Nondenom40
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Paul specifically refers to the gospel which Peter had corrupted. That's teaching.
In Roman Catholic History, Did That "Church" Ever Feel Threatened?
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romishpopishorganist
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No, that is being a bad example---or sinning if you will.
Paul was not being a bad example at all. He refused to stay silent when something was wrong, he exposed it. He did what scripture says we are to do. Your institution is a very bad example and sins, it has brought Jesus' name into contempt and that is disgusting.
leonard03782
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YES; it is.
REVELATION 21:10And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
leonard03782
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You have to be more specific.
Scripture clearly shows that Peter is one of the 12.
leonard03782
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Did I quote you accurately? It sure looks and reads like you said that New Jerusalem is the church. It is not.
leonard03782
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That is correct. The pope is no longer a member of the "college" of cardinals. The structure of the rcc does not match the biblical structure of the 12.
Bob Carabbio
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OF COURSE!!! why would it have had it's own military system otherwise.
Right NOW it's in a REAL MESS with a non-catholic as its "Pope thing", and starting to fragment into factions.
Nondenom40
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No, Paul flat out said he wasn't straight with the gospel. He corrupted it. And that is teaching. But i know the desire to water down anything that appears to shine a negative light on catholicism.
Atemi
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That is correct.
The Holy Spirit recorded the fact that Peter was forcing Gentile believers to live like Jews.
That is doctrine.
So when the lying Catholic Masters tell us they cannot possibly teach false doctrine, when even Peter himself and the Apostles were not immune, we know their scam is manifest.
At every turn, Roman Catholics are refuted by the Word of God.
pilgrim
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romishpopishorganist
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Oh? So Peter formally taught everyone that circumcision is necessary for Gentile converts did he?
I am not watering down anything. Infallibility applies to TEACHING, not EXAMPLE. There is a difference.
You confuse "infallibility" with "impeccability." Peter was not impeccable, he was infallible.
romishpopishorganist
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Again, I quoted revelation to show that the word "foundation" is not solely applied to Jesus.
Will you please stop playing semantics?
Nondenom40
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I know you have to be anachronistic and apply your late arriving 'tools' of interpretation here. But that doesn't apply. You went from 'its hypocrisy' to 'well he didn't 'formally' teach it right...wink wink.
Who said anything about infallibility? Thats a Vat 1 monumentally absurd teaching. Oh sorry, thats you being anachronistic again.
I'm not confusing anything. And that is an out loud laughable comment to make. Peter, infallible? Jesus called him satan over NOT wanting Jesus to go to the cross. Is that doctrine or behavior? Peter blew it at Antioch over the gospel.
Gal 2:14 But when I saw that their conduct was not in step with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas before them all, “If you, though a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you force the Gentiles to live like Jews?”
What is the gospel again?
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Oh right, just that. And Peter got it wrong.
leonard03782
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This is a event that will not happen UNTIL after Jesus' second coming.
leonard03782
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I am not using semantics. You said that new Jerusalem is the church. It is not PERIOD.
encyclopedia.com states
it is a Jewish expression referring the death
"The phrase "the gates of Hades–Sheol" occurs in the Old Testament at Is 38.10 and Wis 16.13, where it is a figurative expression for death. This is likewise its meaning in the apocrypha (Psalms of Solomon 16.2; 3 Mc5.51)
and in classical Greek literature (Homer, Iliad 5.646; 9.312; Odyssey 14.156; Aeschylus, Agamemnon 1290; Euripides, Hippolytus, 56)
Gates of Hell | Encyclopedia.com
GATES OF HELL This phrase occurs in the New Testament only at Mt 16.18: "… upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." The Greek word here rendered "hell" is
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From Gotquestions
"It is clear that Jesus was declaring that death has no power to hold God’s people captive. Its gates are not strong enough to overpower and keep imprisoned the church of God."
? From US Conference of Catholics Bishops states?
"The gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it: the netherworld (Greek Hadēs, the abode of the dead) is conceived of as a walled city whose gates will not close in upon the church of Jesus, i.e., it will not be overcome by the power of death."
Matthew, CHAPTER 16
a divine institution will never die.
Atemi
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Christ was not talking about an "institution." He was talking about actual people....ya know, those people guaranteed eternal life and thus the gates of Hades will not prevail over them.
No devout Catholic can claim to be such a person. Sad.
RCs prefer to think of it being an institution rather than people that way, they can just ignore the evil fruit of their leaders throughout the century. It allows them to justify following their pope and his mates rather than God.