In Roman Catholic History, Did That "Church" Ever Feel Threatened?

I love when Catholics call their lies "hyperbole."

Actually, it is quite simple to claim judgment rests with God alone without adding the lie that Mary is more merciful.

What a horrible blasphemy you defend.
What blasphemy? The idea that God alone is the judge?

You sound like MF. He hates that idea too.
 
'traditions' not RCC Sacred Tradition (DRB) 2Thess 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast: and hold the traditions, which you have learned, whether by word or by our epistle.
Whatever.

The POINT, which you are missing is that they are told to hold to the TRADITIONS. There, Paul refers them either to the TRADITIONS, or the letter. Bible onlyism refers people to the Scriptures ALONE.
Nope; you're begging the question.
Well now, you know your logical fallacies! Impressive! Question Begging! Yes, this is a logical fallacy whereby the conclusion is contained in the premises.
You have yet to prove that the traditions taught by apostles were uninspired RCC Sacred Traditions not taught in the epistle, as if they were different teachings..
See, this is classic Protestant fundamentalist tactic: when the Catholic answers the question, just move the goalposts.

Paul refers his people to the traditions---either written (Scripture) or oral (word of mouth.) BY DEFINTION, he cannot be a Bible only Christian.

Thus, fine. Paul was not referring to the Immaculate Conception, or the papacy, or Purgatory, or whatever. Paul was not in any way referencing Catholic traditions. Whatever. That doesn't help you. In other words--your sword cuts both ways. It might refute Catholicism, but it also refutes Protestantism--since they are Bible only Christians.

Maybe in such a case, Mormonism is true?
 
Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Acts 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
The heretics, especially Luther, fulfilled this prophecy.
 
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The POINT, which you are missing is that they are told to hold to the TRADITIONS. There, Paul refers them either to the TRADITIONS, or the letter.
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Paul refers his people to the traditions---either written (Scripture) or oral (word of mouth.)
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The POINT is that you have yet to prove that the 'traditions' taught by word were different than the 'traditions' taught in the epistles; thus making the oral traditions part of the RCC's Sacred Traditions.

2Thess 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

BY DEFINTION, he cannot be a Bible only Christian.
Embracing RCC's Sacred Tradition makes one a Catholic not a Christian.
 
Mt 13:29-30
do you think that is your permission slip ?

The orgy went awry when the rent boy keeled over from an overdose of erectile dysfunction pills. One of the priests called an ambulance, but when paramedics arrived, Fr. Zmarzły and another priest refused to open the door of the apartment, which is owned by the Catholic weekly.

As the situation became increasingly tense, paramedics called for the police to intervene. The emergency services found the male escort lying on the floor unconscious. He was taken to a hospital, where he later recovered and discharged himself.

In each of these cases, the only reaction of the Church authorities is to recommend prayer and to set up another commission.
 
No, should we disagree with Christ?
it is a good thing we don't
There are some among you who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin so that they ate food sacrificed to idols and committed sexual immorality.
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Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.
 
The POINT is that you have yet to prove that the 'traditions' taught by word were different than the 'traditions' taught in the epistles; thus making the oral traditions part of the RCC's Sacred Traditions.
1) Catholics do not claim the traditions taught by word were different from the traditions taught in the epistles.

2) Right now, it doesn't matter anyway. All I have to prove in order to disprove Sola Scriptura is that the apostles taught that there was another authority by which we norm the Faith. As Paul referred his people to the Oral Tradition, by definition, he was not a Bible only Christian. Remember--Sola Scriptura asserts that there is ONE infallible norm, not two.
2Thess 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Embracing RCC's Sacred Tradition makes one a Catholic not a Christian.
Fine. Embracing RCC's Sacred Tradition makes one a Catholic, not a Christian. That does NOTHING to address the point above.
 
is the Church (ekklesia) all believers or just Catholics?

What are the "gates of hell"??
Ultimately, the Church is comprised of all believers.

But the Church has visible attributes, as well as a defined hierarchy. As the Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church (is) the Catholic Church, the gates of Hell will not prevail over Catholicism.

Gates of hell is a metaphor for the powers of death and destruction, evil. It refers to four things---though could be more---this is not necessarily all inclusive:

1) The preaching of the Church. Satan is driven out of the hearts of believers, he does not prevail over the preaching of the Gospel. He is driven away. In this, the Church is on the offensive--attacking Satan and driving him out.

2) When Satan attempts to attack believers he cannot prevail over God in their hearts.

3) When Satan attacks the collective Faith of the Church through heresy and untruth, he cannot prevail. The Church is the pillar of Truth, thus, she cannot fail to preach that which is true, she cannot fail to uphold the truth.

4) The Church will survive until the end of time. This is why the Catholic Church continues to last, despite attacks, heresy, division, etc.

Note by the way---Protestant's seem to forget that Matthew 16:18 is only one of many verses used not only to prove the indefectibility and infallibility of the CHurch, but the papacy. If Matthew 16:18 were the one sole verse produces by Catholics then perhaps Protestants might have a point. But even there---I am only granting that for the sake of argument. I have never found the Protestant replies to Catholics about Matthew 16:18 convincing--for example the book "Upon This Slippery Rock" is decidedly unconvincing.
 
it is a good thing we don't
There are some among you who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who taught Balak to entice the Israelites to sin so that they ate food sacrificed to idols and committed sexual immorality.
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Consider how far you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.
The good news is that there will be no removing of Christ's Church, ministerial priesthood, or His laity.
 
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