Is Esau in hell right now?

Johnnybgood said:
Or sinners either believers are called saints . So why do Calvinists call themselves sinners when the Bible does not .
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Because they sin sometimes.

Christians are no longer sinners, in the sense that we are no longer characterised by sin; but, we still sin sometimes; so, in that sense, we are still sinners.
 
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Johnnybgood said:
I see most Calvinist call themselves sinners and even chief of sinners like Paul . That’s hardly a good argument for a Calvinist to make .

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This is another much-debated issue. Many say he was not saved, some say maybe, and others say yes. We are never told in Scripture that he was not a believer. I think there is evidence that he was because, though he sold his birthright, he did seem to believe in the Abrahamic covenant and its blessings which would suggest faith. The prime evidence for this is the scheme that took place between Isaac and Esau to give him the blessings of the covenant in spite of the previous prophecy that Esau, the firstborn, would serve the younger.

The problem with Esau was that he was dominated by his fleshly appetites. What he lost or forfeited was his inheritance, but he was still Issac’s son and one who evidently still believed in the reality of the Abrahamic covenant for he later sought his inheritance with tears though he never really changed his mind (repented) about the priority of spiritual things. As Eric Sauer put:
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Yet another cut and paste.
 
squirrelyguy said:
Calvinists: how certain are you that Esau is in hell right now?

Can you prove biblically that he must be in hell? Provide scripture references.

As you do so, hopefully you will see that the Calvinist understanding of Romans 9 brings a lot of assumptions to the text.
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Prove he's heaven.
 
Johnnybgood said:
I see most Calvinist call themselves sinners and even chief of sinners like Paul . That’s hardly a good argument for a Calvinist to make .

from Bible.org


This is another much-debated issue. Many say he was not saved, some say maybe, and others say yes. We are never told in Scripture that he was not a believer. I think there is evidence that he was because, though he sold his birthright, he did seem to believe in the Abrahamic covenant and its blessings which would suggest faith. The prime evidence for this is the scheme that took place between Isaac and Esau to give him the blessings of the covenant in spite of the previous prophecy that Esau, the firstborn, would serve the younger.

The problem with Esau was that he was dominated by his fleshly appetites. What he lost or forfeited was his inheritance, but he was still Issac’s son and one who evidently still believed in the reality of the Abrahamic covenant for he later sought his inheritance with tears though he never really changed his mind (repented) about the priority of spiritual things. As Eric Sauer put:
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If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 1Jn1:8.

Do you sin, young fella, yes or no? ?
 
Johnnybgood said:
1 John 3
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
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@Johnnybgood believes he doesn't sin; therefore, according to 1 Jn 1:8, he is deceived and the truth is not in him.

Repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ, @ Johnnybgood.
 
Johnnybgood said:
1 John 3
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
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@Johnnybgood believes he doesn't sin; therefore, according to 1 Jn 1:8, he is deceived and the truth is not in him.

Repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ, @ Johnnybgood.
 
Johnnybgood said:
1 John 3
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
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@Johnnybgood believes he doesn't sin; therefore, according to 1 Jn 1:8, he is deceived and the truth is not in him.

Repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ, @ Johnnybgood.
 
Chalcedon said:
Esau’s descendants, the Edomites(also called Idumeans), never got along with Jacob’s descendants, the Israelites. Edom regularly opposed and fought against Israel. A big part of the problem was that the Edomites were pagans and the Israelites followed God. The prophets Jeremiah and Obadiah said God would “bring disaster on Esau” (Jeremiah 49:8) and that the Edomites would be eventually destroyed (Obadiah 1:18).

The writer of Hebrews uses Esau as a negative example of godlessness: “See that no one is sexually immoral, or is godless like Esau, who for a single meal sold his inheritance rights as the oldest son. Afterward, as you know, when he wanted to inherit this blessing, he was rejected. Even though he sought the blessing with tears, he could not change what he had done” (Hebrews 12:16–17). This passage also shows how our actions have consequences, and sometimes those consequences are permanent, even after we have seen the folly of our ways.

