Is it okay to murder a baby that has been born if its parents are extremely poor and the baby will have a bad life?

[BMS]

I stand for getting pre- and post-natal care for all pregnant women which would decrease the third-world level of maternal and infant mortality in states like Texas.

Depends whether they are people or not

 

[vibise]

The Baby doesnt have cognitive reasoning until about 7 and puberty until about 11. what is your point?

But all babies are independent of the mother at birth. And birth is traditionally the demarcation point that identifies personhood.

 

[Whateverman]

We are standing up for the unborn human and their rights that people in their ignorant prejudice deny rights to.

There are no rights that aren't granted by human beings. Sorry.

You can claim your god grants us rights, but he never protects or enforces those rights - which means they're non-existent.

 

[Yakuda]

correct. A fetus has no level of cognition or independence characteristic of living, breathing people.

Kind of like someone in a coma. I guess we can kill them

 

[vibise]

Depends whether they are people or not

So some pregnant women are not people in your opinion?

 

[BMS]

But all babies are independent of the mother at birth. And birth is traditionally the demarcation point that identifies personhood.

And 11 years old is the usual time of puberty. As I said what is your point?

 

[vibise]

Kind of like someone in a coma. I guess we can kill them

People in a coma with no hope of recovery are generally removed from life support.

 

[vibise]

And 11 years old is the usual time of puberty. As I said what is your point?

Who is talking about puberty except you? How is that relevant to the issue of abortion?

 

[BMS]

So some pregnant women are not people in your opinion?

Some people at foetal stage of their development are not people in your opinion then?

 

[Yakuda]

But all babies are independent of the mother at birth. And birth is traditionally the demarcation point that identifies personhood.

"Personhood" is a nonsensical standard the left has tried to apply to the issue. Humans are entitled to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness and not personhood liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

 

[BMS]

People in a coma with no hope of recovery are generally removed from life support.

And people in the womb who are killed by pro-choice abortion are likely to live, so what is your point

 

[Yakuda]

People in a coma with no hope of recovery are generally removed from life support.

Sometime without knowledge of the persons wishes or family consent. Besides it's just another way of saying abortion.

 

[Yakuda]

And people in the womb who are killed by pro-choice abortion are likely to live, so what is your point

Good point.

 

[Mike McK]

Somebody has to stand up for the unborn children. As we know vibise won't.

Vibise doesn't believe in standing up for mothers, either, as she condemns and disparages the crisis pregnancy movement at every opportunity.

Vibise sees babies as a problem to be solved, not a child to be loved.

Not a nice person, that Vibise.

 

[BMS]

Who is talking about puberty except you? How is that relevant to the issue of abortion?

Who is talking about cognition or independence characteristic of living, breathing people? So what is your point

 

[Faithoverbelief]

No way.

 

[Mike McK]

Right, because to the RW the people that do not matter are pregnant women.

Yeah, darn those RW people who provide healthcare, housing, food, education, clothing, transportation, life skills, childcare to expectant mothers.

Should we all be heartless monsters like you and just solve the problem by killing the baby?

 

[BMS]

No way.

No way what?

 

[Mike McK]

I stand for getting pre- and post-natal care for all pregnant women which would decrease the third-world level of maternal and infant mortality in states like Texas.
Where are the so called "pro-life" people when it comes to infant mortality? If it is not a fetus, they don't care?

In another thread, you mocked us for providing healthcare to poor mothers and their unborn children.

Now, you're mad because you think we don't provide healthcare to them?

Do you know what the Bible says about a double minded person?

 

[vibise]

Some people at foetal stage of their development are not people in your opinion then?

They are not regarded as persons under the law with the rights and privileges assigned to actual living, breathing people.

I think that some consideration should be given to fetuses after viability, but the prime consideration should go to the pregnant woman.