In Roman Catholic History, Did That "Church" Ever Feel Threatened?

[balshan]

Like those of us that believed in:
1)faith alone through grace alone to the glory of GOD alone?
2)that the crackers were not truley and substatially the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus Christ?
3)that the pope was not head of the church?

What about the Jewish pogroms in Spain?

It is evil that does evil - like murder, orgies, harm the flock, pogroms, inquistions, lies, cheats, sexually abuses children etc.

 

[Atemi]

What they also mean by "secure in their Faith" is that they believe their sect leaders cannot possibly be wrong.

We don't believe our leaders can never be wrong.

Sigh. What a silly act, romish.

It is Catholic teaching that your Masters (your Magisterium) cannot possibly teach false doctrine because God makes sure they are not free to do so.

Do you live under a rock?

Says the dude pushing deceit.

Catholicism serves him. All lies do.

No, Catholicism does not serve Satan at all.

He has you Catholics on your knees worshiping inanimate objects for crying out loud! LOL.

And very much alive in Catholic society. Marxist ideology IS your "social doctrine."

Catholics are on the forefront of the radical secularization of society and pushing radical Marxist ideas.

No, MARXISTS and LEFTISTS MASCURADING as Catholics are on the forefront of this.

Totally at home in your sect. They are flourishing there, as your Masters gave them a nice base to operate from. Your priests and bishops are active participants in it all.

I talk to Catholics all the time, and they tend to be pro baby killing, pro illegal immigration, pro socialism, pro LGBTQ++++++, pro massive government control, anti bill of rights, and insist "good" people are saved whether they believe in Jesus or not, etc...

And you think----radical leftists masquerading as Catholics----are good examples and representatives of Catholicism, do you?

They are Catholics.

They follow their priests and bishops which lead them into this kind of warped thinking.

They learned this from your sect. They will be loyal leftists.

They learned no such thing from my sect!

They sure did. They admit to me they did. They are growing and flourishing and spreading your "social gospel" all throughout.

Catholics, by and large, are NOT doing that. Catholics are now leftist and anti Gospel. Congrats!

No, radical, extremist leftists masquerading as Catholics are anti-Gospel.

Even your average Catholic is anti Gospel.

They still think you are saved by doing good works....like in your "social gospel."

Yeah. This blood lust is why so many Catholics have argued with me that that is why their sect "stamped" so many others out by burning them alive. If you were alive then, you would have participated in it.

Yeah, I probably would have.

We know.

Devout Catholics all did.

 

[romishpopishorganist]

Like those of us that believed in:
1)faith alone through grace alone to the glory of GOD alone?
2)that the crackers were not truley and substatially the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus Christ?
3)that the pope was not head of the church?

Yeah--heretics. You got it!

What about the Jewish pogroms in Spain?

What about them? Jewish people aren't heretics. In order to be a heretic, you have to embrace the Christian Faith, then teach untruth after being corrected.

 

[leonard03782]

Like those of us that believed in:
1)faith alone through grace alone to the glory of GOD alone?
2)that the crackers were not truley and substatially the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus Christ?
3)that the pope was not head of the church?

romishpopishorganist said:
Yeah--heretics. You got it!

I would rather be tried and found guilty of heresy before man than in front of Jesus at the Great White Throne.

 

[romishpopishorganist]

romishpopishorganist said:
Yeah--heretics. You got it!

I would rather be tried and found guilty of heresy before man than in front of Jesus at the Great White Throne.

Yeah--so would I.

 

[PeanutGallery]

Yeah--so would I.

Would you be judged by God's inspired written Scripture or RCC's uninspired unwritten Tradition?

 

[1Thess521]

Our churches today are packed with ex-Roman Catholics who have left the spiritual bankruptcy and dead ritualism of RCism.

Their hero, JPII, said Christ followers are “rapacious wolves...causing division and discord in our communities.”

Oh....they are threatened!

The U.S. Religious Landscape Survey by the Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion & Public Life has put hard numbers on the anecdotal evidence: One out of every 10 Americans is an ex-Catholic. If they were a separate denomination, they would be the third-largest denomination in the United States, after Catholics and Baptists.

 

[romishpopishorganist]

Would you be judged by God's inspired written Scripture or RCC's uninspired unwritten Tradition?

As the inspired written Scripture and the "uninspired" Tradition hand on one and the same Gospel, why should this be a false dichotomy?

I do not see this as a choice between two mutually opposed entities, but rather two entities that hand on one and the same Truth.

As such, I will be judge by BOTH.

 

[Mik]

Ahhhh...The rc denomination...the blind leading the blind.
Pray for them.

 

[PeanutGallery]

As the inspired written Scripture and the "uninspired" Tradition hand on one and the same Gospel, why should this be a false dichotomy?

I do not see this as a choice between two mutually opposed entities, but rather two entities that hand on one and the same Truth.

As such, I will be judge by BOTH.

Since Scripture makes no mention of the other 'sinless mediator and advocate', which of the two 'sinless mediators and advocates' will judge you according to RCC's uninspired unwritten Tradition?

 

[romishpopishorganist]

Since Scripture makes no mention of the other 'sinless mediator and advocate', which of the two 'sinless mediators and advocates' will judge you according to RCC's uninspired unwritten Tradition?