The fact that Esau was the older brother, yet Jacob received the birthright, carries theological significance. Esau’s mother had been told before she gave birth to twins that “the older will serve the younger” (Genesis 25:23). So God’s choice—His election—was at work before either of the twins had done anything, good or bad. Paul uses this story to show that we are saved “not by works but by him who calls” (Romans 9:12). God’s sovereignty and election cannot be thwarted: “Just as it is written: ‘Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.’ . . . It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy” (verses 13 and 16, cf. Malachi 1:2–3).got?

Hebrews 12:16
Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. KJV
that there be no immoral or godless person like Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal. NASB
that no one is sexually immoral or unholy like Esau, who sold his birthright for a single meal. ESV
Or lest a man be found among you as a fornicator, or debauched, like Esau, who for one meal sold his birthright. Aramaic

You be the judge !

hope this helps !!!
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Esau and Jacob reconciled. He was obviously blessed. All it meant that God hated Esau was that his descendants would not be God's chosen nation, whereas Jacob's would be. We are not responsible for our descendants' beliefs, anymore than Abraham was responsible for Ishmael's.
 
Johnnybgood said:
As Jesus said go and sin no more . Repent

1 John 3
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
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@Johnnybgood believes he doesn't sin; therefore, according to 1 Jn 1:8, he is deceived and the truth is not in him.

Repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ, @ Johnnybgood.
 
Johnnybgood said:
As Jesus said go and sin no more . Repent

1 John 3
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
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@Johnnybgood quotes some scripture, and thtows out what he doesn't like.

Repebt of that, Johnny.
 
Johnnybgood said:
Jesus said go and sin no more !

1 John 3
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
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@Johnnybgood quotes some scripture and disregards scripture he doesn't like.

That is a sin.

@Johnnybgood believes he doesn't sin; therefore, according to 1 Jn 1:8, he is deceived and the truth is not in him.

Repent and believe the Gospel of Jesus Christ, @Johnnybgood.
 
Johnnybgood said:
1 John 3
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
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6. Sinneth not (ouch hamartanei). Linear present (linear menōn, keeps on abiding) active indicative of hamartanō, “does not keep on sinning.” For menō (abide) see 2:6; John 15:4-10. Whosoever sinneth (ho hamartanōn). Present (linear) active articular participle like menōn above, “the one who keeps on sinning” (lives a life of sin, not mere occasional acts of sin as hamartēsas, aorist active participle, would mean). Hath not seen him (ouch heōraken auton). Perfect active indicative of horaō. The habit of sin is proof that one has not the vision or the knowledge (egnōken, perfect active also) of Christ. He means, of course, spiritual vision and spiritual knowledge, not the literal sense of horaō in John 1:18; 20:29.
-- A.T. Robertson, "Word Pictures of the New Testament

6. Whosoever abideth in him. See 1 John 2:6. The word here employed (μενων) properly means to remain, to continue, to abide. It is used of persons remaining or dwelling in a place, in the sense of abiding there permanently, or lodging there, and this is the common meaning of the word, Matt. 10:11; 26:38; Mark 6:10; Luke 1:56, et saepe. In the writings of John, however, it is quite a favourite word to denote the relation which one sustains to another, in the sense of being united to him, or remaining with him in affection and love; being with him in heart and mind and will, as one makes his home in a dwelling.
-- Albert Barnes, Notes on the NT

Sinneth not. John does not teach that believers do not sin, but is speaking of a character, a habit. Throughout the Epistle he deals with the ideal reality of life in God, in which the love of God and sin exclude each other as light and darkness.
-- Marvin Vincent, Word Studies in the NT

III. From the opposition between sin and a real union with or adhesion to the Lord Christ: Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not, v. 6. To sin here is the same as to commit sin (v. 8, 9), and to commit sin is to practise sin. He that abideth in Christ continues not in the practice of sin.
-- Matthew Henry, Commentary on the Bible
 
Johnnybgood said:
Romans 6:2
God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein

Romans 6:11
So you too must count yourselves dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus.

Romans 6:15
What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law, but under grace? Certainly not!

1 Peter 4:1-3
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

1 John 2:29
If you know that He is righteous, you also know that everyone who practices righteousness has been born of Him.

1 John 3:6
No one who remains in Him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has seen Him or known Him.
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@Johnnybgood, do you sin?

If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. 1 Jn 1:8
 
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