In Roman Catholic History, Did That "Church" Ever Feel Threatened?

ramcam2

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Christ was not talking about an "institution." He was talking about actual people....ya know, those people guaranteed eternal life and thus the gates of Hades will not prevail over them.

No devout Catholic can claim to be such a person. Sad.
the church is the institution made up of jesus as the head and the members as his body.
one cannot separate the head from the body.
 

Atemi

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Christ was not talking about an "institution." He was talking about actual people....ya know, those people guaranteed eternal life and thus the gates of Hades will not prevail over them.

No devout Catholic can claim to be such a person. Sad.
the church is the institution made up of jesus as the head and the members as his body.
one cannot separate the head from the body.

And because all those IN CHRIST cannot be separated from Him....they are all guaranteed eternal life because they are already seated with Him at the right hand of the Father.

No Catholic can say they are in the Body of Christ and thus guaranteed eternal life....thus proving your sect is not the Body of Christ because the gates of Hades will prevail over many, many Catholics.
 

ramcam2

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And because all those IN CHRIST cannot be separated from Him....they are all guaranteed eternal life because they are already seated with Him at the right hand of the Father.

No Catholic can say they are in the Body of Christ and thus guaranteed eternal life....thus proving your sect is not the Body of Christ because the gates of Hades will prevail over many, many Catholics.
i am not referring to individual catholics but to the body/bride of christ, the church.
 

ramcam2

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Pssst....it is impossible for anyone in the Body of Christ to be condemned.

Many, many Catholics will be condemned.

Your sect, as proven, is not the Body of Christ.
easy to say but history is not on your side
unless, you revised it.
 

balshan

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Translation: Anybody who didn't walk in mindless lockstep with all the fantasies, Pagan teachings and phony Traditions of Roman Catholicism.

Simple as that. THANK GOD Rome doesn't have an "Enforcement system"/Thought police any more..
But how they would love it to return.
 

romishpopishorganist

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Translation: Anybody who didn't walk in mindless lockstep with all the fantasies, Pagan teachings and phony Traditions of Roman Catholicism.

Simple as that. THANK GOD Rome doesn't have an "Enforcement system"/Thought police any more..
Sir, in your church, if I teach that Sola Scriptura is a lie from the pit of Hell, if I teach that Sola Fide is a lie, is the leadership just going to stand by and let me do that? Are they going to do nothing to silence me?
 

Bob Carabbio

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Sir, in your church, if I teach that Sola Scriptura is a lie from the pit of Hell, if I teach that Sola Fide is a lie, is the leadership just going to stand by and let me do that? Are they going to do nothing to silence me?
Chuckle!!! And you think that you could simply walk into an existing church, and be permitted to teach without any "Vetting" from the pastoral staff??? HOW RIDICULOUS do you want this discussion to get??
 

romishpopishorganist

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Chuckle!!! And you think that you could simply walk into an existing church, and be permitted to teach without any "Vetting" from the pastoral staff??? HOW RIDICULOUS do you want this discussion to get??
Sigh.....another Protestant who misses the point. I know this should not surprise me, but yet it does.

Suppose, sir, that I WAS vetted by Trustee Joe, Elder Jane, whoever and whatever body in the church is considered the leadership body at the church level and at the sect level.

So here I am----Pastor Bob of the First Church of when the Bible speaks, we speak, and when the Bible is silent, we are silent. Suppose after 5 years I start preaching that my study of the Bible has lead me to conclude that the claims of "Rome" regarding Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide have merit. Suppose I start leading devotions to Mary, suppose I bring in statues, etc.

How long you think the leadership is going to let me be pastor in such a case? You don't think they will shut that down in a heartbeat? The leadership is going to let me get away with that in the name of freedom of thought, etc? There is absolutely no ecclesial body in the Church that is going to charge me with heresy and demand that I recant or face consequences?

The TACTICS "Rome" used to suppress heresy in the past may be dubious. But the idea that the Church of God has NO duty to attempt to suppress error and untruth? The Church has every duty to do so and every duty to ensure that God's Word is not allowed to be sullied with error. So, sir, how RIDICULOUS are YOU?
 
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balshan

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Sigh.....another Protestant who misses the point. I know this should not surprise me, but yet it does.

