Indicatives (Promises) and Imperatives (Commands)

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The Indicative and The Imperative A Reformation View of Sanctification​


BY MICHAEL S. HORTON​

©1996 Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals​

What do we mean when we say that we're "saved"? In Scripture, salvation concerns three realities: First, we have been saved. By his atoning death Christ secured our acceptance before God and when we placed our trust in Christ we were immediately justified and adopted. "There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus." But we are also being saved. At the same moment that the Holy Spirit creates faith by the preaching of the Gospel the believer is truly changed and his sanctification has already begun. Justification is a once-and-for-all declaration of right-standing because of an imputed righteousness; sanctification is a progressive growth in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ through an imparted righteousness. As living branches of the Savior's Vine, we immediately begin to bear the fruit of the Spirit, although others may be more aware of it than are we. Justification is instantaneous, objective and complete. Sanctification is progressive, subjective and partial. As the Heidelberg Catechism puts it, "For even the holiest of Christians make only a small beginning in obedience in this life. Nevertheless, they begin with serious purpose to conform not only to some, but to all the commandments of God." The Westminster Confessions adds, "Even our best works, as they are wrought by us, are defiled and mixed with so much weakness and imperfection that they cannot endure the severity of God's judgment." The question arises, then, why pursue good works at all? Why should we even be interested in sanctification?

From the biblical point of view, sanctification is not a matter of holiness as an end in itself. It would be selfish for us to focus our whole lives on our own growth and improvement, so the Scriptures constantly point us outside of ourselves, to love and serve God and our neighbor. So much of contemporary spirituality is individualistic, private, and self-centered: How can I be happy? How can I find victory? How can I reach the "higher life"? Instead, biblical piety is concerned with working out the implications of what God has already done in Christ. So, tonight, as our first in a series on sanctification and the work of the Holy Spirit in the life of the believer, we want to take a look at the framework that the Bible itself gives us for understanding this vital link between Christ's life for us and his life in us.

But first we have to get a lay of the land. Categories are essential in understanding Scripture. These are not categories that we simply impose on the text of Scripture, but categories that rise naturally out of Scripture. Our first category is the distinction between the indicative and the imperative in Scripture. Referring to moods in the Greek, the indicative is a declaration of what God has done and of who we are in Christ as a result. It defines us. For instance, if a neighbor going on vacation were to ask, "Is Fred a good person with whom to leave my pet Iguana?", and Fred's friend replied, "Fred is a veterinarian," that reply would be indicative of Fred's reliability. Similarly, when Paul asks, "Should we continue to sin that grace may abound?", his answer is, "Heaven forbid! How shall we who have died to sin live any longer in it." He goes on to ask, "Do you not know that you were baptized into Christ?" In other words, it is incongruous for a person who is baptized into Christ to go on living in sin so that grace may abound. Baptism into Christ defines the believer and has given him or her an entirely new identity. It is that identity that reorients behavior. That is to say, theology leads to ethics, doctrine shapes life. As G. C. Berkouwer has said, "Grace is the essence of theology and gratitude is the essence of ethics." Once we know who we are in Christ, the commands of Scripture begin to make sense.

That leads to the second category, the imperative. If the indicative tells us who we are already in Christ, the imperative instructs us in how we should therefore live out that new reality. If certain traits are expected of a veterinarian, so too there are certain effects of being in Christ. Throughout the New Testament epistles especially, we find doctrinal sections followed by ethical sections, divided by one simple conjunction: "therefore." For instance, in Romans six, after Paul unpacks the indicative--who we are already in Christ--he turns to the practical effects: "Therefore, do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life" (Ro. 6:12-13).

Too often, we confuse the indicative and imperative. One way of doing this is to refer to "steps to salvation," confusing the Law and the Gospel, as if faith were not sufficient for union with Christ and the reception of all his benefits, including the Holy Spirit. Another way of doing this is to reverse the order, as if one attained the status implied in the indicative by following the commands of the imperative mood. But the pattern of the New Testament is consistent: First the indicative, followed by the imperative. It is not only followed by Paul in his epistles. For instance, Peter first tells believers that they are living stones being built up into Christ's temple, chosen and holy because of their union with Christ (the indicative). Only then does he say, "Dear friends, I urge you, as aliens and strangers in the world, to abstain from sinful desires, which war against your soul" (1 Pet. 2:11). Those who reverse this order will be forever enrolled in programs and strategies for reaching "the victorious life" and the "filling of the Spirit," because they believe that the promise is held out on condition of fulfilling certain conditions or obeying certain commands, whether "surrendering," "yielding," "letting go and letting God," or any number of approaches. Paul's entire argument in Romans six rests on the fact that something has already happened. He does not say, "If you yield your body to righteousness, you will die to sin," but rather, "For we know that our old self was crucified with him" (v.6). He does not say, "Make sure that sin does not master you," as many believe that sin can master a so-called "carnal" Christian. Rather, he states, "For sin shall not be your master, because you are not under law, but under grace" (v.14).

