Is God angry with sin ? Since God is angry with sin why do Calvinist believe it was God’s sovereign plan that preordained sin ?

Leatherneck0311

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Yes...

1 Samuel 15:3 KJV; Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

Do you think that God Preordained, Determined, Ordained, and any other words Christians use to make God the Initiator, Enabler, Planner, and or Sovereign Controller of the Acts of Men?
I do not believe scripture contradicts itself. Do you believe the scripture you posted 1Samuel 15:3 contradicts the scripture I posted James 1:13 ? I believe no one understands in completeness Almighty God so the problem as I understand it is when anyone believes they have opposing scriptures that contradict one another it is because they have not matured enough in the Lord to fully understand how both scriptures tell a completed truth. I do not believe systematic theology can answer or solve where some believe they have conflicting scriptures ? I believe only maturing in the Lord with the guidance and illumination from the Holy Spirit can answer those questions.
 

ReverendRV

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I do not believe scripture contradicts itself. Do you believe the scripture you posted 1Samuel 15:3 contradicts the scripture I posted James 1:13 ? I believe no one understands in completeness Almighty God so the problem as I understand it is when anyone believes they have opposing scriptures that contradict one another it is because they have not matured enough in the Lord to fully understand how both scriptures tell a completed truth. I do not believe systematic theology can answer or solve where some believe they have conflicting scriptures ? I believe only maturing in the Lord with the guidance and illumination from the Holy Spirit can answer those questions.
Scripture doesn't contradict Scripture. I copy and pasted what you said, with subtle alteration; so the Verse I posted was meant to show your contradiction, not your Verse's Contradiction...

But nevermind. I know how things work here; I can only stand so much...

Y'all carry on...
 

Leatherneck0311

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Scripture doesn't contradict Scripture. I copy and pasted what you said, with subtle alteration; so the Verse I posted was meant to show your contradiction, not your Verse's Contradiction...

But nevermind. I know how things work here; I can only stand so much...

Y'all carry on...
I caught the alteration you changed Calvinist to Christians in what I posted, which I believe is or maybe now was a violation of TOS to change a posters post.
 

ReverendRV

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All Scripture is Good for Doctrine...

Scripture is a Hypostasis...

What God has United, let no one tear asunder. Use every Verse to come to the best Systematic Theology. People here should behave as if they signed a paper agreeing to use All Scripture to come to a conclusion, and they promise to accept a Professor's grade. You turn in your Paper; it's graded and you're told it's contrary to "there is no one who does Good, no, not One". You are told to rewrite your Paper...

This scenario goes on and on forever, because you refuse to use All Scripture...
 

Leatherneck0311

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All Scripture is Good for Doctrine...

Scripture is a Hypostasis...

What God has United, let no one tear asunder. Use every Verse to come to the best Systematic Theology. People here should behave as if they signed a paper agreeing to use All Scripture to come to a conclusion, and they promise to accept a Professor's grade. You turn in your Paper; it's graded and you're told it's contrary to "there is no one who does Good, no, not One". You are told to rewrite your Paper...

This scenario goes on and on forever, because you refuse to use All Scripture...
And who decides who the professor is ? Doesn’t that block the Holy Spirit from correcting errors if a man is put in charge ? Nope, I believe and trust all scripture;however, I do not change, disregard, and ignore scripture because I am wed to a particular theology,. No one who does good would remove the account of Enoch who walked with God and was not for God took Him right ? Is it me or you refusing all scripture e.g. Enoch. I do get your point as in everyone ever born of a woman, with the one exception of Jesus ,was born with a sin nature. I do not a agree that scripture is a philosophy.—>
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2Ti 3:16 - All scripture isgiven by inspiration of God,and is profitable for doctrine,for reproof, for correction, forinstruction in righteousness:
 

preacher4truth

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All Scripture is Good for Doctrine...

Scripture is a Hypostasis...

What God has United, let no one tear asunder. Use every Verse to come to the best Systematic Theology. People here should behave as if they signed a paper agreeing to use All Scripture to come to a conclusion, and they promise to accept a Professor's grade. You turn in your Paper; it's graded and you're told it's contrary to "there is no one who does Good, no, not One". You are told to rewrite your Paper...

