talked their parents into letting them transfer over to the public school in the fifth grade, and they said that it was like going back to the second grade. They never took a book home ever again, and breezed through public school with straight A's.
I used to see the kids from the public school walking home every day, and none of them ever had a single book. I always had a back pack full of books, and all of them went home just about every weekend.
pilgrim
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Did Jesus teach the Bible to the crowds? No. Paul pull out his Bible and read to the crowds?No. Does the Bible say "You must read the Bible to be saved"? No.
They taught the faith to the crowds. "
“Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.” Luke 11:28
The Scriptural model of learning the faith is to listen.
No they quoted scripture and read scripture. Jesus read Luke 4:17.
and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
No one says you must read a Bible to be saved. More RC false claims and twisting what others post. They taught the truth to the crowds, not false RCC doctrines. A bible holds the words of God even it does contain a table of contents which is not the word of God.
Deut 31:11
when all Israel comes to appear before the Lord your God at the place which He will choose, you shall read this law in front of all Israel in their hearing.
acts 8:28
and he was returning and sitting in his chariot, and was reading the prophet Isaiah.
Acts 13:15
After the reading of the Law and the Prophets the synagogue officials sent to them, saying, “Brethren, if you have any word of exhortation for the people, say it.”
Acts 15:21
For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath
1 Tim 4:13
For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is read in the synagogues every Sabbath
Rcs constantly prove they cannot read the simple words of scripture.
pilgrim
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All Old Testament. Why weren't they reading the New Testament? It didn't yet exist. So how did they spread the gospel? By proclaiming it orally. That is the biblical way to spread the gospel. And that is what the Church did for many centuries.
I was proving that your post 114 was wrong. You claim started with "Did Jesus teach the Bible to the crowds?" The verses I posted proved you claim wrong. Now you are changing your original post. There is no stopping RC's they make an obvious false claim, when they proven wrong, they then twist it to something else.
The message was spread both by the written word and orally. The NT was being lived and was written down only a few short years after Jesus' resurrection.
Your institution is not the church, it is the bad tree. It fails every scriptural test and it produces bad fruit.
And yet, this doesn't negate in any way the fact that the church herself is testifying to the fact that they need not burden converts to the faith with an exhaustive list of do's and don'ts because they can get up to speed each and every Sabbath in the synagogues.
"For Moses from ancient generations has in every city those who preach him, since he is READ in the synagogues every Sabbath"
Preach who??? Who is being READ in the synagogues every Sabbath? It is Christ who magnifies the law by the power of the holy spirit indwelling in the new creation.
bluedog1us
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Theory of His Holy Spirit? Be careful friend. Be very, very careful what you say about the Holy Spirit!
A new day
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Christianity and roman catholism will NEVER be compatible