The objective determines the subjective, the divine announcement of what has already been done for and to the believer in Christ dictates the Christian life. As Sinclair Ferguson observes, "The determining factor of my existence is no longer my past. It is Christ's past." [Five Views, p.57] But in many popular approaches, it is the other way around: Those who sufficiently yield, surrender and obey enter into the "higher life," whether that refers to sanctification or the gifts of the Holy Spirit. For Paul, such gifts are given immediately in Christ and worked out in the believer's life, while for many today as in every age, these gifts are the prize for the believer's success. Pelagianism is the ancient heresy that sees Christ chiefly in terms of a resource. Human beings are basically neutral, free to choose for themselves whether they will be saved. A scheme of works-righteousness, it makes the success of God's work to depend on whether we will "make use of" God's power, in much the same way as one might make use of an appliance. But God does not merely help us to save ourselves, rather he himself accomplished our redemption. As the prophet Isaiah recorded, "I looked, but there was no one to help, I was appalled that no one gave support; so my own arm worked salvation for me..." In fulfillment of this passage, Christ himself said, "For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified" (John 17:19). Christ is our righteousness, "holiness" and redemption (1Cor. 1:30). He himself lived a spotless life, and this is "true sanctification" for us. Let us live in this holiness, and do good works out of gratitude to God for such a great redemption.

Questions for Further Reflection:

1. How do we relate the indicative to the active obedience of Christ?
2. Before we talk about progressive sanctification, isn't there a sense in Scripture in which sanctification is also objective and instantaneous?
3. In Rom. chapter 6, Paul speaks of our "union with christ": What does this mean? Does it provide everything we need for life and godliness?
4. Jesus said he was the vine and we are the branches and that if we are united to him, we will bearing fruit. The indicative precedes the imperative: You are my branches precedes, "Go therefore and bear fruit." What happens when we reverse the indicative and imperative? Or confuse them?
5. What role does baptism have in this union with Christ (Rom. 6)?
6. When we find imperatives or commands in Scripture, do these provide the power to carry them out? Where must we go in order to find the source of our strength to live the Christian life? If my faith is low or if I am living in rebellion in an area of my life, should I look to the imperative or to the indicative for stronger faith and more faithful obedience?​
 
The cut and past teachings of men. Learn to think your yourself and you won't be deceived.

Lets learn from the One who is the Way, the TRUTH and the Life Himself.

What did Jesus say about obedience ?
What did He say about His own obedience ?
Is the servant above His master ?
What did Jesus say about your obedience ?

Its crystal clear below !

John 13:16
Truly, truly, I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him.

John 15:10
If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.

John 14:15
If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

John 14:21
Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me.

John 14:23
Jesus replied, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word.

John 17:17

Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth.

John 17:19
And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth


know Jesus ,His teachings and why you believe them

Strong's Concordance

hagiazó: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify

Original Word: ἁγιάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: hagiazó
Phonetic Spelling: (hag-ee-ad'-zo)
Definition: to make holy, consecrate, sanctify
Usage: I make holy, treat as holy, set apart as holy, sanctify, hallow, purify.

HELPS Word-studies

Cognate: 37 hagiázō (from 40 /hágios, "holy") – to regard as special (sacred), i.e. holy ("set apart"), sanctify. See 40 (hagios).

[37 (hagiázō) means "to make holy, consecrate, sanctify; to dedicate, separate" (Abbott-Smith).]

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Past tense above

1 Corinthians 1:30
But it is due to Him that you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption, 31 so that, just as it is written: “Let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord.”

Past tense

1 Corinthians 1:2
To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:

Past once again

Acts 26:15-18
“ ‘I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,’ the Lord replied. 16 ‘Now get up and stand on your feet. I have appeared to you to appoint you as a servant and as a witness of what you have seen and will see of me. 17 I will rescue you from your own people and from the Gentiles. I am sending you to them 18 to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.’

Past again.

Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound ? May it NEVER BE !!!

know what you believe and can defend with Jesus and the Apoatles teaching on the doctrine, not cut and pastes from the teachings of men.

hope this helps !!!
 