Suppose, sir, that I WAS vetted by Trustee Joe, Elder Jane, whoever and whatever body in the church is considered the leadership body at the church level and at the sect level.

So here I am----Pastor Bob of the First Church of when the Bible speaks, we speak, and when the Bible is silent, we are silent. Suppose after 5 years I start preaching that my study of the Bible has lead me to conclude that the claims of "Rome" regarding Sola Scriptura and Sola Fide have merit. Suppose I start leading devotions to Mary, suppose I bring in statues, etc.

How long you think the leadership is going to let me be pastor in such a case? You don't think they will shut that down in a heartbeat? The leadership is going to let me get away with that in the name of freedom of thought, etc? There is absolutely no ecclesial body in the Church that is going to charge me with heresy and demand that I recant or face consequences?

The TACTICS "Rome" used to suppress heresy in the past may be dubious. But the idea that the Church of God has NO duty to attempt to suppress error and untruth? The Church has every duty to do so and every duty to ensure that God's Word is not allowed to be sullied with error. So, sir, how RIDICULOUS are YOU?
Another RC who is condensing. Bob got your point and he was clearly showing that it was a joke and need not be taken seriously.

Oh give us all a break you have a pope that blesses a pagan idol etc. He is not suppressing heresy. So sir, how ridiculous are your claims.
 

Bob Carabbio

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Sigh.....another Protestant who misses the point. I know this should not surprise me, but yet it does.
When you ask the question with clarity, it's easier to answer.
The TACTICS "Rome" used to suppress heresy in the past may be dubious.
The "understatement" of the century!!! Definity NOT the way the "Body of Christ" would handle such things - demonstrating the total LIE and FRAUD involved in claiming to be the "One TRUE Church", or "The Church that Jesus Founded". JUST LOOK at your own history!!!! We have.
But the idea that the Church of God has NO duty to attempt to suppress error and untruth? The Church has every duty to do so and every duty to ensure that God's Word is not allowed to be sullied with error.
And since that's not the case (unless the denominational management of the church is the SOURCE of the heresy as in Rome's case) more detailed response is possible:

In the Assemblies of God Denomination, there's a national unit called the "Presbytery" that is the "enforcement branch" of the Denomination.

There are many "Regional Districts" in the Denomination, and each one has a "District Presbytery", normally a senior minister(s) with long congregational experience (Chuckle!! Ours is an Ex-Marine with an obvious military bearing).

The Presbytery deals with financial fraud, Pastoral malfeasance, Pastoral changes, SERIOUS Congregational issues, and adherence to the OFFICIAL DOCTRINES, and corporate ground rules of the Denomination (the AG equivalent of the Roman Catholic "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith").

The action(s) taken depend on the nature of the offence/issue. The denominational credentials of the individual(s) involved can be lifted.

The individual church itself may be denied the right to claim Assembly of God affiliation, or if financially impotent, may lose it's "Sovereignty, and become a "District affiliate" wherein the District Council "Takes over", dissolves the governing board of the individual church, and brings in a "Supply minister" to run the church until such times as it heals sufficiently, and becomes self supporting.

THEN the church can re-apply for sovereignty as an independent body authorized to claim affiliation with the AG Denomination.

OR

Assuming that there are no financial entanglements (Outstanding loans/Mortgages from the denomination, etc.) then with the approval of the congregation to REJECT the theological package of the AG, the individual church may just be "Cut loose" to do whatever they please INDEPENTENTLY of the AG Denominational system, and prohibited from displaying the AG logo, or claiming any relationship with The AG denomination on the facility.

NEW churches in the AG typically start out as "District affiliates, which are financially supported by the Denomination for up to 2 years, and are expected to achieve "Sovereigty"/ financial independance within that period, or be dissolved as "unviable".

Typically the Minister who launches a church, and brings it to "Sovereignty", will not be the Minister who will continue to MAINTAIN the church along with his church Deacon Board. Different Ministers have different callings / areas of expertise.

That gives you an idea of how the Assemblies of God would deal with your "heretic".
 
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ramcam2

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I did not mention OSAS at all. Again, this is what I posted:

Pssst....it is impossible for anyone in the Body of Christ to be condemned.

Many, many Catholics will be condemned.


What did I say that is incorrect?
if you are imlying that your religious organization is the body/bride of Christ.
 
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