This scenario goes on and on forever, because you refuse to use All Scripture...
Exactly, which is why it is a waste of time. 2 Timothy 2:15 is in order, and that doesn't happen overnight. Plus maybe being born-again, John 3:7? After all, we have some here preaching merited grace, saved by exerting themselves to understand &c. I say this because it gives proper perspective to what we're dealing with. Some can skip past all these things here, as they do, but there will be none of that on that Day.
 

Janice Bower

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I would believe God wants us to live for Him because we love and hold Him in awe because He is Holy as opposed to Him having our obedience because He programmed us to obey Him.
No, He doesn't have to program us! He has to deliver us from our sinful natures and He determined to do that. If He hadn't, we'd not care about glorifying Him.

Romans 3
“There is no one righteous,

not even one.

11There is no one who understands,

no one who seeks God.

12All have turned away,

they have together become worthless;

there is no one who does good,

not even one.”

13“Their throats are open graves;

their tongues practice deceit.”

“The venom of vipers is on their lips.”

14“Their mouths are full

of cursing and bitterness.”

15“Their feet are swift to shed blood;

16ruin and misery lie in their wake,

17and the way of peace they have not known.”

18“There is no fear of God

before their eyes.”

19Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.
 

Janice Bower

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And who decides who the professor is ? Doesn’t that block the Holy Spirit from correcting errors if a man is put in charge ? Nope, I believe and trust all scripture;however, I do not change, disregard, and ignore scripture because I am wed to a particular theology,. No one who does good would remove the account of Enoch who walked with God and was not for God took Him right ? Is it me or you refusing all scripture e.g. Enoch. I do get your point as in everyone ever born of a woman, with the one exception of Jesus ,was born with a sin nature. I do not a agree that scripture is a philosophy.—>
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2Ti 3:16 - All scripture isgiven by inspiration of God,and is profitable for doctrine,for reproof, for correction, forinstruction in righteousness:
You are boasting.
 

Leatherneck0311

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No, He doesn't have to program us! He has to deliver us from our sinful natures and He determined to do that. If He hadn't, we'd not care about glorifying Him.

Romans 3
“There is no one righteous,

not even one.

11There is no one who understands,

no one who seeks God.

12All have turned away,

they have together become worthless;

there is no one who does good,

not even one.”

13“Their throats are open graves;

their tongues practice deceit.”

“The venom of vipers is on their lips.”

14“Their mouths are full

of cursing and bitterness.”

15“Their feet are swift to shed blood;

16ruin and misery lie in their wake,

17and the way of peace they have not known.”

18“There is no fear of God

before their eyes.”

19Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God.
What do you do with Enoch ? Gen 5:24 - And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
 

preacher4truth

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What do you do with Enoch ? Gen 5:24 - And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
In the above, the poster is showing that he thinks he himself was good, like he thinks and believes Enoch also had his own goodness. He believes God elects people due to their goodness. This is merited grace, not Biblical grace, and is salvation by works. I'm amazed some think they are good given their known track record.

God regenerated and saved Enoch. He pleased God, and biblically no person can please God in the flesh (in their natural state; Romans 8:8) so therefore he was regenerated, an example of being born from above in the OT (note John 3). This is how he pleased God and walked with Him, he, Enoch had a righteousness not his own in an exemplary fashion, note Philippians 3:9.
 

Janice Bower

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Enoch was obviously a good man ! What do you do with their is none good ? Enoch was good enough that he didn’t die and God took him.
We aren't born sinless. Our righteousness is IMPUTED if we have any. Are you suggesting that Enoch never sinned ---- that he was actually Christ?

Are you still trying to convince people that you don't believe God's word?!
 

Leatherneck0311

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We aren't born sinless. Our righteousness is IMPUTED if we have any. Are you suggesting that Enoch never sinned ---- that he was actually Christ?

Are you still trying to convince people that you don't believe God's word?!
I quoted a verse you obviously do not believe.
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Gen 5:24 - And Enochwalked with God: and he wasnot; for God took him.
 
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