Is faith a condition of salvation?

Carbon

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Is faith, strictly speaking, a condition of salvation? Does a man have to believe before he can be saved?

Did Jesus die on the cross, doing 99%, and now leaves it up to us to believe, doing the last 1%?

In still other words, did Jesus’ death make salvation possible, or did he actually efficaciously accomplish redemption?
 

Carbon

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It's fallacious to equate an action with meriting the result.

The Bible is crystal clear faith brings salvation, man made philosophies make one feel the need to reinterpret that plain meaning.

Grace enables and empowers faith, but grace is not literally faith, or faith would not have a separate word.
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Carbon

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It's fallacious to equate an action with meriting the result.

The Bible is crystal clear faith brings salvation, man made philosophies make one feel the need to reinterpret that plain meaning.

Grace enables and empowers faith, but grace is not literally faith, or faith would not have a separate word.
Jesus actually accomplished salvation for his people when he died on the cross. Period.

So we must believe to be saved, but if we have true faith, it is a gift given by God through the death of Christ by the sovereign work of the Holy Spirit.
 

CrowCross

Super Member
Is faith, strictly speaking, a condition of salvation? Does a man have to believe before he can be saved?

Did Jesus die on the cross, doing 99%, and now leaves it up to us to believe, doing the last 1%?

In still other words, did Jesus’ death make salvation possible, or did he actually efficaciously accomplish redemption?
I think it all happens at the same time...grace, mercy, faith, belief, regeneration...
 

Slyzr

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Is faith, strictly speaking, a condition of salvation? Does a man have to believe before he can be saved?

Did Jesus die on the cross, doing 99%, and now leaves it up to us to believe, doing the last 1%?

In still other words, did Jesus’ death make salvation possible, or did he actually efficaciously accomplish redemption?

This is the way; walk in it.

That takes faith.
 

TibiasDad

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Jesus actually accomplished salvation for his people when he died on the cross. Period.

Your begging the question.


So we must believe to be saved,
That's our argument. Welcome to the truth! 😇😎


but if we have true faith, it is a gift given by God through the death of Christ by the sovereign work of the Holy Spirit.
If we are regenerated, then we are already saved and the subsequent belief means nothing and has no value.


Doug
 

Reformedguy

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Your begging the question.



That's our argument. Welcome to the truth! 😇😎



If we are regenerated, then we are already saved and the subsequent belief means nothing and has no value.


Doug
Except regeneration itself does not save you. It's is a means to a end.

To the Arminian what is the function of regeneration post faitn??
 

fltom

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Except regeneration itself does not save you. It's is a means to a end.

To the Arminian what is the function of regeneration post faitn??
really?

Titus 3:5 (ESV) — 5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Ephesians 2:5 (ESV) — 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
 

Reformedguy

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really?

Titus 3:5 (ESV) — 5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Ephesians 2:5 (ESV) — 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
🥱 Anyone see my question addressed?
Let Doug handle it. The brains of the outfit
 

fltom

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🥱 Anyone see my question addressed?
Let Doug handle it. The brains of the outfit
You ran

Titus 3:5 (ESV) — 5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Ephesians 2:5 (ESV) — 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been
 

Reformedguy

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You ran

Titus 3:5 (ESV) — 5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Ephesians 2:5 (ESV) — 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been
That addresses my question in no way proof texter.

Anyone else?
 

fltom

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That addresses my question in no way proof texter.

Anyone else?
You are in denial

regeneration is how we are saved

Titus 3:5 (ESV) — 5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Ephesians 2:5 (ESV) — 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been
 

Reformedguy

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You are in denial

regeneration is how we are saved

Titus 3:5 (ESV) — 5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Ephesians 2:5 (ESV) — 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been
Fail to address

Next
 

fltom

Well-known member
Fail to address

Next
Yep you failed to address these

regeneration is how we are saved

Titus 3:5 (ESV) — 5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Ephesians 2:5 (ESV) — 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been
 

Reformedguy

Well-known member
Yep you failed to address these

regeneration is how we are saved

Titus 3:5 (ESV) — 5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Ephesians 2:5 (ESV) — 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been
I thought it was by faith? LOL
 

fltom

Well-known member
I thought it was by faith? LOL


Regeneration is God's methology of salvation

Titus 3:5 (ESV) — 5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Ephesians 2:5 (ESV) — 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been
 

Reformedguy

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Regeneration is God's methology of salvation

Titus 3:5 (ESV) — 5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Ephesians 2:5 (ESV) — 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been
No kidding? Really?

I thought faith was? Are you not already saved before regeneration?
 

fltom

Well-known member
No kidding? Really?

I thought faith was? Are you not already saved before regeneration?
No kidding really

Regeneration is God's methology of salvation

Titus 3:5 (ESV) — 5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

Ephesians 2:5 (ESV) — 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been
 
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