You know nothing of Catholic teaching, do you? All you know is what some fundamentalist caricatured our teaching to be.

It has always been Catholic teaching and will always be Catholic teaching that Christ alone is the judge. The power of judgement does not rest with Mary. This is why she is said in a hyperbolic way to be more merciful than God. That is a hyperbolic, poetic way of stating that the power of judgment rests with God alone.

The answer to your question, then, is I will be judged by one sinless mediator--Christ.

 

[PeanutGallery]

You know nothing of Catholic teaching, do you? All you know is what some fundamentalist caricatured our teaching to be. ..

You know nothing about what I know of RCC teaching; you stated:

As the inspired written Scripture and the "uninspired" Tradition hand on one and the same Gospel, why should this be a false dichotomy?

I do not see this as a choice between two mutually opposed entities, but rather two entities that hand on one and the same Truth.

As such, I will be judge by BOTH.

Neither scripture, Jesus, nor his apostles spoke of RCC's uninspired unwritten Tradition at the judgment; thus, it must be someone else who will judge you by RCC's Tradition.

 

[balshan]

You know nothing of Catholic teaching, do you? All you know is what some fundamentalist caricatured our teaching to be.

It has always been Catholic teaching and will always be Catholic teaching that Christ alone is the judge. The power of judgement does not rest with Mary. This is why she is said in a hyperbolic way to be more merciful than God. That is a hyperbolic, poetic way of stating that the power of judgment rests with God alone.

The answer to your question, then, is I will be judged by one sinless mediator--Christ.

No the poster understands RC teaching very well. You have not proved these so called caricatures at all. You have confirmed that your institution teaches false doctrines. RCs make caricatures of other denominations.

You do have a co mediatrix and co advocate and some even go for the co redeemer. These are not scriptural but that does stop RCs going for the another one. Just in case scripture is wrong.

969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation . . . . Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."

 

[romishpopishorganist]

You know nothing about what I know of RCC teaching; you stated:

Neither scripture, Jesus, nor his apostles spoke of RCC's uninspired unwritten Tradition at the judgment; thus, it must be someone else who will judge you by RCC's Tradition.

Yeah they did--like, you know--when Paul said "Stand fast and hold to the Tradition." (Second Thessalonians 2:15)

The point is that they DID reference "uninspired" Tradition.

 

[PeanutGallery]

Yeah they did--like, you know--when Paul said "Stand fast and hold to the Tradition." (Second Thessalonians 2:15)

'traditions' not RCC Sacred Tradition

(DRB) 2Thess 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast: and hold the traditions, which you have learned, whether by word or by our epistle.

The point is that they DID reference "uninspired" Tradition.

Nope; you're begging the question. You have yet to prove that the traditions taught by apostles were uninspired RCC Sacred Traditions not taught in the epistle, as if they were different teachings..

 

[balshan]

Yeah they did--like, you know--when Paul said "Stand fast and hold to the Tradition." (Second Thessalonians 2:15)

The point is that they DID reference "uninspired" Tradition.

He wasn't talking about the traditions of the RCC. He would spit the false traditions of the RCC out. We also know what Paul said about those who call themselves brothers and sisters who are sinners. 1 Cor 5:11. Most RCs are hypocritical they only quote Paul if they think they can cover up their false teachings and ignore is clear instructions on other things.

1 Cor 5:11

11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[a] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

This sums up how Paul would feel about the RC teachers, who do not even meet his requirements for leaders.

1 Tim 1:3+

3 Timothy, stay there in Ephesus. That is what I told you to do when I went into Macedonia. I want you to command certain people not to teach things that aren’t true. 4 And command them not to spend their time on stories that are made up. They must not waste time on family histories that never end. These things only lead to fights about ideas. They don’t help God’s work move forward. His work is done by faith. 5 Love is the purpose of my command. Love comes from a pure heart. It comes from a good sense of what is right and wrong. It comes from faith that is honest and true.

RC leaders teach things that aren't true, their stories/teachings are made up, they don't help God's work move forward, they don't show love when they harm the sheep, their faith is not honest and true. If it was they would expose sin, not hide it, they would protect the sheep and

 

[Atemi]

This is why she is said in a hyperbolic way to be more merciful than God. That is a hyperbolic, poetic way of stating that the power of judgment rests with God alone.

I love when Catholics call their lies "hyperbole."

Actually, it is quite simple to claim judgment rests with God alone without adding the lie that Mary is more merciful.

What a horrible blasphemy you defend.

 

[Atemi]

Yeah they did--like, you know--when Paul said "Stand fast and hold to the Tradition." (Second Thessalonians 2:15)

Romish, we are so tired of Catholic deceptions.

Please tell us which translation of the bible you are quoting above.

 

[ramcam2]

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Today does the RCC feel threatened by the growth of "believers" in the unaltered gospel of Jesus Christ, and leave the RCC? Wasn't there a time when the RCC imprisoned those who left the Roman Catholic Church/ "faith", and embraced the pure gospel of Jesus Christ? Would the apostles have done such?

i have faith in the promise of jesus christ.
- guidance of the holy spirit
- the gates of hell will not prevail
- will be with you till the end of time

 

[1Thess521]

- the gates of hell will not prevail

What are the "gates of hell"?
...will not prevail against whom?