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Your boy calvin agrees with what I've been saying- oops

"Christ expressly says that the truth, by which God sanctifies his sons, is not to be found any where else than in the word.

Thy word is truth; for the word here denotes the doctrine of the Gospel, which the apostles had already heard from the mouth of their Master, and which they were afterwards to preach to others. In this sense Paul says that

the Church has been cleansed with the washing of water by the word of life,
(Ephesians 5:26

True, it is God alone who sanctifies; but as

the Gospel is the power of God to salvation to every one that believeth,
(Romans 1:16,)

whoever departs from the Gospel as the means must become more and more filthy and polluted."



conclusion: know what you believe and why you believe it.

hope this helps !!!
 
John 17:17- Sanctify ( present active imperative ) them in the truth, thy word is truth !

Aorist Tense: in the Greek language the Aorist tense indicates an undefined action in the past, which means that the verb is describing an event that happened in a single moment in time. It is referentially punctiliar, which means it is related to the context of the narrative pointing to some event in the past impacting the present.shapkancoffeeweebly.com

Active Voice: this simply means the action of the verb it is describing is being performed by the subject. Something is being carried out.

Imperative Mood: this is the mood of command, it is used to order someone’s conduct. It is the proper response to what occurred before. It is the “must” in the “do.”

When you put all three together you can say that if a word is in the Aorist Active Imperative tense, it means the action that the verb is describing is the result of something that happened in the past and it gives rise to the action that you are commanded to take in the present


conclusion: know what you believe and why you believe it.

what sayeth Jesus, what sayeth the Lord ?

hope this helps !!!
 
Indicatives flow from imperatives. This is how every imperative in Scripture is found, attached to an indicative. False gospels are easily recognized when you find imperatives alone(ripped from context of the book/letter).
 
Romans 6
What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

5 For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we will certainly also be united with him in a resurrection like his. 6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves to sin— 7 because anyone who has died has been set free from sin.

8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we will also live with him. 9 For we know that since Christ was raised from the dead, he cannot die again; death no longer has mastery over him. 10 The death he died, he died to sin once for all; but the life he lives, he lives to God.

11 In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. 12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desires. 13 Do not offer any part of yourself to sin as an instrument of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer every part of yourself to him as an instrument of righteousness. 14 For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.

hope this helps !!!
 
Enjoy your baseball on TV. I'll be at Lake Tahoe fishing and golfing enjoying the beauty of one of the nicest lakes in the U.S :)

Compliments of my best friend who won a fishing trip for 4 and invited me. Not sure of my cell reception up there but I'll check in if I get some in the evening.
 
Your boy calvin agrees with what I've been saying- oops

"Christ expressly says that the truth, by which God sanctifies his sons, is not to be found any where else than in the word.

Thy word is truth; for the word here denotes the doctrine of the Gospel, which the apostles had already heard from the mouth of their Master, and which they were afterwards to preach to others. In this sense Paul says that

the Church has been cleansed with the washing of water by the word of life,
(Ephesians 5:26

True, it is God alone who sanctifies; but as

the Gospel is the power of God to salvation to every one that believeth,
(Romans 1:16,)

whoever departs from the Gospel as the means must become more and more filthy and polluted."



conclusion: know what you believe and why you believe it.

hope this helps !!!
I will not stand with you, and I'll leave you this. Since you have no clue how and why an ungodly sinner is justified before a Holy God, or cannot define Justification or Sanctification.

Romans 10:1Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. 2For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.(God's Word/Doctrine) 3For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Perfect harmony with Romans 4:5And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6just as David also speaks of the blessing (free gift of imputed righteousness)of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works

By Scripture Alone!

Know what you believe and why you believe it!​
 
I will not stand with you, and I'll leave you this. Since you have no clue how and why an ungodly sinner is justified before a Holy God, or cannot define Justification or Sanctification.

Romans 10:1Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. 2For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.(God's Word/Doctrine) 3For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Perfect harmony with Romans 4:5And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6just as David also speaks of the blessing (free gift of imputed righteousness)of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works

By Scripture Alone!

Know what you believe and why you believe it!​
I stand with Christ you with the teaching of men . Like burger ? king have it your way.
 
I will not stand with you, and I'll leave you this. Since you have no clue how and why an ungodly sinner is justified before a Holy God, or cannot define Justification or Sanctification.

Romans 10:1Brothers, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. 2For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.(God's Word/Doctrine) 3For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Perfect harmony with Romans 4:5And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6just as David also speaks of the blessing (free gift of imputed righteousness)of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works

By Scripture Alone!

