ReverendRV
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Why is Faith a Fruit of the Spirit after Salvation; but not before it?I think he reads just fine. ?
Faith. Your doing?
haha, wrong! You have no faith. The dead have nothing.
we have to be made alive Tom. ?
Why is Faith a Fruit of the Spirit after Salvation; but not before it?I think he reads just fine. ?
Faith. Your doing?
haha, wrong! You have no faith. The dead have nothing.
we have to be made alive Tom. ?
Forget your human reasoning and believe the word of GodI think he reads just fine. ?
Faith. Your doing?
haha, wrong! You have no faith. The dead have nothing.
we have to be made alive Tom. ?
Galatians 5:22 (ESV) — 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,Why is Faith a Fruit of the Spirit after Salvation; but not before it?
Nope.Christ died for all the elect so that they would believe. So what’s your point?
Faith is an effectual fruit of Christ’s death, isn’t it?
Where is faith called our responsibility? Chapter and verseDo you have a problem reading
Regeneration is the mechanism by which God saves
we are saved by grace (God's doing) through faith (our responsibility)
Except your already saved when your regenerated. Faith savesThrough faith on our part
God saves by means of regeneration
Don’t be sorry Tom, you just fool yourself.Sorry but you misuse the metasphor of deadness
The prodigal son was dead to his father but came to his senses and returned home and was made alive to the Father
The church at Sardis was stated by Christ to be dead they were told to repent
You simply are not using the term how the bible uses the term in relevant context
speaking of a living being separated from God
Ephesians 2:5–12 (ESV) — 5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— 6 and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. 11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
Sorry but scripture is not your friend
John 20:31 (ESV) — 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
John 5:40 (ESV) — 40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.
John 3:36 (ESV) — 36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
scripture states you must do something to have life
so forget your philosophy and believe the word of God
When one is regenerated he is a new creation in Christ. This new creation possesses faith. You agree?Why is Faith a Fruit of the Spirit after Salvation; but not before it?
No it don’t Tom. Stop fighting it. Those who are dead, don’t have faith and do not repent.Forget your human reasoning and believe the word of God
It puts faith, coming to Christ, repentance before life
I see no reason to go over every verse with you. Just believe the truth Tom.John 20:31 (ESV) — 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
John 5:40 (ESV) — 40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.
Acts 11:18 (ESV) — 18 When they heard these things they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, “Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life.”
Nope?Nope.
Are you claiming God reveals this to the dead man, the natural man, in his fallen nature?Biblical FAITH is always a revelation TO YOU of God's WORD. Conviction of SIN by the Holy Spirit is the beginning of FAITH, since GOD'S WORD is letting you know of your NEED, and of impending Judgement.
Explain?Messiah died for the World
Explain?the benefit is applied to the believing
One day you wake up and you have life along with everything that comes with it like faith? Is that how it goes?No it don’t Tom. Stop fighting it. Those who are dead, don’t have faith and do not repent.
Those who are given life have faith, can see and repent.
You have it all twisted up. Anyone who understands the word can see your messy work.
I see no reason to go over every verse with you. Just believe the truth Tom.
ONLY when it's given to them:Nope?
So it’s something the fallen man possesses?
what of what I said specifically confused you?I see no reason to go over every verse with you. Just believe the truth...
It happens simultaneously. 'One day' is an allotment of Time, therefore you are asking him about the non-sequential Temporal Order...One day you wake up and you have life along with everything that comes with it like faith? Is that how it goes?
So there is no benefit to the unbeliever? What was the point then?Messiah died for the World
the benefit is applied to the believing
why does there have to be a point?So there is no benefit to the unbeliever? What was the point then?
So in addition to the logic order there is now a "non-sequential" temporal order?It happens simultaneously. 'One day' is an allotment of Time, therefore you are asking him about the non-sequential Temporal Order...