Is God angry with sin ? Since God is angry with sin why do Calvinist believe it was God’s sovereign plan that preordained sin ?

Janice Bower said:
Romans 5
6For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. 8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. 11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
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Yet you never answered one question. Did Enoch walk with God and did Enoch not die and God take Him ?
 
Leatherneck0311 said:
Nah, I am not a Calvinist I don’t ignore the context of scripture to honor and follow a man named Calvin. I follow and believe Jesus no one else.
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Then they set out from Mount Hor by the way of the Red Sea, to go around the land of Edom; and the people became impatient because of the journey. The people spoke against God and Moses, “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and we loathe this miserable food. The LORD sent fiery serpents among the people and they bit the people, so that many people of Israel died.[Numbers 21:4-6]

Your constant bellyaching, complaining, nagging, shaking the fist at God will cause things like the above to come upon you. Better turn from your wicked ways, as we don't follow John Calvin, as you constantly and falsely say we do.
 
armylngst said:
I have some questions for you:
If God is omnipresent, omniscient, and omnipotent, how did Adam sin in the first place?
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This question will be ignored unfortunately, because some here are not interested in truth.
armylngst said:
If God is omnipresent, God was in the midst of the garden, in the midst of this little gathering of the serpent, Eve, and Adam at the tree, and had front row seats to everything that was happening. Why did God allow a man to corrupt His creation? Why did God put a man in the position of being able to corrupt His creation?
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Again, this will not be even considered as some here are to proud to even humble self before God and His word.
armylngst said:
Should He have not waited until Adam sinned or didn't sin, to bestow the dominion of all creation onto Adam? That goes to God's omniscience. Did God somehow not know that if Adam sinned, it would corrupt His Creation? Was that beyond God's capability to understand? Considering that the serpent said that God knows the difference between good and evil, that is easily answered with a solid...NO. God knew. Yet He gave Adam dominion over all creation prior to testing him. And omnipotence along with omnipresence. If it was God's desire for these things not to happen, that serpent would have been shot into space, and would still be traversing the universe today.
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Amen!
armylngst said:
EDIT: I forgot something. If God could stop Abraham from sacrificing Isaac, then why couldn't God stop Adam and Eve? Why didn't God stop Adam when He realized what was going on in Adam? (Already knew what would go on in Adam, and that Adam was incapable of thinking/acting rationally at the time.) It sounds more and more like a plan each time I consider it.
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Correct, yet this will be ignored by some and not addressed.
armylngst said:
So, is your God omniscient? If so, then He already knew Adam was going to sin. What does that do to determination? Well, God knew Adam was going to sin because God determined it. (See how that works?) God watched them sin, and then God made His presence known to Adam and Eve by calling out to them. He asked them who told them they were naked, and then told them. He already knew. He wasn't confused when He showed up. He presented Himself as the parent who already knew what the children had done (because they were watching), and asked them about it, as though He didn't know.
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God is sovereign over all, some would rob Him of His sovereignty day after day in favor of their own sovereignty and the Idol of self.

Thank you for sharing.
 
Leatherneck0311 said:
I have asked Calvinists, “Is God angry and grieved with sin?” They have answered, “Yes.” Then I’ve asked, “Was sin the secret Sovereign plan of God?” They have answered, “Yes.” Then I’ve asked, “So you’re saying that God is angry and grieved with His own secret Sovereign plan?” They don’t know how to answer that. https://biblicaltruthresources.word...uthor-of-sin-calvinism-refuted-jesse-morrell/. This verse proves Calvinism is wrong.
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Jas 1:13 - Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil,neither tempteth he any man:
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I think angry with sin is a bit of an understatement. I believe God is furious with sin, but often shows great restraint in responding to it. That's the patience and love of God as sovereign.
 
eternomade said:
Enoch died, just like everyone else born of Adam.
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Nope ! According to scriptureEnoch did not die read it again.
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Gen 5:24 - And Enochwalked with God: and he wasnot; for God took him. Now find a verse that says Enoch died. There is none but here is one that says he did not die—>Heb 11:5 - By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
 
I would like to hear about the doctrine of forbearance, specifically in Romans 2 and 3. Do you reject that God was forbearing in the sin of His people before Christ came to expiate sin and propitiate God's wrath?

God has never hated those in Christ because He was forbearing with their sin until the death of the testator. If Christ did not come to die on the cross, His people would be left in their sin.

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Romans 2:4 KJV


Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Romans 3:25 KJV


Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: For thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.

For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

For the Lord hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.

For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.

In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the Lord thy Redeemer.

For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.

For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the Lord that hath mercy on thee.
Isaiah 54:4‭-‬10 KJV
 
Leatherneck0311 said:
Nope ! According to scriptureEnoch did not die read it again.
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Gen 5:24 - And Enochwalked with God: and he wasnot; for God took him. Now find a verse that says Enoch died. There is none but here is one that says he did not die—>Heb 11:5 - By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
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Death=spiritual death.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1 Corinthians 15:50 KJV
 
eternomade said:
I would like to hear about the doctrine of forbearance, specifically in Romans 2 and 3. Do you reject that God was forbearing in the sin of His people before Christ came to expiate sin and propitiate God's wrath?

God has never hated those in Christ because He was forbearing with their sin until the death of the testator. If Christ did not come to die on the cross, His people would be left in their sin.

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Romans 2:4 KJV


Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Romans 3:25 KJV


Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: For thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.

For thy Maker is thine husband; the Lord of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

For the Lord hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.

For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.

In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the Lord thy Redeemer.

For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee.

For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the Lord that hath mercy on thee.
Isaiah 54:4‭-‬10 KJV
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Applies to everyone who would believe and place their faith in Jesus: Heb 11:5 - By faith Enochwas translated that he shouldnot see death; and was notfound, because God had translated him: for before histranslation he had this testimony, that he pleasedGod. /
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1Jo 2:2 - And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also forthe sins of the whole world.
 
eternomade said:
Death=spiritual death.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1 Corinthians 15:50 KJV
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You are contradicting both OT and NT writers who say Enoch did not die and that he was translated that he should not see death. Do you even know what translated means ?
 
Leatherneck0311 said:
Do you even know what translated means ?
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Yes. Below I have bolded the same word used in other verses.

Acts 7
16 And were carried over into Sychem, and laid in the sepulchre that Abraham bought for a sum of money of the sons of Emmor the father of Sychem.

Galatians 1
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Hebrews 7
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Jude
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
eternomade said:
Yes. Below I have bolded the same word used in other verses.

Acts 7
16 And were carried over into Sychem, and laid in the sepulchre that Abraham bought for a sum of money of the sons of Emmor the father of Sychem.

Galatians 1
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

Hebrews 7
12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Jude
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
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You really have no clue because of you have closed your heart and mind to the truth. Forget your indoctrination . Here is a hint:Colossians 1:13 - Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: you had one part right that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God which is why God translated Enoch./
Webster's 1828 Dictionary
Translated
TRANSLA'TED, participle passive Conveyed from one place to another; removed to heaven without dying; rendered into another language./https://www.kingjamesbibledictionary.com/Dictionary/translated
 
Janice Bower said:
I have told you that I believe the Bible. Now answer was Enoch as sinless as Christ?
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Have I ever said Enoch was sinless ? I said Enoch walked with God and Enoch was not for God took Him. Then I said Enoch never died because that is what scripture says.—> Gen 5:24 - And Enochwalked with God: and he wasnot; for God took him.—>
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Heb 11:5 - By faith Enochwas translated that he shouldnot see death; and was notfound, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleasedGod.
 
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