Know what you believe and why you believe it!​

Jesus is Lord !

He stands with me. If God/ Christ is for us who can be against us.


In saying, “Jesus is Lord,” we commit ourselves to obey Him. Jesus asked, “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?” (Luke 6:46). An acknowledgement of Jesus’ lordship is logically accompanied by a submission to Jesus’ authority. If Jesus is Lord, then He owns us; He has the right to tell us what to do.

A person who says, “Jesus is Lord,” with a full understanding of what that means (Jesus is God and has supreme authority over all things) has been divinely enlightened: “No one can say, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ except by the Holy Spirit” (1 Corinthians 12:3). Faith in the Lord Jesus is required for salvation (Acts 16:31).

Jesus is Lord. It’s the truth, whether or not people acknowledge the fact. He is more than the Messiah, more than the Savior; He is the Lord of all. Someday, all will submit to that truth: “God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2:9–11).Got?

C ya Tahoe here I come

hope this helps !!!
 
From the biblical point of view, sanctification is not a matter of holiness as an end in itself.
"Be holy, for I am holy!" (Lev 11:44, 1 Pet 1:16) This sure sounds like Holiness is and end in itself; "Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord."(Heb 12:14)

It would be selfish for us to focus our whole lives on our own growth and improvement, so the Scriptures constantly point us outside of ourselves, to love and serve God and our neighbor.
The focusing on those outside of ourselves, that is loving others as he has loved us, is the path to holiness. To love is to keep the whole law, and that is holiness.

Doug
 
Jesus is Lord !
Amen! Jesus is Lord and Savior!!! He is King and the Suffering Servant!!! Your issue is pitting one against another; Father vs Son, Justification vs Sanctification; Wrath vs Mercy; King vs Servant!

In the Covenant of Redemption, God, at the Cross, deals with the problem of Sin, Death, Hell and Satan, and humanity's separation from himself (reconciling the world to himself) through the indicatives in his Gospel that unfolded the redemptive eschatological consummation of God's Kingdom of a Crucified Servant-King that was inaugurated on a wooden Cross! By this "Atonement," which derives from the Old English "onement," meaning to unite or to attain a state of "At-one-ness." And this Atonement reconciles the offender and the offended through this message of reconciliation in the Passover Lamb, as a guilt-sin-atonement, as a propitiation by His blood that has purchased us by being slayed in our stead.

By His imputed righteousness we stand before God declared righteous without the works of the Law Romans 4:5-6; 10:1-4. Without this positive righteousness of Christ nobody would be able to enter the kingdom!

Galatians 2:21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.

Our faith and works flow from this precious fountain of Grace, not from the Law! You are curved inward, not upward. Luther argued against those who could not harmonized the two concepts of Scripture---that Christ is the Kings of Kings and the Suffering Servant who suffered and was crucified!

So, we are not fracturing the Trinity here, on the contrary! The Kingdom-Cross divide, reveals that this division is an essentially modern (Enlightenment-Post) problem.

Your Lordship Controversy lens on the Reformed Faith is in error!

Know what you believe and why you believe it!​
 
"Be holy, for I am holy!" (Lev 11:44, 1 Pet 1:16) This sure sounds like Holiness is and end in itself; "Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord."(Heb 12:14)


The focusing on those outside of ourselves, that is loving others as he has loved us, is the path to holiness. To love is to keep the whole law, and that is holiness.

Doug
Amen brother
 
For instance, if a neighbor going on vacation were to ask, "Is Fred a good person with whom to leave my pet Iguana?", and Fred's friend replied, "Fred is a veterinarian," that reply would be indicative of Fred's reliability.

The indicative is a statement of reality as it is in the moment. It tells us nothing beyond that. That "Fred is a veterinarian" does not say anything about his qualities as a veterinarian, or whether he would be good with an iguana. You are assuming a lot of things as truth in the indicative statement "Fred is a veterinarian", things that may or may not be true.


Doug
 
The indicative is a statement of reality as it is in the moment. It tells us nothing beyond that. That "Fred is a veterinarian" does not say anything about his qualities as a veterinarian, or whether he would be good with an iguana. You are assuming a lot of things as truth in the indicative statement "Fred is a veterinarian", things that may or may not be true.


