I'm decreed to be born a slave of sin, oh boy, I have an excuse!

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Sethproton

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praise_yeshua said:
I asked you earlier about...

2Co 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2Co 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
2Co 5:3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
2Co 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
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What did you ask me? I do speak about this passage when discussing the new body. Verse one makes a distinction between the two bodies. In your translation, the flesh one is dissolved and the spiritual one is from the heavens

But what was your question?
 
Chalcedon

Chalcedon

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praise_yeshua said:
Job said that. He was wrong.

Job 42:3 Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.

1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
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And Job said after he is dead and his body decayed- yet in my flesh I will see the Lord.

Amen for truth over fiction .
 
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Sethproton

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praise_yeshua said:
How does this "spirit body".... "CLOTH" something if it is immaterial?

Also, notice the very word "body"....
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First thing. You are speaking of the spiritual realm as if it is the earthly realm.
They are different and have different qualities.
The Bible uses earthly ideas to help us understand spiritual realities.
But a body in the natural universe, will not have the same properties and qualities as a body in the spiritual realm
 
Chalcedon

Chalcedon

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Sethproton said:
First thing. You are speaking of the spiritual realm as if it is the earthly realm.
They are different and have different qualities.
The Bible uses earthly ideas to help us understand spiritual realities.
But a body in the natural universe, will not have the same properties and qualities as a body in the spiritual realm
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Where does the Bible ( not you) ever refer to a Body that is immaterial?
 
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Sethproton

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civic said:
Where does the Bible ( not you) ever refer to a Body that is immaterial?
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Some things are so obvious they do not need to be said. The spiritual realm is not the same as the physical realm. the spiritual realm is eternal, the physical is temporary. All things of the physical world will be destroyed, brought to nothing. Spirit cannot be destroyed, it is eternal,
It is obvious that in heaven, a body will be different from on earth. But scripture is clear, This current body will be destroyed and replaced.
Heaven is an immaterial place. All beings there must be suited to live in an immaterial world.
 
Chalcedon

Chalcedon

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Sethproton said:
Some things are so obvious they do not need to be said. The spiritual realm is not the same as the physical realm. the spiritual realm is eternal, the physical is temporary. All things of the physical world will be destroyed, brought to nothing. Spirit cannot be destroyed, it is eternal,
It is obvious that in heaven, a body will be different from on earth. But scripture is clear, This current body will be destroyed and replaced.
Heaven is an immaterial place. All beings there must be suited to live in an immaterial world.
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Again you avoided the question and deflected.

Where in the Bible does the word soma ( body ) ever mean immaterial?

I will give you a clue using the context of the Resurrection. Try 1 Cor 15 where it is used of many different types of material bodies . Stars , moon , planets, animals, fish , man, plants , trees etc !!!!

hope this helps !!!
 
ReverendRV

ReverendRV

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civic said:
Again you avoided the question and deflected.

Where in the Bible does the word soma ( body ) ever mean immaterial?

I will give you a clue using the context of the Resurrection. Try 1 Cor 15 where it is used of many different types of material bodies . Stars , moon , planets, animals, fish , man, plants , trees etc !!!!

hope this helps !!!
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A Star's body is a good example; over time it changes, but is still a Material body. According to the Bible, they differ in glory...
 
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TomFL

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Sethproton said:
Some things are so obvious they do not need to be said. The spiritual realm is not the same as the physical realm. the spiritual realm is eternal, the physical is temporary. All things of the physical world will be destroyed, brought to nothing. Spirit cannot be destroyed, it is eternal,
It is obvious that in heaven, a body will be different from on earth. But scripture is clear, This current body will be destroyed and replaced.
Heaven is an immaterial place. All beings there must be suited to live in an immaterial world.
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Scripture nowhere states the body will be destroyed and replaced

Scripture shows there is continuity between the body that was and the one that will be

You posit two separate bodies with no continuity
 
Chalcedon

Chalcedon

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TomFL said:
Scripture nowhere states the body will be destroyed and replaced

Scripture shows there is continuity between the body that was and the one that will be

You posit two separate bodies with no continuity
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Yes it’s just one of many things he has to make up so that he can promote his false christ who is not a real man. Everything in scripture must be twisted and denied regarding Jesus humanity. These include the following:

The Resurrection
The Incarnation
The gospel
Body
Man
Mediator
Son of man
The Ascension
His 2nd Coming
The new earth
The New Jerusalem
The Millennium

And numerous other doctrines as well. It has a trickle down effect into everything.
 
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Sethproton

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praise_yeshua said:
You have no Scriptural reason to reject what the Scriptures clearly say and yet here you are doing it?

Why not just abandon your preference. The only preference we should have is for the truth. You can't find truth rejecting the clear wording of Scripture.
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Can you be specific? Quote the verse word for word that you think I am rejecting.
 
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Sethproton

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TomFL said:
Scripture nowhere states the body will be destroyed and replaced

Scripture shows there is continuity between the body that was and the one that will be

You posit two separate bodies with no continuity
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You are right about the lack of continuity. The Bible does not claim there is continuity, in the verse he had quoted. It just says the first is dissolved and the second comes from heaven.
Do you want to manufacture continuity where it is not stated?
Why do you claim there is no verse stating the first is destroyed. And I repeat, another posted actually typed the verse in saying the first is dissolved and the second is reserved in Heaven. There may be some continuity, but it is not stated there
 
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