is God immutable

[Tiburon]

Jesus is alive. Buddha is dead.

Both are dead.

 

[e v e 21]

there are two realms.

buddha belongs to the murdering evil one that got its powers and ‘nirvana’ by making eden to fall.

 

[rossum]

buddha belongs to the murdering evil one that got its powers and ‘nirvana’ by making eden to fall.

The Buddha did not kill anyone. Eden fell thousands of years before he was born.

As to nirvana, nirvana is here and now. The Buddha attained nirvana at age 35. He died age 80. For 45 years he was simultaneously in nirvana and here and now.

You have your facts incorrect.

 

[e v e 21]

The Buddha did not kill anyone. Eden fell thousands of years before he was born.

As to nirvana, nirvana is here and now. The Buddha attained nirvana at age 35. He died age 80. For 45 years he was simultaneously in nirvana and here and now.

You have your facts incorrect.

i said he belonged to the realm that did it.

the events are described in rg vedas and mahabharata and ramayana.

buddhism was a later dilute corrupt version
…on purpose making that realm to ‘seem’ benign.

I work with a translator and scholar who reads and translates the vedic texts and egyptian hieroglyphs…. i know what they say.

 

[e v e 21]

Christ is deity. He came from the other world where paradise was to undo what the evil realm ’gods’ did and restore to the conquered souls of eden what was stolen from them.

the rg vedas are clear on the things that happened, though using different names to describe the cosmological destruction caused by the evil realm.

 

[e v e 21]

The context of why He was destroying their cities in the OT (referring to events in the other world) is as above, to get back what they stole.

There is a war. The evil realm will lose every single thing it stole. The entire of the rg veda texts and hieroglyphs confirm and justify God’s anger towards that murdering jealous ugly saturnian realm by its own admissions and gloating.

 

[rossum]

the events are described in rg vedas and mahabharata and ramayana.

Those are Hindu scriptures, not Buddhist scriptures.

There are major differences between the two religions; Hinduism emphasises the atman while Buddhism sees the atman as an illusion.

You need to read the Buddhist scriptures if you want to learn about Buddhism.

 

[e v e 21]

Those are Hindu scriptures, not Buddhist scriptures.

There are major differences between the two religions; Hinduism emphasises the atman while Buddhism sees the atman as an illusion.

You need to read the Buddhist scriptures if you want to learn about Buddhism.

hinduism and buddhism are both later dilute smokescreens, same details as i said above concerning buddhism. it doesn’t matter if their fake texts are different.

 

[rossum]

hinduism and buddhism are both later dilute smokescreens, same details as i said above concerning buddhism. it doesn’t matter if their fake texts are different.

You are entitled to your opinion.

You will need evidence, not just opinion, to convince me that you are correct.

 

[DaGeo]

It is not my opinion, it is standard Buddhism. Nirvana is not non-existence. The Buddha attained nirvana at age 35; he died age 80. For 45 years he was living in the world while at the same time in nirvana.


So, we have a two-part God. One part is immutable and does not change while the other part is mutable and does change. You cannot have one thing that is both mutable and immutable, you must have at least two parts.


Yes it does.

MOSES: Lord, please part this sea so your people may cross to safety.​

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GOD: I'm sorry Moses. I did not part the sea yesterday and so I cannot part it today because I am immutable. Better swim.​

An immutable God can never take any new actions, since that would be a change. Only the mutable part of a two-part God is able to do anything new.


Which is why an unchanging or immutable entity (or part entity) can never change what it does or ever do anything new. It would be a similar logical contradiction.

There’s my good friend rossum ‼️‼️‼️
Just thought I would drop in and look around.

How do know Buddha went to Nirvana? Did you see him there?

 

[rossum]

Just thought I would drop in and look around.

Welcome.

How do know Buddha went to Nirvana? Did you see him there?

I know that the Buddha did not go to nirvana because nirvana is not a place to which you can go. Nirvana is here and now, you are already there. The problem is that you don't realise it.