Doug
Fred's dog is not:D:D:D
 
"Be holy, for I am holy!" (Lev 11:44, 1 Pet 1:16) This sure sounds like Holiness is and end in itself; "Make every effort to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord."(Heb 12:14)
I hope you will read my posts carefully, understand what we are saying. An ungodly sinner cannot be holy, correct? Something must happen prior to walking in holiness, right? Because everyone is under the curse of the Law! Romans 3: 19 Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be stopped, and the whole world may be become guilty before God.20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

So, Doug, what now for the ungodly sinner? If sinners cannot offer God works of the Law for righteousness that He demands and commands of us, as you provided more Scripture above, what can be done by us? I am in total agreement with you that we must be Holy, but how, if the Law of God brings only knowledge of sin? The sermon on the Mount as well, Jesus says be perfect as God is perfect. This is the nail in all of our coffins! Ungodly sinners cannot provide any of this! This is why I disagree with you guys! You guys are preaching the same old self-righteousness to merit through the Law; the impossible; namely Rome-self-moralism!

Here's more Scripture: Galatians 2:15 We ourselves are Jews by birth and not Gentile sinners; 16 yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Paul is making the same dichotomy as in Romans 4, between works vs gift; or Law vs Grace; or Law vs Promise.

Galatians 3:18For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise. This statement Paul makes is crystal clear that God's Promise in the Gospel is by which we receive our inheritance; namely through Faith Alone in Christ Alone apart from any of our works through the Law/

Now justified; means a righteous person, a person in the eyes of the court who is judicially declared righteous by the judge (God). But how can an ungodly sinner who is under the Law be justified, if no one will be justified through the Law, which brings only knowledge of sin? But to be justified you must be a righteous person!

The answer TibiasDad, is that God provided a Substitute through a Promise, to redeem his people in this Servant-King, who would also inaugurate God's Kingdom on a wooden Cross by Propitiating-Atonement, by providing the only-righteousness-Sanctification that God will accept as perfectly holy!
Romans 3​
The Righteousness of God Through Faith​

21But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Once again Tibias, this Righteousness of God that manifested apart from the Law, is Christ and his finished works of the Law. And it is given to the ungodly sinner as a "GIFT", not through the Law!

Romans 3:28For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.

Romans 4:5And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works.

I have asked somebody to address these verses, that contradict your premises and paradigms. If Paul makes the dichotomy between Faith vs Works, and faith receives the gift of God's Righteousness apart from works, then what becomes of boasting? Could Abraham the Father of Faith boast in his works of holiness before God? No! Because under the Law no one can be justified before God by their own works. Which comes to God's Promise that he will give freely as a gift to those who believe and trust his assertions; his word; his faithfulness, his promise; his oath, his Covenant; his Servant-King!
The focusing on those outside of ourselves, that is loving others as he has loved us, is the path to holiness. To love is to keep the whole law, and that is holiness.

Doug
I'll address this point with you tomorrow, getting late, and this old man needs his bedding time. But I hope what I wrote, finds you well, and pray that you understand it. Because our only hope lies in another outside of us, and fulfilled everything outside of us on a wooden Cross, where "It was Finished"!!!​
 
Amen! Jesus is Lord and Savior!!! He is King and the Suffering Servant!!! Your issue is pitting one against another; Father vs Son, Justification vs Sanctification; Wrath vs Mercy; King vs Servant!

In the Covenant of Redemption, God, at the Cross, deals with the problem of Sin, Death, Hell and Satan, and humanity's separation from himself (reconciling the world to himself) through the indicatives in his Gospel that unfolded the redemptive eschatological consummation of God's Kingdom of a Crucified Servant-King that was inaugurated on a wooden Cross! By this "Atonement," which derives from the Old English "onement," meaning to unite or to attain a state of "At-one-ness." And this Atonement reconciles the offender and the offended through this message of reconciliation in the Passover Lamb, as a guilt-sin-atonement, as a propitiation by His blood that has purchased us by being slayed in our stead.​

God was not being reconciled by the cross

We were

2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV)
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
 
The indicative is a statement of reality as it is in the moment. It tells us nothing beyond that. That "Fred is a veterinarian" does not say anything about his qualities as a veterinarian, or whether he would be good with an iguana. You are assuming a lot of things as truth in the indicative statement "Fred is a veterinarian", things that may or may not be true.


Doug
Amen brother
 
The indicative is a statement of reality as it is in the moment. It tells us nothing beyond that. That "Fred is a veterinarian" does not say anything about his qualities as a veterinarian, or whether he would be good with an iguana. You are assuming a lot of things as truth in the indicative statement "Fred is a veterinarian", things that may or may not be true.


Doug
The indicative is the promised word of God, fulfilled in his Son for his people. This is to assume, of the doctor who heals the sick. I am waiting for your response to my other post. Because of all that was posted with this Fred comments, this is all you can address???
 
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