Immanuel - "God with us" & Trinitarian Blindness

Our Lord's God

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7 Now it came about in the days of Ahaz, the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin the king of Aram and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up to Jerusalem to wage war against it, but could not conquer it. 2 When it was reported to the house of David, saying, “The Arameans have camped in Ephraim,” his heart and the hearts of his people shook as the trees of the forest shake with the wind. 3 Then the Lord said to Isaiah, “Go out now to meet Ahaz, you and your son Shear-jashub, at the end of the conduit of the upper pool, on the highway to the fuller’s field, 4 and say to him, ‘Take care and be calm, have no fear and do not be fainthearted because of these two stubs of smoldering firebrands, on account of the fierce anger of Rezin and Aram and the son of Remaliah. 5 Because Aram, with Ephraim and the son of Remaliah, has planned evil against you, saying, 6 “Let us go up against Judah and terrorize it, and make for ourselves a breach in its walls and set up the son of Tabeel as king in the midst of it,” 7 thus says the Lord God: “It shall not stand nor shall it come to pass. 8 For the head of Aram is Damascus and the head of Damascus is Rezin (now within another 65 years Ephraim will be shattered, so that it is no longer a people), 9 and the head of Ephraim is Samaria and the head of Samaria is the son of Remaliah. If you will not believe, you surely shall not last.”’” 10 Then the Lord spoke again to Ahaz, saying, 11 “Ask a sign for yourself from the Lord your God; make it deep as Sheol or high as heaven.” 12 But Ahaz said, “I will not ask, nor will I test the Lord!” 13 Then he said, “Listen now, O house of David! Is it too slight a thing for you to try the patience of men, that you will try the patience of my God as well? 14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel. 15 He will eat curds and honey at the time He knows to refuse evil and choose good. 16 For before the boy will know to refuse evil and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread will be forsaken.

1. Why don't Trinitarians see that it says the birth of this child Immanuel will be a sign to King Ahaz who lived and died centuries before Jesus was born?

2. Why don't Trinitarians see that Isaiah would be a false prophet if this child is not born in the days of Ahaz as a sign to him?

3. The entire passage concerns the problem of two kings currently attacking Judah. Why don't Trinitarians see that it says Isaiah here prophesies that these two kings currently attacking Jerusalem will come to nought before this child Immanuel reaches adulthood?

4. Why don't Trinitarians see that if this child is not born as a sign these two kings would fail before he reached adult, Isaiah would be a false prophet?

5. Why don't Trinitarians see that Immanuel won't know the difference between good and evil? God Almighty doesn't know good from evil?

Why are Trinitarians so conveniently blind to the obvious?
 

ferengi

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1. Why don't Trinitarians see that it says the birth of this child Immanuel will be a sign to King Ahaz who lived and died centuries before Jesus was born?

2. Why don't Trinitarians see that Isaiah would be a false prophet if this child is not born in the days of Ahaz as a sign to him?

3. The entire passage concerns the problem of two kings currently attacking Judah. Why don't Trinitarians see that it says Isaiah here prophesies that these two kings currently attacking Jerusalem will come to nought before this child Immanuel reaches adulthood?

4. Why don't Trinitarians see that if this child is not born as a sign these two kings would fail before he reached adult, Isaiah would be a false prophet?

5. Why don't Trinitarians see that Immanuel won't know the difference between good and evil? God Almighty doesn't know good from evil?

Why are Trinitarians so conveniently blind to the obvious?
Loaded questions - prove your claims
 

ferengi

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Why are Trinitarians so conveniently blind to the obvious?
Better question for you - Matt 1 - 22 So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: 23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”
Why do you call Matthew a liar? Why do you call God a liar? Why do you call Paul a liar?

2 Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God,​

 

johnny guitar

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7 Now it came about in the days of Ahaz, the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin the king of Aram and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up to Jerusalem to wage war against it, but could not conquer it. 2 When it was reported to the house of David, saying, “The Arameans have camped in Ephraim,” his heart and the hearts of his people shook as the trees of the forest shake with the wind. 3 Then the Lord said to Isaiah, “Go out now to meet Ahaz, you and your son Shear-jashub, at the end of the conduit of the upper pool, on the highway to the fuller’s field, 4 and say to him, ‘Take care and be calm, have no fear and do not be fainthearted because of these two stubs of smoldering firebrands, on account of the fierce anger of Rezin and Aram and the son of Remaliah. 5 Because Aram, with Ephraim and the son of Remaliah, has planned evil against you, saying, 6 “Let us go up against Judah and terrorize it, and make for ourselves a breach in its walls and set up the son of Tabeel as king in the midst of it,” 7 thus says the Lord God: “It shall not stand nor shall it come to pass. 8 For the head of Aram is Damascus and the head of Damascus is Rezin (now within another 65 years Ephraim will be shattered, so that it is no longer a people), 9 and the head of Ephraim is Samaria and the head of Samaria is the son of Remaliah. If you will not believe, you surely shall not last.”’” 10 Then the Lord spoke again to Ahaz, saying, 11 “Ask a sign for yourself from the Lord your God; make it deep as Sheol or high as heaven.” 12 But Ahaz said, “I will not ask, nor will I test the Lord!” 13 Then he said, “Listen now, O house of David! Is it too slight a thing for you to try the patience of men, that you will try the patience of my God as well? 14 Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel. 15 He will eat curds and honey at the time He knows to refuse evil and choose good. 16 For before the boy will know to refuse evil and choose good, the land whose two kings you dread will be forsaken.

1. Why don't Trinitarians see that it says the birth of this child Immanuel will be a sign to King Ahaz who lived and died centuries before Jesus was born?

2. Why don't Trinitarians see that Isaiah would be a false prophet if this child is not born in the days of Ahaz as a sign to him?

3. The entire passage concerns the problem of two kings currently attacking Judah. Why don't Trinitarians see that it says Isaiah here prophesies that these two kings currently attacking Jerusalem will come to nought before this child Immanuel reaches adulthood?

4. Why don't Trinitarians see that if this child is not born as a sign these two kings would fail before he reached adult, Isaiah would be a false prophet?

5. Why don't Trinitarians see that Immanuel won't know the difference between good and evil? God Almighty doesn't know good from evil?

Why are Trinitarians so conveniently blind to the obvious?
The sign was given to the house of Israel, NOT to one man ONLY.
 
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