People long for big thrills. Peak experiences. Some people come to Zen expecting that Enlightenment will be the Ultimate Peak Experience. The Mother of All Peak Experiences. But real enlightenment is the most ordinary of the ordinary. Once I had an amazing vision. I saw myself transported through time and space. Millions, no, billions, trillions, Godzillions of years passed. Not figuratively, but literally. Whizzed by. I found myself at the very rim of time and space, a vast giant being composed of the living minds and bodies of every thing that ever was. It was an incredibly moving experience. Exhilarating. I was high for weeks. Finally I told Nishijima Sensei about it . He said it was nonsense. Just my imagination. I can't tell you how that made me feel. Imagination? This was as real an experience as any I've ever had. I just about cried. Later on that day I was eating a tangerine. I noticed how incredibly lovely a thing it was. So delicate. So amazingly orange. So very tasty. So I told Nishijima about that. That experience, he said, was enlightenment.​

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Source: Zen is Boring.​

Buddhism is not an Abrahamic religion, so you will find that many of the assumptions common in Christianity do not apply. In Christianity heaven is away in the future, while in Buddhism nirvana is here and now.

For a taste of Buddhism within Christianity you could try Saying the Jesus Prayer.

 

[vbj]

Is God immutable? Assuming we are talking about Yahweh, I would say God has immutable characteristics. If God loves someone that love is really forever, even if the recipient does not love back. Unlike the fickle "he loves me, he loves me not" human love.

 

[DaGeo]

Welcome.


I know that the Buddha did not go to nirvana because nirvana is not a place to which you can go. Nirvana is here and now, you are already there. The problem is that you don't realise it.

People long for big thrills. Peak experiences. Some people come to Zen expecting that Enlightenment will be the Ultimate Peak Experience. The Mother of All Peak Experiences. But real enlightenment is the most ordinary of the ordinary. Once I had an amazing vision. I saw myself transported through time and space. Millions, no, billions, trillions, Godzillions of years passed. Not figuratively, but literally. Whizzed by. I found myself at the very rim of time and space, a vast giant being composed of the living minds and bodies of every thing that ever was. It was an incredibly moving experience. Exhilarating. I was high for weeks. Finally I told Nishijima Sensei about it . He said it was nonsense. Just my imagination. I can't tell you how that made me feel. Imagination? This was as real an experience as any I've ever had. I just about cried. Later on that day I was eating a tangerine. I noticed how incredibly lovely a thing it was. So delicate. So amazingly orange. So very tasty. So I told Nishijima about that. That experience, he said, was enlightenment.​

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Source: Zen is Boring.​

Buddhism is not an Abrahamic religion, so you will find that many of the assumptions common in Christianity do not apply. In Christianity heaven is away in the future, while in Buddhism nirvana is here and now.

For a taste of Buddhism within Christianity you could try Saying the Jesus Prayer.

Sounds like you and Jesse DuPlantus share a few commonalities

 

[rossum]

I would say God has immutable characteristics.

One thing cannot be both immutable and mutable; it can only be one or the other. You now have two different things: immutable characteristics and a mutable remainder. The God of the Bible definitely changes, at least in part.

 

[vbj]

One thing cannot be both immutable and mutable; it can only be one or the other. You now have two different things: immutable characteristics and a mutable remainder. The God of the Bible definitely changes, at least in part.

There is nothing deep and profound here. Humans are capable of immutable love. To love and to cherish, till death to us apart. But clearly humans are not immutable creatures.

 

[rossum]

There is nothing deep and profound here. Humans are capable of immutable love. To love and to cherish, till death to us apart. But clearly humans are not immutable creatures.

"Till death do us part" is not immutable, since it finishes at death. Immutability does not allow any possibility of change, and death is a change.

 

[DaGeo]

One thing cannot be both immutable and mutable; it can only be one or the other. You now have two different things: immutable characteristics and a mutable remainder. The God of the Bible definitely changes, at least in part.

If at once you can’t succeed then equivocate‼️‼️😂🤣

Rossum, your reputation of jumping to equivocations precedes you‼️😉

 

[vbj]

"Till death do us part" is not immutable, since it finishes at death. Immutability does not allow any possibility of change, and death is a change.

Nope, the physical body changes but love does not. If you immutably love someone you will love him after his death. If you can live forever you will love him infinite years after his death.

 

[rossum]

Nope, the physical body changes but love does not. If you immutably love someone you will love him after his death. If you can live forever you will love him infinite years after his death.

There is a huge "if" in there. Humans do not live forever; they at most live for half of forever. There is a change from not-loving to loving. An immutable love could never start because starting is a change.

 

[vbj]

There is a huge "if" in there. Humans do not live forever; they at most live for half of forever. There is a change from not-loving to loving. An immutable love could never start because starting is a change.

You made a philosophical claim about immutability so I gave a philosophical response. If we imagine the mind exists forever then immutable love is forever.

If you want to discuss whether the mind survives or is recoverable after death that's a different subject.